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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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Oldtree

DDC1990 wrote: »

I watched the same feed you did Jayop and that's just not true. Monaghan, once they had the 4 point lead reduces the game to a scrap and some if the Mayo lads couldn't keep their heads.

Twice Kieran Hughes pushed a Mayo player towards the concrete wall over the sideline, leading to a bout of pushing and shoving.

Now the idea that only Northern teams start **** like that is rediculous.

Kerry did it to kill the last 5 minutes of extra time in Limerick in 2014. Dublin did it to Mayo in the last few minutes of the 2012 AIF. I'm sure Mayo have done it on occasion, I don't have an example off the top of my head though..

I was more talking about it being used by teams as a general tactic, that is done from the off and continuing throughout the match.

RD10

Clarke did well, good anticipation and good in the air (took man and ball and one stage in the first half with no regard for his own safety! thats the type of attitude we need to see all over the pitch-brilliant.
taught donie newcombe and fergal boland slotted in nicely and had v.good games.
Did we have any marks in that game at all? i cant remember any. wasnt a finger laid on ciaran hughes, all too easy for him to catch them all night long.
cillian was the only man up front who really tried hard, only one who could win a 50/50 ball for himself and boy did he have to battle hard to keep a hold of it then being double marked at times. worked really hard tracking back and putting in the tackles.
evan regan, rarely wins his own ball and if he does win it he cannot hold onto it. so frustrating to watch in every match. i really just dont think hes good enough. great left foot at times but only when hes not under pressure.he dosnt do much else tbh.
Alan freeman as said above, is also so frustrating to watch because he has so much potential and can be a brilliant player, i just dont know what it is with him. he needs to be more aggressive in his play. he plucked a beauty from the sky at one point and i think slotted it over but if its not a perfect ball he dosnt seem interested in fighting hard to really win that 50/50 ball. seems too laid back and happy to sit back and let things pass him by.
basically same old failings showing up already. apart from cillian the other forwards didnt contribute much imo.

Oldtree

seligehgit wrote: »

Few if any positives to be taken from the night.David Clarke excelled in goal although I would still have concerns re his kickouts.

Monaghan were very tight with the marking on our kickouts and they seemed to have 4 backs handy against 3 of our forwards on their kickouts. At times we were block attacked and outnumbered in our half. I felt that our backs and half backs didn't have the drive to continuously lose their markers, leaving Clarke little option but to kick over their heads into an outnumbered midfield. He made short quick kickouts when he could to retain possession.

PressRun

RD10 wrote: »

cillian was the only man up front who really tried hard, only one who could win a 50/50 ball for himself and boy did he have to battle hard to keep a hold of it then being double marked at times. worked really hard tracking back and putting in the tackles.
evan regan, rarely wins his own ball and if he does win it he cannot hold onto it. so frustrating to watch in every match. i really just dont think hes good enough. great left foot at times but only when hes not under pressure.he dosnt do much else tbh.
Alan freeman as said above, is also so frustrating to watch because he has so much potential and can be a brilliant player, i just dont know what it is with him. he needs to be more aggressive in his play. he plucked a beauty from the sky at one point and i think slotted it over but if its not a perfect ball he dosnt seem interested in fighting hard to really win that 50/50 ball. seems too laid back and happy to sit back and let things pass him by.
basically same old failings showing up already. apart from cillian the other forwards didnt contribute much imo.

I agree with this. With Regan, I think it might be a strength/height thing. He's nippy and quick, but he can't shake off his man and gets dispossessed too easily. Freeman, while capable of kicking a nice score, is lacking aggression, imo. He doesn't seem to fight for much. Cillian is just stronger than Regan (saw Cillian up close recently, he's a big fella!) and a lot more aggressive than Freeman. He isn't afraid of a scrap and getting stuck into winning dirty ball.

seligehgit

PressRun wrote: »

I agree with this. With Regan, I think it might be a strength/height thing. He's nippy and quick, but he can't shake off his man and gets dispossessed too easily. Freeman, while capable of kicking a nice score, is lacking aggression, imo. He doesn't seem to fight for much. Cillian is just stronger than Regan (saw Cillian up close recently, he's a big fella!) and a lot more aggressive than Freeman. He isn't afraid of a scrap and getting stuck into winning dirty ball.

Lest we forget Cillian O Connor wasn't always the most physically imposing player but worked very hard to develop same.Much to benefit of his game.Cillian I always get the impression would go through the solid block wall in order to bring any improvements to his game.

Audioslaven

PressRun wrote: »

I agree with this. With Regan, I think it might be a strength/height thing. He's nippy and quick, but he can't shake off his man and gets dispossessed too easily. Freeman, while capable of kicking a nice score, is lacking aggression, imo. He doesn't seem to fight for much. Cillian is just stronger than Regan (saw Cillian up close recently, he's a big fella!) and a lot more aggressive than Freeman. He isn't afraid of a scrap and getting stuck into winning dirty ball.

Regan has always had an issue with upper body strength. He is not able to take the hit and stay on his legs and/or hold the ball. He has the talent but been a top forward is much more than that. He really needs to improve and he is in the panel a few years now..

We look to have lack for quality forwards who can fight for the 50/50 ball and as some other guy said alot of "floating players" in the panel.. freeman, doherty, regan to name a few. Add in Dillion who is past it and it does not look very promising in the forward department. AOS needs to get his act together also as he has to take the full forward role and show what he can really do because it is in him but he needs to become a right bastard for defenders imo

PressRun

seligehgit wrote: »

Lest we forget Cillian O Connor wasn't always the most physically imposing player but worked very hard to develop same.Much to benefit of his game.Cillian I always get the impression would go through the solid block wall in order to bring any improvements to his game.

I think we've probably all heard the stories about what he's done to improve his game and the efforts he's made. He can't be faulted for the effort he puts in. He's become a bit of a beast physically over the last year or so.

km79

PressRun wrote: »

I think we've probably all heard the stories about what he's done to improve his game and the efforts he's made. He can't be faulted for the effort he puts in. He's become a bit of a beast physically over the last year or so.

He looks slimmer and sharper this year
A fully fully fit cillian is the difference in winning the AI or not ........he hasn't been fit for 2 years imo
Carrying weight and always struggling for full fitness
That's the main positive for me last night

mayo.mick

Really looking forward to seeing more of Boland, think he has a good head for the game on him

km79

mayo.mick wrote: »

Really looking forward to seeing more of Boland, think he has a good head for the game on him

I worry that he is too small.
It's just the reality of the modern game . Lovely footballer with good pace. But he is small

Mayo Club 51

PressRun

km79 wrote: »

He looks slimmer and sharper this year
A fully fully fit cillian is the difference in winning the AI or not ........he hasn't been fit for 2 years imo
Carrying weight and always struggling for full fitness
That's the main positive for me last night

Hopefully the knee problem he's had for the last couple of years has been sorted with that operation once and for all. I heard in 2015 that he needed quite a bit of treatment for pain to get through matches.

km79

PressRun wrote: »

Hopefully the knee problem he's had for the last couple of years has been sorted with that operation once and for all. I heard in 2015 that he needed quite a bit of treatment for pain to get through matches.

And he bulked up without hin being able to do proper training with it
Looks so much sharper last night thankfully

seligehgit

It's not looking likely we'll get any points down in the kingdom.Kerry were very impressive against Donegal for the first 55 odd minutes before appearing to take the foot off the pedal.Geaney and O Donoghue ran riot.

PressRun

Unless something drastically improves over the next week (unlikely), I don't think we'll be up to much down in Tralee.

yop

Disappointing the result, some positives from the performance. Seems to be a bad habit of starting the league badly.
Clarke was superb, though some of the kick out choices were odd.
Not sure who was our extra man and some of the shot and pass selection was not good.
Young lads did well, thought Kirby did well in a rough position, every chance Monaghan got they were in on him with closed fists.
We had the chances and didn't take them.
McManus is a pleasure to watch and was the difference.
Lane had his usual mare, isn't rated as a ref but is still there.

Don't think its going to improve next weekend, still not sure if I'm going to get down.

Great crowd. Brought my 3 year old to her first game, lovely night for it.

RD10

i think a lot of people are waiting for the likes of o'shea to come back into the forwards and suddenly bring the team to life.
Remember o'shea isnt particularly playing out of his skin either ..
from a forwards point of view surely the guys who are being started now know they need to work even harder to impress to kick the other guys back to the bench.
they need to make one of those starting jerseys their own come championship. keeping in mind its only the first match of the league but it just dosnt feel like anyone is prepared to step up and stand out from the crowd just yet.
in saying that i can see the team as a whole improving over the next few weeks.

PressRun

It is early days and there is still plenty of work to be done. Training has only recommenced very recently, so oviously you'd be hopeful that efforts will be made to address some of the problems in the coming weeks and that players will find their rhythm with more game time. That being said, I would have liked to see us have a proper go at the league this year. Winning it would be a huge morale boost, I feel, but it just seems like we're often content to just avoid relegation and throw everything into the championship.

RD10

PressRun wrote: »

It is early days and there is still plenty of work to be done. Training has only recommenced very recently, so oviously you'd be hopeful that efforts will be made to address some of the problems in the coming weeks and that players will find their rhythm with more game time. That being said, I would have liked to see us have a proper go at the league this year. Winning it would be a huge morale boost, I feel, but it just seems like we're often content to just avoid relegation and throw everything into the championship.

i agree. hopefully things will improve as we go along. i dont want us to be fighting a relegation battle and depending on points difference to keep us up. if not finshing top i'd like for us to really give the league a right lash this year and do well.

NabyLadistheman

Our lack of a ball winner in Midfield was frightening. Clarke's kick-outs to that area were not good. Clarke was unreal, I thought alot of the good he did was his own doing in once sense, coming out of this goal sweeping. Felt he got lucky on one or two occasions. No arguing his shot-stopping though, some incredible saves.

Thought we should have had a free in on the 21 yard line in the move that ended with the ball in our net. I forgot to put a clock on the second half & txt a mate to see how long was left. 7 mins + injury-time was the reply & I knew there would be a considerable amount of that. Yet out on the pitch we were playing as if the game was about to end. Really frantic & rushing things, a quick free which was very scor-able springs to mind.

Coen at six looks a major option going forward. Monaghan had more in the legs & knew there game-plan a lot better than us. Im a bit puzzled with the way we are trying to play. What about the McLoughlin sweeper experiment? Should that not have been continued here so everyone is learning as we go? Continually playing into the oppositions hands & caught on the counter every-time. Monaghan looked like scoring every time they attacked. Some of the ball we put into the FF line is shocking. Still neee dot see a lot more form Regan of he going to be an option in a few months

Oldtree

yop wrote: »

Disappointing the result,

Yop now = Yoda :-)

Great crowd. Brought my 3 year old to her first game, lovely night for it.

And that's just lovely to hear, bringing your 3 yo, mine came with me at 4.

mayo.mick

Oldtree wrote: »

And that's just lovely to hear, bringing your 3 yo, mine came with me at 4.

That's brilliant, the next generation of staunch Mayo supporters! Its brilliant to see so many kids, teenagers and families, all in their Mayo gear at the match's.

PARlance

PressRun wrote: »

It is early days and there is still plenty of work to be done. Training has only recommenced very recently, so oviously you'd be hopeful that efforts will be made to address some of the problems in the coming weeks and that players will find their rhythm with more game time. That being said, I would have liked to see us have a proper go at the league this year. Winning it would be a huge morale boost, I feel, but it just seems like we're often content to just avoid relegation and throw everything into the championship.

I'm the opposite really. Winning wouldn't be turned down obviously but it generally requires less tinkering and playing your strongest team as often as possible. I would prefer to be relegated and have figured out / solved the few problem areas we have. They're not mutually exclusive but you get my drift... hopefully. I'm less about results and more about progress / problems being solved.

Rochford didn't really have much time in the League last year but he definitely figured things out as the Championship went along. I'm hoping he takes a few more big steps in this year's League.

It's early days and I don't want to get carried away but there are a few areas that really need work on:

Kickouts: Both for and against, we're killing ourself on both fronts. I think we need to play a much more aggressive game this year in terms of pushing up. While there was only 1 point in the replay, Dublin toyed with us towards the end, you can't just give up possession to teams like that.
AO'S FF: Once he returns, I would spend every minute with him on becoming a FF. If himself and CO'C got clicking then that's a massive leap forward.
DO'C & KMcL: would love to see them more advanced this year. KMcL is not a sweeper and never will be imo, we've plenty of talented defenders that can assume this role. If these 2 get clicking with the FF pair then suddenly we've a lot of problems solved. They would be key to a more aggressive push from opposition kickouts as well.
AnOther: Just need another forward (assuming the 6th is the sweeper) to step up, sadly I don't think that person was there last year. Regan, Doherty & Freeman are a good support cast but I just can't see them being part of the solution required. I hate myself for even suggesting it but I would even try Lee (the best manmaker in the game, why change that...) as a the 5th forward.

Keegan McL DO'C
AO'S CO'C

Don't tell me there's a defence that would fancy those 3 half forwards running at them all day or fancy keeping tabs on the 2 lads inside.

We've gotten fairly defensive, giving up free kickouts all day shouldn't be our style. Goals were still conceded last year when it mattered. So basically what I'm saying is, let's go nuts and throw caution to the wind this year.

It's a bit early in the year to be getting carried away isn't it

km79

Has anyone had their season ticket attendance updated yet

eastmayo

km79 wrote: »

Has anyone had their season ticket attendance updated yet

Nope not yet

jeffred

km79 wrote: »

Has anyone had their season ticket attendance updated yet

Not yet, maybe tomorrow.

mayo.mick

km79 wrote: »

Has anyone had their season ticket attendance updated yet

Just on about that over in the season tickets thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057653905&page=10

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Though Mayo were very rusty the last night, lots of errors, the ball that went through McLaughlin's (I think) legs in the second half summed it up.

Freeman was frustrating.
Failed to catch the good high ball in from the left in the first half, made a fine catch in the second but layed it off poorly, he passed it back to Vaughan when someone else was in the much better position running in.

Thought Vaughan was a bit overweight looking.

Monaghan made good use of the mark to take the sting out of Mayo's momentum in the second half.

Overall not too worried, would prefer to see them finish the league stronger than they start it.

Coillte_Bhoy

Well it's seems obvious the league isnt a priority and rightly so imo. Seriously, would even winning it mean anything much at this stage? Everything should be focussed on the c'ship and peaking at the right time. We should have enough to stay up and that shuold be our primary goal in terms of league success

rocketfingers

Going to Tralee next weekend is a tough ask.
The thing is?beating teams like Kerry and Dublin in the league is what gives belief,if and when Mayo face them later on in the championship.