_Kaiser_ wrote: » I still remain unconvinced that just adding an extra lane to/from J11 will solve anything really for the disruption and cost involved Just like the N7 from the M50, it'll be a case of most traffic sitting in lanes 2 and 3 with lane 1 pretty much empty most of the time, with the more impatient sorts weaving between all 3 lanes to try and get a car length ahead. As it is, the existing J9-11 section (south) is a mess with cars jumping on at J9 and forcing their way into lane, ditto at 10, and then the brake light waves start as they dive for the M9 at the last minute. I can't see that changing with an extra lane if M50 behavior is any indication. It may move the existing southbound problems to J11 I suppose I think a far better use of the money would be to develop/find some sort of alternative route that takes the pressure off this one motorway from the M50 as far as Kildare town. Maybe do something with the N81? At the very least put in motorway grade link roads between the M4/7/N81 before you get to the M50... an "unofficial" outer M50 if you will, which I think would do a lot more to relieve the strain. Of course, if money was no object I'd link the M11 as well but you have the Wicklow mountains in the way. I just don't see the ROI being worthwhile for this one.. and isn't it to be slowed to 100 km/h as well? That'll just be a mess.. as it is the 3-lane N7 is quite capable of handing 120 km/h much of the time... and indeed that's what a lot of traffic does anyway.
pad199207 wrote: » What's the re jig of J9? Is it going to be different than the current interchange ?
rameire wrote: » nope Jn9 to jn11, 3 lanes. re-jig of Jn9, new jn9a, jn10 rebuild and re-jig, jn11 end of construction.
benny79 wrote: » Is it not going from J9 to J12? thats what I taught.. As only widening to one junction wont make a whole lot of difference!
marno21 wrote: » The work on the central median can easily be done by shifting traffic over to the hard shoulder, there was works in the last year to strengthen the shoulder so it's suitable for traffic running. Then the traffic can be shifted towards the centre so work can be done on the verges. Obviously with a 60km/h limit.
gilly2308 wrote: » Ha ha that's so true pad199207, thank god the days are gone when they would just literally bypass a town and that was it. A local cowboy would be given the contract after dropping a few brown envelopes, and the job itself would take years to complete. Yes there is no doubt that we have improved immeasurably in road building in this country, helped no doubt by EU rules that projects had to be tendered internationally, but I think that adding an extra lane in both directions on the M7 from J9 to J11 is not exactly a major feat of construction brilliance, and could be done a lot quicker. Yes I realise that new junctions are to be built as well as the bypass of Sallins, but the extra lane is of far greater importance in the grand scheme of things.
pad199207 wrote: » No you see in this country they say things will take 3 or 4 years to build. And then it ends up taking about 2 years for it to be built. So when the lads finish up "ahead of schedule" they think they're brilliant even though they know perfectly well it was only going to take 2 years. This is what happens with the Newlands Flyover
pad199207 wrote: » This is what happens with the Newlands Flyover
gilly2308 wrote: » I still think three years for what should be a reasonably straightforward build is way too much, this would not take three years in most other countries.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Is it that straight forward? It's an online upgrade that has to occur while keeping the road open at the current capacity.
marno21 wrote: » Three years for all 3 parts of this to be completed. No mention of a start date.http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/local-news/233098/naas-road-projects-will-take-at-least-three-years-to-build.html
wotswattage wrote: » To get back onto the M7 do you head south from Pfizer, across the motorway, then west past Newbridge Rugby Club and join from the Curragh Camp side? Or do you go through Newbridge town itself after passing Pfizer? I'll give this a try next time I'm leaving Dublin on a Friday.. I've taken the parallel road through Kill and then on through Past Tesco Extra Naas, Kerry group and re-join the standstill at Junction 10. The traffic around the Tesco Extra can be slow and there are 100 roundabouts but I'd take it over staying on the M7 any day the traffic is bad.. Junction 10 until after 11 is pretty bad too. Getting to 12 would be great!
Walter2016 wrote: » I should charge for this! I drive about 80k km a year so have worked out many "traffic avoidance" measures. For evenings, turn off at junction 6 - You'll drive behind the Topaz station, into Kill and through Kill, then at junction 8, go over overpass, past Johnstown garden centre, follow road along by Naas golf club into Sallins, turn left towards Naas, turn right after lights at Supervalu and that road crosses the caragh road, the mondelo road and brings you to the junction just before Toughers at Ladytown. 20-25 minutes max at peak Friday from time you turn off N7 to Pzifer.
L1011 wrote: » Deedsie wrote: » From being awarded a tender to actually starting construction that seems optimistic? Haven't checked the tender, but a build only contract often has the land cleared and fenced, detailed design completed etc. Depending on kit and labour force, 3 weeks until onsite is possible
Deedsie wrote: » From being awarded a tender to actually starting construction that seems optimistic?
Chris_5339762 wrote: » May??? It slipped. Was supposed to go to construction in April
Sam Russell wrote: » How much did all those motorways cost? And how much is spent of road maintenance, improvements and upgrades? [hint - €650 is being spent on a motorway from Gort to Tuam, with a similar amount about to be committed to the Galway Outer Bypass]. And how much of the motor taxes go towards the provision of water and other local authority costs? I think all of the Local Property Tax was handed over to Irish Water (but I might be wrong there). Current Motor Tax rates are grossly unfair with regard to pre- and post- 2008 registrations. And they are also unreasonably on high engine capacity cars.
Current Motor Tax rates are grossly unfair with regard to pre- and post- 2008 registrations. And they are also unreasonably on high engine capacity cars.
gilly2308 wrote: » I couldn't disagree more, we pay some of the highest motoring taxes in the world, and we don't get a lot back in fairness. We finally got a half decent motorway network 30 to 40 years after most countries got theirs, and you also have to pay a toll or two to drive on all of these, so please tell me how that is heavily subsidised for motorists. The only people doing well out of this are the toll operators thanks to the stupidity of the government in awarding these contracts. In 2015 motorists paid 2.3 billion in a combination of fuel and carbon taxes http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/motorists-pumped-62million-fuel-levies-7196743 all in all between fuel levies, carbon taxes, VRT, motor tax, insurance levies etc, it is estimated that the government takes between 4 and 4.5 billion a year from motorists, yet only about 15% of that actually goes back into road building and road maintenance, so your theory holds no water whatsoever. The fact of the matter is that we pay way more than any other European country for the privilege of driving, only our fuel costs are competitive with other European countries, but after that we get royally shafted in the form of VRT, carbon taxes, motor tax, levies etc.
spacetweek wrote: » Why should PT be made cheaper while motoring enjoys such a high level of subsidy? Motor tax and petrol in particular are greatly cheaper than the actual cost of, respectively, maintaining roads and environmental and health damage.
