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"Over 1m viewers could have access cut over illegal streaming"

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The Commercial Court was told yesterday that as many as 1.3 million people in the State may be involved in illegally accessing the work of six film and TV studios through various streaming websites.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/over-1m-viewers-could-have-access-cut-over-illegal-streaming-1.2965805

Six US movie studios are taking Irish internet providers to court to force them to block illegal streaming websites. Fair enough but 1.3million is nearly a quarter of the population. Seems like a lot of people. Helluva attention grabbing headline.

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Capt'n Midnight

wakka12 wrote: »

Why is this just about Ireland I don't get it? Is ireland illegally streaming at a disproportionately high level? Im sure tens of millions of british people download movies online illegally

Stats abound on Peer to Peer traffic collapsing whenever Netflix opens up in a new market are out there.

Another factor to consider that in Ireland a lot of people don't even buy TV licenses, yet despite that most people already pay SKY/Virgin/Netflix so paying for content is not an issue. So it's likely to be an issue of availability or price.

BunkMoreland

silverharp wrote: »

dvd? cute , this isn't the retro forum :pac:

My colleague in work is always offering to bring me in DVDs of **** movies he likes. The only thing I have for DVDs is an external DVD drive I haven't used for years. It would take me an age set it all up so that I could watch the DVD on the TV, compared to seconds finding it on Netflix, Amazon Prime or downloading it.

I keep trying to explain this to him but he's just too stupid to understand.

jackinthemix94

Some people on this thread are behaving as though entertainment content is a god given right and that they should have access to it and that it's perfectly fine to stream or use kodi or anything else.

it is against the law

Rationalize it all you like but you're breaking the law and these companies have the legal right, and some would say an obligation to shareholders, to start to crack down on people who consistently engage in copyright infringement.

Just because something isn't available here doesn't mean it's acceptable to illegal download or stream it either.

If you don't want to pay for it, don't watch it. Go for a walk or something, I don't know.

Yourself isit

ThisRegard wrote: »

Yeah, but I think it's a different scenario though than movie rights spread across the different providers.

It isn't just movies. People are taking about TV shows but those TV shows are often produced by competitors of Internet content providers like netflix. Or first broadcast, with rights, by their competitors. If you want the Grand Tour then you need amazon. If you want the mindy project then you need hulu.

As for movies iTunes has most things. And you can rent older movies cheaply. But that doesn't discourage streaming because what streamers want is new stuff for free.

Yourself isit

WoolyJumper wrote: »

This is probably the one little win the ordinary person has over billion dollar industries....even at that movies still make hundreds of millions of dollars.

I know, right? Providing goods that people still pay for at a profit? Scoundrels.

ThisRegard

Yeah, but I think it's a different scenario though than movie rights spread across the different providers.

VinLieger

ThisRegard wrote: »

It's my point, and they have no reason to. They make TV and provide a service to the UK licence payer. They've no obligation to make it accessible to anyone outside the UK.

Except making money? The BBC bidget is getting gutted by the tories, i never said they had an obligation just that theres many people sround the world who would be willing to pay them for such a service and they do need the revenue

WoolyJumper

This is probably the one little win the ordinary person has over billion dollar industries....even at that movies still make hundreds of millions of dollars.

ThisRegard

VinLieger wrote: »

There is no sign of them doing so

It's my point, and they have no reason to. They make TV and provide a service to the UK licence payer. They've no obligation to make it accessible to anyone outside the UK.

Ubbquittious

Will they ever just feck off with their blocking and their cutting off and their DRM? Will the music and film lobby groups please just go away and die.

VinLieger

Skerries wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

That presentstion is always a great example to prove how bonkers the industry estimates of lost revenue are

deco nate

Skerries wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

Saw that when it came out, a great watch!

Skerries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

deco nate

wakka12 wrote: »

Why is this just about Ireland I don't get it? Is ireland illegally streaming at a disproportionately high level? Im sure tens of millions of british people download movies online illegally

It's happening in England too

dmc17

I signed up to Amazon Prime Video the other day after hearing that they had added a show that I wanted to watch.

Aaaand...guess what? You're not allowed to watch it outside the US :rolleyes:

So I immediately cancelled my membership and won't be providing them any more of my money.

Now I'll just have to look elsewhere for it

VinLieger

ThisRegard wrote: »

So let them set up a subscription model.

There is no sign of them doing so

VinLieger

ThisRegard wrote: »

Why should it happen at all?

I could access it by paying a tv subscription and would happily pay for access to the iplayer as i dont currently have one and dont intend on getting one ever again.

So once again now i just pirate their shows or use a vpn to access iplayer although they seem to have clamped down on that recently, but i would be willing to pay for access to iplayer on demand cus they make damn good tv, i just dont wanna have to pay for sky or virgin and be lumbered with all the other crap i dont want to pay for.

Wang Kerr

ThisRegard wrote: »

So let them set up a subscription model.

Why?

ThisRegard

Wang Kerr wrote: »

English people abroad may like to use it ?

So let them set up a subscription model.

ThisRegard

Atomicjuicer0 wrote: »

Spotify is a ripoff though. Who the hell thought 10quid a month was fair for a regular user? They need to offer different models for people who don't use it as heavily.

10 a month is exceptional value, that can't be argued against. I would previously have spend 5 or 6 times that a month on music.

Wang Kerr

ThisRegard wrote: »

Why should it happen at all?

English people abroad may like to use it ?

ThisRegard

Banjoxed wrote: »

No legit means of access to the BBC iPlayer yet either. That's not going to happen soon either.

Why should it happen at all?

wakka12

Why is this just about Ireland I don't get it? Is ireland illegally streaming at a disproportionately high level? Im sure tens of millions of british people download movies online illegally

ThisRegard

mikhail wrote: »

. I say we enforce their rights only after we cut the term of copyright on entertainment media to five years.

So everything should be free after 5 years? Is this a generational thing in which people of a certain age expect, and feel entitled to, certain forms of media for free?

VinLieger

Atomicjuicer0 wrote: »

I've watched video games survive because their anti piracy measures are better.

Well thats complete bullsh1t, ever heard of the witcher 3? The developers made a concious decision to put no anti piracy in it whatsoever...... It SOLD 10 million copies. Verifiable evidence that content matters and people will pay for it if its good.

Theres other incidents of developers actually uploading their own cracked torrents of their games on sites and selling more copies as a result

Games that use denuvo are actually making themselves more of a target.

Basically your talking out of your ass on this and the rest of your post

scamalert

lawred2 wrote: »

well they could rework their plugin model to only run approved plugins if they wanted to

prob would take an hour for experienced programmer to either break it open and allow plugins or just revert to older version and keep pushing them out,since kodi is open source thus easily modified by those who are in the field.

As someone mentioned better aproach would be centralized platform,since used to download games music for decades,but with steam rolling strong you get deals community and access to all contents be it eu asia or us,all happens at same time.music while used to have thousands songs ,now its easier just to go to youtube and make playlist,annoying adds aside its convenient plenty to choose from,and free.

but film studios seem to think that whatever crap they push out its like old times people will wait until content is released when waiting 6-12 months on most tv shows,when internet is at this stage ,and takes less then half and hour to get latest show from anywhere defeats purpose in buying any bundles or set's when whole story line by the time is released here everyone has seen it or knows it.Amazon is moving right direction where they release full episodes,but trouble is all these companies compete with each other rather then unifying into single,thus one show on one company another on netflix and click away kodi has all.

Capt'n Midnight

lawred2 wrote: »

well they could rework their plugin model to only run approved plugins if they wanted to

They could $ell it too using a typical Commercial End Looser License Agreement.

But somehow I don't seen the media rights holders offering to compensate them for the work.

Anyway since it's open source anyone competent could release a version that used plugin's

Wanderer78

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Capt'n Midnight

Atomicjuicer0 wrote: »

Stop stealing, start paying. Stop making excuses and expecting the rest of us to pay to keep video alive.

Yeah the movies the last 10-15 years have gone to crap. Hmm what does that coincide with? Oh yeah... Internet use.

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Movies are dead and it's because people are stealing.

All of the top 43 most expensive films except Titanic were made in the last 10-15 years.
So Hollywood is throwing money at the screen, but it isn't sticking. The only non-animated one that isn't a sequel or reboot or adaptation of a very very successful (comic) book was 2012.

If you want repeat viewing of a film make a good one. If it's "save the cat" plot by numbers beat-sheet formula then it's not going to stand out.

(if you factor in inflation it's 51 out of the top 59 movies that were made in the last 10-15 years)

If movies were dead Hollywood wouldn't spend so much money would they ?
Another factor is that TV has upped it's game in the last 10-15 years.

Sill have to get through a mound of DVD's and loads of recordings on the Freesat box.

mikhail

Atomicjuicer0 wrote: »

Yeah the movies the last 10-15 years have gone to crap. Hmm what does that coincide with? Oh yeah... Internet use.

They really haven't. There's little that annoys me as much as golden age fallacies.

You can buy an Xbox 360 for 50 quid, it has Xbox movie rentals, it has Netflix I bet none of the whiners in this thread have ever paid a tv license either but complain about fake news on Facebook.

I'd bet most of the posters on this thread have a Netflix account. They have hundreds of thousands of subscribers in this country.

But keep stabbing that straw man. I bet he'll fold any minute.