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Tyrone GAA Discussion Thread

JB81

Hi All

Just wondering what people think of the obvious changes that are taking place in the Tyrone set up and how it bodes for the future.
Taking into the account the retirement of double All-Ireland winner Kevin 'Hub' Hughes this week to add to Enda MCGinley, Brian Dooher, Philip Jordan, Ciaran Gourley & Brian McGuigan.

Take these out of the fantastic Triple All-Ireland winning squad and you would be forgiven for thinking its the end of the road. However they have still won and competed well in Minor and U-21 All Ireland in the last few years. so do people think that these youngsters coming in and with the likes of Stephen O'Neill, Owen Mulligan, Sean Kavanagh, Conor Gormley, Ricey McMenamim, McMahon brothers that Tyrone can rise once again?

JB

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Jayop

Bah, same craic again this year in tight games. 8 wides with the wind in a half is shocking.

Jayop

16 men against 14 in the second half so I suppose a draw is OK.

mickmackey1

Dubs were also down to 14 for the last 10 mins after bringing on all their subs

Jayop

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Dubs were also down to 14 for the last 10 mins after bringing on all their subs

The last 5 and extra time. Sadly for them the ref wasn't able to control that aspect of the game.

Dyr

Jayop wrote: »

16 men against 14 in the second half so I suppose a draw is OK.

McQuillan has an amazing knack of convincing both sides that he robbed them

He's a vindictive little clown

Jayop

Bambi wrote: »

McQuillan has an amazing knack of convincing both sides that he robbed them

He's a vindictive little clown

A red that eir couldn't find any incident on the replays of. A dodgy pen, a black card to one side that could have seen several dubs going for the same thing, the equalizer wasn't a free and rock took an earlier one in a full ten yards. Also the time he threw it up after giving a free to colm Cavanagh after the dub wouldn't give the ball back.

Yep, harsh on the dubs.

Dyr

Jayop wrote: »

A red that eir couldn't find any incident on the replays of. A dodgy pen, a black card to one side that could have seen several dubs going for the same thing, the equalizer wasn't a free and rock took an earlier one in a full ten yards. Also the time he threw it up after giving a free to colm Cavanagh after the dub wouldn't give the ball back.

Yep, harsh on the dubs.

I was at the game.. Didnt see any replays. The red was bang on and it was the linesman who gave it. there'd been a shemozzle going on for a good bit and cooper got a wallop in the face at the end of it.

McQuillan was acting the bollix on Cluxtons kickouts all night. At one point there was a tussle and he decided after his usual two minutes of showboating to book a tyrone player, cluxton takes the kickout, and straight away he blows up because he waited until the kick out to book the dublin player too.

I'm not be surprised if Tyrone felt he rode them too. He's a malignant little so and so.

Jayop

Balls, if there was a clear strike that deserved a red then it would have been picked up. All those incidents off the ball are given as a yellow each but not this time.

Regardless of that, the free at the end was an absolute joke but entirely predictable.

Also there was subs coming on that time and he was booking a dub player that ran away so of course he was going to stop play.

Nidgeweasel

Victimisation. Surely not!

Persecution. Surely not!

CONSPIRACY!

Is tin foil hat Mickey speaking to the Meeja yet? It'd be good value tonight if he is. (Only light ribbing Jayop don't take it personally)

On the game, we know Tyrone can do that, and do it brilliantly. All I think it's done is given Dublin a good run early season run out which will give them a boost.

Jayop

It's well established that regardless of how bad the ref is Tyrone fans can't comment without the usual cries of victims.

ammc

Bambi wrote: »

I was at the game.. Didnt see any replays. The red was bang on and it was the linesman who gave it. there'd been a shemozzle going on for a good bit and cooper got a wallop in the face at the end of it.

McQuillan was acting the bollix on Cluxtons kickouts all night. At one point there was a tussle and he decided after his usual two minutes of showboating to book a tyrone player, cluxton takes the kickout, and straight away he blows up because he waited until the kick out to book the dublin player too.

I'm not be surprised if Tyrone felt he rode them too. He's a malignant little so and so.

I was at the game too - it wasn't a shemozzle, Cooper bodychecked Bradley hard off the ball. Cooper should have got blackcard as per rules if not red. Bradley was stupid and reacted by pushing Cooper in the face for which Cooper made a meal of. Cooper incited but got away with it

As for McQuillan pulling back play to book a Dublin player, the Dub ran away before McQuillan could show him the yellow card, that's why he pulled it back. But I definitely didn't think that decision was a game changer

Jayop

The red was the game changer. Simple as.

ammc

Jayop wrote: »

The red was the game changer. Simple as.

McQuillan had a stinker, that's for sure. It's hard enough to beat the Dubs with 15 never mind 14. Bradley was having a really bad night, he missed some easy scores especially the one in the second half from about 20mts out in front of goals. Probably a bit of frustration was why he reacted the way he did.

Though saying that, McShane, McCurry and Bradley were all poor. That's Tyrone's problem in a nutshell, a non-existant full forward line and O'Neill isn't any better either. Until they sort that out, it's always going to be difficult to beat the Dubs, Kerry or Mayo.

But Tyrone have got some really strong runners and McClure is a nice find this season. They tore through Dublin a good few times and were impressive. It would be nice to see Sean Cavanagh stay up full forward and not have to drop and have someone with a bit of legs beside him

ThunbergsAreGo

Jayop wrote: »

Balls, if there was a clear strike that deserved a red then it would have been picked up. All those incidents off the ball are given as a yellow each but not this time.

Regardless of that, the free at the end was an absolute joke but entirely predictable.

Also there was subs coming on that time and he was booking a dub player that ran away so of course he was going to stop play.

Why is a double yellow ok? Or the thing to do? One of the worst things of the gaa

LeoB

Jayop wrote: »

The red was the game changer. Simple as.

You are been very selective on what you see. Tyrone dug their own hole tonight. Should have won but didnt. Simple as. Their fault.

The linesman got that eejet sent off not McQuillan. The reason most people slate you's is you always look for the excuse, the referee, the opposition. Time you looked closer to home. McMahon should have been black carded at least once if not twice. In general the G.A.A public dont like the negativity around their game. Kilkenny had similar dislike of their "style" but at least they mixed it a bit more.

There is no doubt in my mind Tyrone have close to the best group of players in Ireland. The skill set is very high, the panel is very strong. Yet this horrible negative game, pulling and dragging, in your face tactics just doesnt work. I honestly think if Harte concentrated on developing his sides attacking strengths and less of the negative defensive game Tyrone would be more successful. It appears to neutrals whether intended or not the first job is to rile up the opposition. This type of thing can stick to players and follows them around.

This Tyrone squad could win a few All-irelands in coming years but if they play these tactics I hope not. Give me 03' 05 teams anyday or the team a few years 86 earlier with Donaghy, McKenna Lynch, Donnolly' O'Hagan Podge Quinn great side but very unlucky

Jayop

And it appears certain teams fans are blind to them doing the very same. Easy target and an excuse for playing **** and needing the ref to dig you out. Tyrone kicked a lot of wides, I said that at half time in this thread, and like I've said we need to always tag over 3 extra points to account for the ref when we play a big side like Kerry or Dublin. Had we kicked our scores then McQuillen screwing us wouldn't have mattered.

ammc

LeoB wrote: »

You are been very selective on what you see. Tyrone dug their own hole tonight. Should have won but didnt. Simple as. Their fault.

The linesman got that eejet sent off not McQuillan. The reason most people slate you's is you always look for the excuse, the referee, the opposition. Time you looked closer to home. McMahon should have been black carded at least once if not twice. In general the G.A.A public dont like the negativity around their game. Kilkenny had similar dislike of their "style" but at least they mixed it a bit more.

There is no doubt in my mind Tyrone have close to the best group of players in Ireland. The skill set is very high, the panel is very strong. Yet this horrible negative game, pulling and dragging, in your face tactics just doesnt work. I honestly think if Harte concentrated on developing his sides attacking strengths and less of the negative defensive game Tyrone would be more successful. It appears to neutrals whether intended or not the first job is to rile up the opposition. This type of thing can stick to players and follows them around.

This Tyrone squad could win a few All-irelands in coming years but if they play these tactics I hope not. Give me 03' 05 teams anyday or the team a few years 86 earlier with Donaghy, McKenna Lynch, Donnolly' O'Hagan Podge Quinn great side but very unlucky

Be Jaybus Leo, what would you be like if Dublin had lost!

And on the subject of looking closer to home, if you had of been looking closely at the game tonight and I'm sure you were, you would have noticed Dublin had 14 players in their own half alot of times in the game. And not just this game but many games last year too. As the saying goes 'if you have a reputation of getting up early you can get away with lying in bed all day'. It strikes me you're a bit selective yourself. James Mc Carthy is not shy about sticking his oar into things when he should be concentrating on his own game and Johnny Cooper tonight was a disgrace by your standards. But then again you only hold these high standards for other teams.

But you're right, throw enough muck and players will get a bad name - how's Philly McMahon doing these days?

Stoner

ammc wrote:

But you're right, throw enough muck and players will get a bad name - how's Philly McMahon doing these days?

He's doing fine, hasn't broken anyone's ankle on the field of play to the best of my knowledge.

Jayop

And a standard nice touch from the blue army booing free takers.

Stoner

I was hoping Jayop that we'd learn something from our quiet respectful Tyrone brothers, but it seems we are incapable of same.

Would you have taken a draw before the game,

Though the Dubs were lucky to get one in the end

Jayop

Stoner wrote: »

I was hoping Jayop that we'd learn something from our quiet respectful Tyrone brothers, but it seems we are incapable of same.

Would you have taken a draw before the game,

Though the Dubs were lucky to get one in the end

The only game I've ever heard Tyrone fans boo a free taker is the Dublin game and only ever after our own has been booed a few times first. Imo it's the worst of soccer fan crap that you see at games.

I thought we'd lose by quite a bit before the game and never really believed during the game we'd win either. Knew McQuillen would do what was needed be it a soft free (happened) a soft red (happened) a soft pen (happened) or a soft black (happened) to ensure we wouldn't get out with the win.

But I suppose he made cluxton retake a kick out twice so it all balanced out.

That_Guy

Jayop wrote: »

And a standard nice touch from the blue army booing free takers.

Are you not allowed to boo at games when an opposition player is trying to score against you? It's not rugby FFS.

Nonsense point.

But you know, keep the jibes coming. It's kinda funny at this stage.

Jayop

That_Guy wrote: »

Are you not allowed to boo at games when an opposition player is trying to score against you? It's not rugby FFS.

Nonsense point.

But you know, keep the jibes coming. It's kinda funny at this stage.

Booing a free takers is pathetic and only happens when the dubs are playing afaic.

Booing amateur players for any reason is pathetic but especially at frees.

That_Guy

Jayop wrote: »

Booing a free takers is pathetic and only happens when the dubs are playing afaic.

Booing amateur players for any reason is pathetic but especially at frees.

There was a few in Cavan booing Dean Rock last weekend where I was standing.

Amateur or no, it's a competitive game and last night was a tight game.

Is there any difference in people booing Donaghy, Keegan, Connolly when their name is announced in the starting line ups for their respective counties? Not at all.

It's part of the game. Whether you choose to participate in such acts is up to you. It doesn't bother me at all. I'm not sure why it would to anybody but each to their own I guess.

Nidgeweasel

Jayop wrote: »

Booing a free takers is pathetic and only happens when the dubs are playing afaic.

Booing amateur players for any reason is pathetic but especially at frees.

Ah now come on it happens everywhere.

Murphy's free in the Ulster final very late on.... hardly silence was it!

Jayop

That_Guy wrote: »

There was a few in Cavan booing Dean Rock last weekend where I was standing.

Amateur or no, it's a competitive game and last night was a tight game.

Is there any difference in people booing Donaghy, Keegan, Connolly when their name is announced in the starting line ups for their respective counties? Not at all.

It's part of the game. Whether you choose to participate in such acts is up to you. It doesn't bother me at all. I'm not sure why it would to anybody but each to their own I guess.

No, no difference at all. It's scummy behavior regardless of who's doing it and why.

ammc

That_Guy wrote: »

It's part of the game. .

I agree, every supporter will try to do their bit for their team. That's why they boo the free taker or question every decision the ref makes whether it right or wrong.

They might be amateur players but they should still have a bit of bottle about them. They never put Peter Canavan off and Dean Rock, Cluxton, Cooper and Bryan Sheehan are all immense under pressure.

Last night Colm Cavanagh had the ball on the 45 and played it into his brother Sean who was standing on the 14mtr line. The Dub defender was just short of a saddle and was piggy backing Sean. Bizarrely, McQuillan gave the free on the 45 for something I didn't see. The point I'm making is that from that free Tyrone played the ball back ways and got nothing out of it when it should have been within kicking distance.

Tyrone don't have a free taker and anyone who does take them, doesn't have the bottle. It was noticable, Morgan never looked to take one especially that one on the 45.

Don't get me wrong, alot of strong positives to take out of the game last night and Tyrone are not far away but you have to take your chances and with frees their is no direct pressure on the taker. It's about strength of mind

Bonniedog

Jayop, I don't think either team can say ref did them over.

We got some soft ones, no doubt and black card was undeserved.

On other hand, McMahon was blessed not to walk. 3/4 of his tackles were what the BC was brought in for!

Reflecting on it, last night reminded me a bit of Omagh 2006. Two teams likely to face one another in August or September doing a bit of sorting out.

No harm in that. No-one died and it was great entertainment, as almost it always is when Dubs and Tyrone meet.

Have a feeling it will be the match up of the year. More to come!

Jayop

That's nonsense tbh. The red by all accounts was for next to nothing, the penalty was soft, the black was soft and the application of frees was a joke especially the one that got you the equalizer. I get that I'm outnumbered here by hundreds to one on Boards and any time I complain about anything it's the usual bull****ting response about Tyrone crying conspiracy and the likes but I don't care.

Even parking everything else like Dublin players not getting blacks when doing the same as McCann (clearly a marked man for refs) the free at the end cost us the win and it was never a free.

If you think a few times asking cluxton to retake a kick out because one of his own players wouldn't come to the ref or a few maybe fouls that you think McMahon should have been booked for are comparable then that's your prerogative.

Edit: and McMahon getting a black wouldn't have hurt nearly as much as McCann.

Jayop

Just watching it again on tg4 now. That black was even softer than I thought. Joke of a decision.