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Who asked the British to 'protect' our airspace from the Russians or anyone else ?

Stars and Stripes

Seen an article today in the Indo. Now being the Indo you have to take any security or crime reports with a pinch of salt as it's quotes as usual from anonymous 'sources'. But if true it occurred to me - who ever asked the Brits to mind our air space ? Is it up to them if say, a French or Swedish or American or Russian fighter plane were in our air space ? Or is it just the Indo been the Indo

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/royal-air-force-jets-scramble-to-intercept-russian-bombers-circling-uk-and-ireland-35437672.html

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realdanbreen

I wonder should we set up an enquiry and get some retired judge to investigate why Britain is protecting our airspace? We seem to do it for everything else!

Stars and Stripes

Harry Palmr wrote: »

da British are protecting Irish airspace in the same way da Brits are informing Irish weather forecasts - as part of a network of competent providers using technology beyond what met.ie can afford to buy (or even use in the case of Jet fighters).

Ireland is a member of EUMETSAT along with 30 other European states, passing information between neighbors on the weather is one thing, inviting yourself in to someone else's air space is another. So it's not the Brits finding out the weather for everyone else or something, although we do know they like to think of themselves as the center of the world

DEFTLEFTHAND

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Does the fact that we're neutral not protect it ? If you don't pose a threat to someone else they tend to leave you alone, hence why this state hasn't been at war with anyone since it was founded.

We're of strategic importance to Britain. They'll always have to watch our back to watch their own.

Take WW2 for instance, if there was even a hint that the Nazis were going to invade Ireland for use as a springboard to attack Britain, they (Britain) would have invaded us and taken over the country in less than 48 hours.

Stars and Stripes

Falthyron wrote: »

You think we are neutral?

Cute.

Well let me know when we became members of NATO and joined in the war in WW2 then so

Harry Palmr

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Ireland is a member of EUMETSAT along with 30 other European states, passing information between neighbors on the weather is one thing, inviting yourself in to someone else's air space is another. So it's not the Brits finding out the weather for everyone else or something, although we do know they like to think of themselves as the center of the world

and I did say part of a network (RTFM)

EverythingGood

You don't have to have fought in WW11 or be in NATO not to be neutral.

FrancieBrady

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Ireland is a member of EUMETSAT along with 30 other European states, passing information between neighbors on the weather is one thing, inviting yourself in to someone else's air space is another. So it's not the Brits finding out the weather for everyone else or something, although we do know they like to think of themselves as the center of the world

It was our forecasts in WW2 that helped them win it.

darkpagandeath

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Well let me know when we became members of NATO and joined in the war in WW2 then so

The first RAF bomber pilot to be shot down and killed in 1939 was Willie Murphy from Cork :pac:

corner of hells

The_Valeyard wrote: »

What's the problem

1. Have the Russians land at shannon

2. Charge for fuel

3. Profit.

Maybe make dem park der planes beside the 'merican planes.

wes

pawrick wrote: »

Being neutral didn't help Belgium in WW1 or many other countries when they were in the way or had useful resources in times of war.

True, our location protects us more than anything. The US and the Brits won't let anyone else take Ireland, as then people could then get at them easier.

topper75

We are watching them boyos.

We always have been.

http://www.skibbereeneagle.ie/uncategorized/the-story-of-the-skibbereen-eagle/

Stars and Stripes

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We're of strategic importance to Britain. They'll always have to watch our back to watch their own.

Take WW2 for instance, if there was even a hint that the Nazis were going to invade Ireland for use as a springboard to attack Britain, they (Britain) would have invaded us and taken over the country in less than 48 hours.

And the British and French were going to beat the Nazi's in no time and the war would be over by Xmas

Funny enough Adolf invaded a few smaller countries such as Greece, Yugoslavia etc and it took a lot more than 48 hours. Sure that war criminal Churchill could have resurrected the Black and Tans to put some manners on Paddy

, only problem was, with a British invasion the German's might have took the chance to give the British a good ar$e kicking again like they did in Norway.

darkpagandeath

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

And the British and French were going to beat the Nazi's in no time and the war would be over by Xmas Funny enough Adolf invaded a few smaller countries such as Greece, Yugoslavia etc and it took a lot more than 48 hours. Sure that war criminal Churchill could have resurrected the Black and Tans to put some manners on Paddy .......

1 out of 10. Tell us what military counter Ireland would have had ? Everyone got a gun under the bed ?

cnocbui

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

So your telling me the RoI is a member of NATO and was not neutral in WW2 .....

So a ratio of Irish people joining the German Army vs those joining the British Army in WW2 of 1:10,000 is neutral, is it?

Stars and Stripes

darkpagandeath wrote: »

The first RAF bomber pilot to be shot down and killed in 1939 was Willie Murphy from Cork :pac:

So what, that's his tough luck, the Irish govt didn't ask him to join the RAF or something

A Little Pony

You should be thankful.

[Deleted User]

We do like to call ourselves neutral and take the high moral ground in all these debates.

Its only possible because we are on an island in the middle of the atlantic, not in a position like Poland jammed between Germany + USSR during WW2. Anyone trying to get to us needed to go through Britain first.

In ww2 we stayed happily neutral as Germany shipped the jews off to the gas chambers and rolled its tanks into Belgium, Holland, France etc etc

[Deleted User]

And who protects our airspace from the Brits? :pac:

cnocbui

riffmongous wrote: »

And who protects our airspace from the Brits? :pac:

Ryanair

darkpagandeath

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

So what, that's his tough luck, the Irish govt didn't ask him to join the RAF or something

Nobody said they did. Does one have a problem with the Irish that went to fight in the Spanish civil war too ?

Stars and Stripes

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and I did say part of a network (RTFM)

" using technology beyond what met.ie can afford to buy " You'd find much of that technology is actually made in Ireland by Intel etc. And probably since we make that technology Met Eireann is more than up to date with necessary infrastructure to be compliant as a member of EUMETSAT.

realdanbreen

riffmongous wrote: »

And who protects our airspace from the Brits? :pac:

Well I think I saw a picture of Willie O'Dea with a gun one time, maybe Willie is protecting it.

[Deleted User]

Stars and Stripes wrote:

Seen an article today in the Indo. Now being the Indo you have to take any security or crime reports with a pinch of salt as it's quotes as usual from anonymous 'sources'. But if true it occurred to me - who ever asked the Brits to mind our air space ? Is it up to them if say, a French or Swedish or American or Russian fighter plane were in our air space ? Or is it just the Indo been the Indo

It's not unheard off for the RAF to scramble fighter jets in our defence. There was one in the last 2 years or so. British jets escorted Russian (if I remember correctly) jets out of our air space.
We've never been a neutral country despite what we claim. I'm pretty sure that German prisoners of war were detained here while we sent any British home to fight again. We also have American plains refuelling here

Stars and Stripes

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

We do like to call ourselves neutral and take the high moral ground in all these debates.

Its only possible because we are on an island in the middle of the atlantic, not in a position like Poland jammed between Germany + USSR during WW2. Anyone trying to get to us needed to go through Britain first.

In ww2 we stayed happily neutral as Germany shipped the jews off to the gas chambers and rolled its tanks into Belgium, Holland, France etc etc

And rightly so. The whole "saving the Jews from gas chambers" bit only became the crusade as Germany collapsed in the last few months of the war as the concentration camps were shown. And Switzerland is jammed in the middle of Europe and remains neutral like us too.

AnGaelach

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Does the fact that we're neutral not protect it ? If you don't pose a threat to someone else they tend to leave you alone, hence why this state hasn't been at war with anyone since it was founded.

Yeah, Belgium totally didn't get invaded in World War One since they were neutral. Neutrality totally protected Iran and Iceland from the British in the Second World War.

The reason this State hasn't been at war with anyone since it was founded is because we didn't want to follow England into the Second World War like a lackey, and because we didn't want to join NATO until we got the North back. We did offer a bilateral alliance to the US instead of joining NATO.

The only countries who successfully maintain independence are the ones who maintain their own arsenal to protect themselves - that's what the Swiss do, that's what the Swedes have done.

Neutrality in and of itself isn't a shield or anything of the sort.

granturismo

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

And rightly so. The whole "saving the Jews from gas chambers" bit only became the crusade as Germany collapsed in the last few months of the war as the concentration camps were shown...

The Allies were aware of the concentration camps and wholesale extermination in Eastern Europe from at least 1940 onwards - look up Trent Park, the British kept German officer POWs here in relative luxury and had hidden recorders taping all their conversations. They discussed their part in or witnessing death squads, wholesale murdering civilians en masse and transport to the concentration camps.

Stars and Stripes

AnGaelach wrote: »

Yeah, Belgium totally didn't get invaded in World War One since they were neutral. Neutrality totally protected Iran and Iceland from the British in the Second World War.

The reason this State hasn't been at war with anyone since it was founded is because we didn't want to follow England into the Second World War like a lackey, and because we didn't want to join NATO until we got the North back. We did offer a bilateral alliance to the US instead of joining NATO.

The only countries who successfully maintain independence are the ones who maintain their own arsenal to protect themselves - that's what the Swiss do, that's what the Swedes have done.

Neutrality in and of itself isn't a shield or anything of the sort.

Many other countries still maintained their neutrality such as Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal and Ireland of course etc Oh so according to you Ireland didn't maintain it's independence in WW2 like the Swiss and Swedes

aujopimur

Time to put the Garda helicopter into use.

Gatling

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Does the fact that we're neutral not protect it ?

We're about as neutral as the next ,

DanielODonnell

I don't believe air space should belong to any government, next governments will be picking what stars they want