MayoAreMagic wrote: » So a win is of great benefit, but a loss is irrelevant... Surely the teams we beat can say the loss is irrelevant also, while the teams who beat us can argue it was of great benefit too... :rolleyes: Who is right? You can lose league games and then in your head be ready come the business end, while convincing yourself the opponents peaked too early. You win and that becomes the truth. Or you can win the league games and then lose later in the year, with the narrative being that you peaked too soon - even if you lost to a dodgey penalty or something like that. It is all how it is framed. The reality is winning/losing league games doesn't matter at the end of the season. If you are ready at the business end, maybe get a bit of luck along the way and win the thing, then all that hindsight narrative sh*te writes itself in the off season.Back in the real world, a game that occurred 7 months previous, with different players at different fitness levels and different weather conditions has little bearing on the result. Spin it 100 different ways if you like, but that is the bottom line.
rocketfingers wrote: » Beating teams like Kerry and Dublin in their own back yards in the league is of great benifit,losing to the likes of Monaghan or even to Roscommon is irrelevant to the mind set of this Mayo team. Mayo players cannot have any doubts or fear when playing the big guns in big championship games. Apologies to any Tyrone supporters ,ye are contenders but you get my drift.
superbluedub wrote: » Maybe just maybe you should care what other teams are doing !! something needs to change to win that illusive sam.
Suarezistheman wrote: » Is the match live on Eir the weekend?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » So you agree that we should judge the thing on it's own merits, yet ask me why we aren't doing what Dublin and Kerry are doing? That isn't judging the thing on it's own merits, that is judging ourselves on someone else's criteria. Dublin can field two teams so obviously they can afford to go after the league, while Kerry are blooding a lot of young lads at the minute, who need experience. However, I would argue they generally don't start taking it more seriously until later in the league season, and even at that, I don't believe they are all that bothered as long as they get up and running and maybe try a few things out. Mayo have a quite established squad, their senior guys have a lot of football played over the last few years, winning the league isn't a big concern. Our goal should be to get some form/experience into guys like freeman, regan, boland, plunkett, coen, etc. work on some kickout strategy and stay in the division. What other teams are doing, I don't care.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » First off, they are only one game in. Mayo could well win in Kerry, Dublin beat tyrone, and that puts mayo on a par with two of them... We have a lot of beatable teams to come, and at home. There is no need to be worrying just yet. Why do mayo need to field their championship team? How does anyone get a chance if they do that? What we actually need to do is build a championship squad, with 23-24 guys who can come on and actually offer something in big games, and not be viewed as a weak link by opposition. How in the name of God is playing the same 15 all year going to achieve that? Furthermore, playing the same 15 all year makes things stale. Subs lose interest and starters get complacent. Doing this would be very foolish in my opinion. What would be great is that the guys getting chances now start going well, and established players don't have it so handy getting back into the starting 15. With maybe a few of them still on the bench come championship. Look at the positive effect some time out in the cold had on tom parsons for example. He is a far more rounded player now.
RD10 wrote: » tom parsons would be the perfect example of a player i didnt really rate at all the first time round playing with mayo. himself and colm boyle. and look at them now, two of mayo's best and most influential players we'd be lost without. How do people rate david drake? that match he was brought in for against dublin for the semi final few years ago i think it might have been , completely took everyone by suprise, did very well in that game too. seem to have dropped the radar a bit now. anyone know if there's any injuries coming into the kerry game?
charlie14 wrote: » The point I am attempting to make in relation to the league is that presently in Division 1 there are only 4 teams with a realistic chance of winning this years All Ireland. Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and possibly Tyrone.Of the rest survival in Div 1 will be their main aim imo. While those 4 will be fighting tooth and nail to survive they are an ideal testing ground for experimenting with trying out players. The other 3, even at this stage are looking safe enough in the league,and will be using their games with an eye too the championship side they will start against the teams most likely to feature at the tail end of the championship. For me anyway, Mayo, if only for psychological reasons alone, really need to field as near as possible their championship team against them to test the merits of these side and work on any fine adjustments of their own. To not do so would be foolish imo.
charlie14 wrote: » I can see your point in regards to league v championship and a merry-go-round of players, but when you have the likes of Dublin who are always determined with this present squad to win the league, and Kerry who seem of late equally determined to not give an inch in the league to Dublin, should Mayo not have the same attitude especially in games with both of these ? To me at least, these games should be the real testing ground as to the make up of the championship team, in that they will give the manager a better knowledge of how players will perform in the heat of battle come the championship.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Of course the league isn't a priority. And were we to win it and then lose the championship, the same guys who are saying we should try to win the league would be saying we peaked too early for the league. The same way guys saying we need to be beating Dublin and Kerry in the league is somehow important. It is good to get a win over them alright, but we obviously are understrength and underprepared at the minute, so therefore the upcoming Kerry game means little. Another thing we need to think about is our constant calls for changing players in our forwards. Freeman gets a game (the same freeman that was supposed to be the man that would have won us sam in 2013) and someone wants regan, regan gets a game then someone wants Loftus. Does that mean we drop regan and freeman? And then call for them to get a chance again in two months time? Round and round in circles. We need to take the thing on it's merits more.
Coillte_Bhoy wrote: » Well it's seems obvious the league isnt a priority and rightly so imo. Seriously, would even winning it mean anything much at this stage? Everything should be focussed on the c'ship and peaking at the right time. We should have enough to stay up and that shuold be our primary goal in terms of league success
rocketfingers wrote: » Going to Tralee next weekend is a tough ask. The thing is?beating teams like Kerry and Dublin in the league is what gives belief,if and when Mayo face them later on in the championship.
km79 wrote: » Has anyone had their season ticket attendance updated yet
PressRun wrote: » It is early days and there is still plenty of work to be done. Training has only recommenced very recently, so oviously you'd be hopeful that efforts will be made to address some of the problems in the coming weeks and that players will find their rhythm with more game time. That being said, I would have liked to see us have a proper go at the league this year. Winning it would be a huge morale boost, I feel, but it just seems like we're often content to just avoid relegation and throw everything into the championship.
Oldtree wrote: » And that's just lovely to hear, bringing your 3 yo, mine came with me at 4.
yop wrote: » Disappointing the result, Yop now = Yoda :-) Great crowd. Brought my 3 year old to her first game, lovely night for it.
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