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The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

carsfan

Any body with either of these able to advise on what the real world economy is of these?
There is not much between them in purchase price.
The gtd 625 euro more.
I do 25000km a year and really would prefer the gti but my head tells me the gtd is what I should be looking at.
I've only driven the gti and found it very entertaining.
Dealer says resale is the same for both of them. There is only 90 euro difference in road tax and insurance the same so fuel costs are the main financial difference.

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JoeA3

digiman wrote: »

Prices in images for new Golfs

Interesting, Thanks for posting. Any link to a product guide yet?

I see there's no PP GTI listed (yet) and the manual R is in a higher tax band than the DSG. WTF! Possibly because the DSG has the 7th cog now.

digiman

Prices and product guides attached

JoeA3

Neilw wrote: »

Exactly, when I was shopping around I was told the same, don't buy this, that isn't worth it. Feck off, I'll buy exactly what I want lol.

"What does this fella want a white 3 door hatchback for FFS

"

To play devils advocate, the salesmen are more used to dealing with punters coming in who don't know what they want, who don't know one end of a car from another... so they have it ingrained in them to steer the customer away from buying something totally unsuitable and un-saleable 3 years down the road.

That said, they should also recognise when they have a well clued in customer in front of them too. Some of them do to be fair.

kooga

Clem H Fandango wrote: »

There seems to be a few irish prices mentioned in a review here:
http://www.completecar.ie/car-reviews/article/Volkswagen/Golf/Golf_1.5_TSI/1128/6863/2017-Volkswagen-Golf-1.5-TSI-review.html

Comfortline: €23,795
Highline: €26,295

In the UK there is no sign of the 1.5tsi engine in the initial model line up

Neilw

Micky 32 wrote: »

One of my pet peeves about salesmen. " Ah what do you need that for, what do you need this for blah blah " When i go to order a car i know exactly what i want not what the salesman wants :rolleyes:

Exactly, when I was shopping around I was told the same, don't buy this, that isn't worth it. Feck off, I'll buy exactly what I want lol.

Clem H Fandango

There seems to be a few irish prices mentioned in a review here:
http://www.completecar.ie/car-reviews/article/Volkswagen/Golf/Golf_1.5_TSI/1128/6863/2017-Volkswagen-Golf-1.5-TSI-review.html

Comfortline: €23,795
Highline: €26,295

Micky 32

everlast75 wrote: »

I went to see the guy. Didn't like him - came across as if he thought he knew best what I wanted.

One of my pet peeves about salesmen. " Ah what do you need that for, what do you need this for blah blah " When i go to order a car i know exactly what i want not what the salesman wants :rolleyes:

vintagevrs

dar83

JoeA3 wrote: »

That dealer always seems to take pictures of his stock with the car positioned in exactly the same place. So maybe it was a different R

Well it was a manual 151 in white...

Could have been a different one I guess.

everlast75

JoeA3 wrote: »

That dealer always seems to take pictures of his stock with the car positioned in exactly the same place. So maybe it was a different R

Spot on - he does. But I'm sure it's been there a while. They had 2 white ones in fact.

I went to see the guy. Didn't like him - came across as if he thought he knew best what I wanted.

JoeA3

dar83 wrote: »

That R as been up for sale for ages, potentially even as far back as when I bought my own GTI as I remember the pictures.

Looks like it's being used as the owner/salesmans car but is also able to be nabbed at the right price. Nearly sure when I last looked it had in or around 10k on the clock.

That dealer always seems to take pictures of his stock with the car positioned in exactly the same place. So maybe it was a different R

dar83

That R as been up for sale for ages, potentially even as far back as when I bought my own GTI as I remember the pictures.

Looks like it's being used as the owner/salesmans car but is also able to be nabbed at the right price. Nearly sure when I last looked it had in or around 10k on the clock.

vintagevrs

This would probably make more sense than the Seat. It's further down the depreciation curve but still pretty fresh.

I just found this vehicle on Carzone.ie http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2015-151-983571983515-dublin-fpa-2217762057154343411

GustavoFring

If you're contemplating the Cupra route see what you can get a new one for. I was offered one during the summer at a ridiculous discount. Was doing 1k a week then so couldn't bring myself to do it. But with the facelift coming soon there's going to be ones they need to shift. Might be a lower APR rate on a fresh reg.

They're not that bad for getting the power down but on a damp road they'll still struggle at times. Was much better behaved than I thought though. The big thing for me would be the interior. If it was against anything else in the class you'd think it's decent (did 60k in that shape FR and had little to complain about) but the Golf has the nicer interior. There's going to be little things that will constantly nag at you. Build is fine but some of the materials low down are a bit nasty and other parts can look a little unfinished. Less sound deadening too.

JoeA3

carsfan2 wrote: »

Are the prices out for the facelift gti yet?
Dealers might give you a better deal for your own versus a new car. The Apr is often lower too and dealer has some margin on the new car.
Not to mention it will be 171 and full warranty etc.
Also will be a better car for resale.
I would attempt to get a deal on the facelift gti over the Seat if I was you.

They opened for ordering in the UK last week so I expect they are available to order here too or very soon will be. Haven't seen anything re specs or pricing for here yet though.

carsfan2

Are the prices out for the facelift gti yet?
Dealers might give you a better deal for your own versus a new car. The Apr is often lower too and dealer has some margin on the new car.
Not to mention it will be 171 and full warranty etc.
Also will be a better car for resale.
I would attempt to get a deal on the facelift gti over the Seat if I was you.

bazz26

They upgraded those Cupras from 280bhp to 290bhp about a year ago afaik, think they also tweaked the suspension/chassis.

JoeA3

Interesting thing I've noticed myself RE tyre wear.... the R seems to be far less hard on tyres than my GTI was. I was expecting the opposite. Still loads of tread on my fronts with nearly 20k kms.

everlast75

vintagevrs wrote: »

First thing I would say is go test drive the Seat, as only you will know if you like it. I would probably try and do that in the wet too, as I would be interested to know how comfortable it is under hard acceleration when it is wet as it usually is in Ireland as it's basically a FWD Golf R. In fairness, I believe the Cupra might get the proper LSD that comes in the GTI PP that the R doesn't have so maybe putting the power down isn't an issue if you have decent tyres.

What's the main reason for wanting to change?

I test drove it today. In terms of performance, there is nothing lacking. The front tyres did struggle for grip when the foot was planted. I test drove an ST-3 two weeks ago and it was the same.

In terms of trim, the GTi is more expensive looking.

The reason for change is I wanted a GTi but for some reason got the GTD, and as I mentioned above, regretted it to a large or small degree ever since.

carsfan2

Have you driven the car and been offered 27k for your own?
I'm sure the Seat is a lovely car but you may find the depreciation even harder to stomach than you already have on the gtd. the interior is a lot more low rent than the gtd.
I remember when I bought my gti the dealer who also sells Seat had a Cupra too. He told me if I had bought one it would be worth significantly less than the golf in a couple of years.
You may find yourself going through a lot of tyres too with that much power through the front wheels.

JoeA3

It's 280 or 290bhp they have right? As above, I'd say try a test drive in it, preferably on a wet day! It's a lot of power going through the front wheels... if you have experienced wheel hop/tramping in the GTD, the Seat will be much more prone to it I expect... although decent tyres should help.

The interior and tech isn't up to VW either if that's something that'd bother you.

Residuals tend to be shocking with Seats too but if you're buying used that isn't as big an issue.

vintagevrs

First thing I would say is go test drive the Seat, as only you will know if you like it. I would probably try and do that in the wet too, as I would be interested to know how comfortable it is under hard acceleration when it is wet as it usually is in Ireland as it's basically a FWD Golf R. In fairness, I believe the Cupra might get the proper LSD that comes in the GTI PP that the R doesn't have so maybe putting the power down isn't an issue if you have decent tyres.

What's the main reason for wanting to change?

everlast75

Following on from the post above, I was looking around for an alternative to the GTi. This is my car..

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2015-151-983571983515-louth-fpa-338563252872255154

As an alternative, I found the following;

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/seat/leon/used-2016-161-seat-leon-5d-2-0tsi-280-dublin-fpa-286686347479232668

Now, I know Seat would be below VW as a brand, but for an extra 40 per month, with a trade in offer of €27k for mine, I could go from my 151 GTD manual 184 bhp to this 161 petrol DSG 250 bhp.

General comments and opinions would be appreciated

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

I really love the headlights. They look superb!

vintagevrs

I don't think the trade in value is influenced at all by how the car was paid for originally.

carsfan2

first drive of refreshed gti

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/golf-gti/first-drives/2017-volkswagen-golf-gti-review

re. depreciation on the performance golfs, I think they are a victim of their own success now they are a lot more plentiful and almost mainstream. When they were more rare they were able to command higher asking prices.
I actually think 15k depreciation in two years on a 40 grand car is a tad high. Would have expected about 12k.
Why not wait for new gti pp.You might get better deal and definitely better apr.

JoeA3

tippman1 wrote: »

I think they're not as ugly as the Clubsport wheels, but they're not great either imho. I think VW have lost their way with designing tasteful alloys for the Golf in recent years, with the notable exception of the Pretorias.

Clubsport wheels:

Those are the 19" "brescaria" option on the Clubsport and it looks like they'll be optional on the FL GTI too. They're better than the 18's but having seen them in the flesh on a Clubsport I wasn't mad on them either.

The pretorias are in a different league.

Comhrá

JoeA3 wrote: »

The new GTI wheels are hideous. Straight off a Nissan Quasqai or Hyundai Whatever. It means upgrading to 19's has become essential...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZeSSGvbbPE

I think they're not as ugly as the Clubsport wheels, but they're not great either imho. I think VW have lost their way with designing tasteful alloys for the Golf in recent years, with the notable exception of the Pretorias.

Clubsport wheels:

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2fWOItjvTAT--d74TTlk11Oo9Mi60RAd3KxKgJRpCXxk4I_nB

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2fWOItjvTAT--d74TTlk11Oo9Mi60RAd3KxKgJRpCXxk4I_nB

JoeA3

The new GTI wheels are hideous. Straight off a Nissan Quasqai or Hyundai Whatever. It means upgrading to 19's has become essential...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZeSSGvbbPE

MidMan25

bazz26 wrote: »

GFV is the lump sum you owe at the end of year 3 of the PCP deal, it's not the market value of the car at that time.

It's not but he's saying that the guaranteed future value influences what they'll offer you.