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Second Captains

ballsymchugh

Thought I'd update the OP with links and stuff for anyone who stumbles across this.

The former Off the Ball hosts have partnered with The Irish Times to do a series of weekly podcasts. They go online each Tuesday and cover a variety of sports, with a number of contributors including Sid Lowe, Richie Sadlier, Gerry Thornley and Shane Horgan.

They can be found:
On The Irish Times' site: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
On Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com
On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/second-captains-irish-times/id647893016?mt=2

Or if you prefer not to use iTunes for your podcasts, use this link in whatever app you use (Thanks to youcancallmeal): http://feeds.feedburner.com/secondcaptainsitcom

And here are their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

Cheers,
wnolan1992

so they're almost finished their gardening leave...

where will they end up?

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Arghus

People just have an aversion to paying for something they used to get for free.

BelovedAunt

Jaysus lads, some fair stingey bastards in this thread. Over 10 years of free entertainment from the lads and they're reluctant to pay €5 a month to support them. Were people in Ireland always this stingey or did the recession play a big part in that?

klose

Ill sub to support and see how it goes, years of free entertainment so ill shell a few pound for daily pods.

lawred2

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Falls under Fair Use, not much they could do about it even if they did have a problem. I'd imagine they wouldn't have a problem though, it's free advertising for them at the end of the day.

Let's take the 40k figure as the audience. Not a hope in hell would you ever get a 50% uptake on a subscription. If it were that easy, all podcasts would be doing it. That would be €1.2million a year for a relatively niche Irish sports podcast.

A 5-10% uptake would be impressive. (Which to be fair would still net each of them in the region of €1500 a month assuming the IT takes a cut, which isn't to be sniffed at)

1500 a month would hardly be worth their effort

Dots1982

Don't know if I'll bother. I'll miss it but I'm not that into rugby, hurling, golf, US sports, boxing or anything else they cover so it would be just Gaelic and football I'd be paying it for and these days OTB is better for both for me.

I agree with some other posters though that the Tuesday and Thursday format has been going stale for a little while.

SC really need to improve their GAA coverage. It's dull.

Ol' Donie

redbuck wrote: »

Sorry but as much as I enjoy the podcasts aside from Murph I could never bring myself to pay to listen to him.

Ah, no way.

I said I hope they do some more niche sport stuff a few posts back.

Obviously I meant Dog Chat & the Pitch & Putt news. And, of course, Administrator of the week.

redbuck

Sorry but as much as I enjoy the podcasts aside from Murph I could never bring myself to pay to listen to him.

jive

Wish them all the best but won't be subscribing. If all my podcasts started charging €5 a month I'd be up shīt creek. I'll continue to listen to the free shows, hopefully they remain largely the same and don't flog the paid content with the tired old joke of 'so for just €5 you can get how much great content murph?' ..'well Eoin, for just €5 you can get 16 more hours of sublime blah blah blah'

wnolan1992

tomwaits48 wrote: »

Unrelated, but often wondered what Sky/BT make of media companies earning revenue commenting on or generating clips off the back of their content.

Falls under Fair Use, not much they could do about it even if they did have a problem. I'd imagine they wouldn't have a problem though, it's free advertising for them at the end of the day.

pc7 wrote: »

Thanks foxtrot based on those figures on sound cloud alone say 20k pay that's 100,000 a month. Which would be a nice chunk of change for the guys, wouldn't think the times was paying anything close to that. Hope it works out for them, I'm going to see what the content is first.

Let's take the 40k figure as the audience. Not a hope in hell would you ever get a 50% uptake on a subscription. If it were that easy, all podcasts would be doing it. That would be €1.2million a year for a relatively niche Irish sports podcast.

A 5-10% uptake would be impressive. (Which to be fair would still net each of them in the region of €1500 a month assuming the IT takes a cut, which isn't to be sniffed at)

Loafing Oaf

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

This has been coming since they lost the sponsorship deal, no way the IT could keep funding the five of them plus pay for guests etc.

I wonder how this played out in practice? Did the Times cut their allowance and force them to do something to 'monetise their content'?

pc7

Thanks foxtrot based on those figures on sound cloud alone say 20k pay that's 100,000 a month. Which would be a nice chunk of change for the guys, wouldn't think the times was paying anything close to that. Hope it works out for them, I'm going to see what the content is first.

Cosmo Kramer

This has been coming since they lost the sponsorship deal, no way the IT could keep funding the five of them plus pay for guests etc.

I'm torn as to whether I'll subscribe or not. I only just about get through the four shows a week as it is between when I'm running and going to work, I'd never listen to six a week. If I can't just download them straight from iTunes it'll be difficult for me to listen to them when running. Also, Murph gets on my tits far too often..

On the other hand they've given me fantastic entertainment for free for nearly four years and I want to see them succeed as a result and feel they deserve my support. Also, living abroad, the podcast is a great way to keep in touch with Irish sport. I think I've just about talked myself into giving it a shot as long as I can get it through iTunes.

foxtrot101

pc7 wrote: »

Would anyone have any idea of the current number of downloads they get? They are usually top ten in the charts here.

No, iTunes just doesn't give out that information. Soundcloud has a counter so you see how often each episode is listen to that way (click on "The Second Captains Podcast"). Very roughly - 37k to 40K.

https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com

pc7

Would anyone have any idea of the current number of downloads they get? They are usually top ten in the charts here.

Loafing Oaf

Cartman78 wrote: »

Best of luck to them but I've never paid for a podcast and I won't be starting now.

Me either, struggle to get round to listening to all 'my' podcasts/radio shows/audiobooks as it is...

Ol' Donie

boobycharlton wrote: »

Can't think of anything more boring than an international soccer podcast, the football show struggles for content during international weeks as it is.

I'd say a small % of the lads audience are arsed about LOI too, not saying that's right, just reality.

There are few words that make my heart sink like "Ken was in Malahide this morning..."

tomwaits48

Unrelated, but often wondered what Sky/BT make of media companies earning revenue commenting on or generating clips off the back of their content.

Hippo

Happy to pay a sub for extra pods - I hope they go down the road of covering more diverse subjects, politics etc

boobycharlton

Can't think of anything more boring than an international soccer podcast, the football show struggles for content during international weeks as it is.

I'd say a small % of the lads audience are arsed about LOI too, not saying that's right, just reality.

Dont be at yourself

No qualms paying for this. €5 a month for 20+ hrs of content is worth it for me. I spend twice that on Netflix and might watch one or two films a month on it.

With declining ad revenues, publishers are facing a reckoning, and I'm more than happy to shell out a few quid a month to the outlets that provide high-quality, relevant content.

Trent Houseboat

Best of luck to them. I will not be subscribing straight away. I'll settle for the two in Monday until then.

I'll let them work out the kinks on the rest of you and wait for the rugby to die down. Maybe wait got the summer when I can't get enough GAA coverage. I assume the back catalogue will still be available to subscribers then so any standout interviews will still be there.

Someone above mentioned paetreon, but as far as I know the least you can subscribe for on there is $1 per show which would work out as multiples of €5 per month. As someone subscribed to as many podcasts as I am, I fear the trend to paid content.

Utopia Parkway

The fact that only the 2 shows on Monday will be free makes me think I'll probably have to sign up. If it was 4 free shows as it currently is I'm not sure I'd have the time to listen to all the other content but just 2 free shows on one day of the week isn't enough to satisfy me.

Ol' Donie

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Will definitely be signing up. Daily podcast gives them a chance to react to stuff as it happens. This is one thing that's sorely lacking when they are only releasing pods twice a week.

I've been lacking in pods at times and this will definitely fill the gap. Great for listening to when going out for a run.

That's what I'm thinking. Being able to react to whatever happened the night before will be great.

boobycharlton

foxtrot101 wrote: »

I can't think of any good reason for Richie presenting one of the extra shows each week. Eoin and Ken are by far their biggest draw, why dilute it with Richie? It's also another person to pay, money is going to be tight enough getting this off the ground.

I like Richie, he's an easy listen and has good insight into English football. He did grand when he filled in for Eoin a few weeks back, and his interview with Stevie Elliott was very good too.

I think another very obvious reason would be having him present a show will take the strain off Eoin for at least one day.

Cazale

Worth subscribing for a month or two to try it out. The Anfield Wrap podcast has a similar model of a couple of free shows and paid shows for the rest. They seem to be doing well out of it.

Cienciano

I'll definitely give it a go. I've listened to them since Gilroy on Newstalk and I at least owe them for a wagon wheel pizza I won and a second captains mug I stole. If I can get it through my normal podcast app it would be great, but if not I can't see myself continuing.
Brave move, but they're no stranger to that after walking away from newstalk.

Dots1982

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Seems they will, judging by this thread.

I'm happy to pay for Netflix, Spotify, etc. Good content, at reasonable prices, is worth paying for imo.

The reason people stream sport so readily is due to the ridiculous costs involved (split across different providers, etc.)

I don't want to get in to a war of words.

foxtrot101

Deedsie wrote: »

How much of the daily podcasts will be premier league soccer though? I really dont care about that at all and dont think Ill pay to listen to it. Would be interested if it wasnt just extra premier league content.

I probably would pay if there were extra football shows - it going to be hard pleasing everybody.

wnolan1992

I have reservations about this tbh.

If you don't pay, you're losing two shows a week.
If you don't pay, you lose out on two thirds of their content.
The show is heavily driven by the relationship between the lads, and injokes often develop and bed in. My concern is that listening to the Monday shows will now sound disjointed.
They're hugely segmenting the audience.

I would have preferred them to maintain the 4 free shows a week and introduce 3 premium shows a week, focused on long-form interviews or really niche stories. Append segments of these pods to the end of the free shows as a "Here's what you're missing!" thing.

I'm totally OK with paying for podcasts, but I much favour the Patreon model which has proven very, very successful for a tonne of creators. Make it feel like your listeners are supporting your work as opposed to buying content.

I'll subscribe for the first month and reassess. If there isn't an RSS option, I'll probably unsubscribe because if I actively have to seek out the episodes I will likely fall well behind and end up not bothering.

foxtrot101

Regular guest Richie Sadlier is set to present one of the new programmes, while they have promised to announce further additions.

http://www.the42.ie/second-captains-world-service-daily-shows-subscription-3225477-Feb2017/

I can't think of any good reason for Richie presenting one of the extra shows each week. Eoin and Ken are by far their biggest draw, why dilute it with Richie? It's also another person to pay, money is going to be tight enough getting this off the ground.