learn_more wrote: » Yes but you can forgive ppl for thinking that that was the case because that was the story that British put out at the time in a deliberate attempt to conceal what really happened knowing full well that when the real story emerged the story would not be so much in the public eye. Absolutely despicable what they did.
RobertKK wrote: » I was not joking, I mean if I was in a foreign country where the language is not English, how am I exp0ected to know what stop is in a froeign language, how am I to obey if I don't know what was being said? I was just pointing out that the man may not haven know the word stop, the last thing I would do about him is make it into a joke.
Butters1979 wrote: » A terrorist apologised is someone who tries to blame the society that is targeted to absolve the perpetrators. This, as much as terrorism in the first place, helps push people to the right.
seamus wrote: » Which is a perfect example of why we should always be cautious about taking initial reports of any incident as gospel. These reports are virtually always grains of truth rolled up in extrapolation or sometimes pure lies depending on who reported it. And contrary to popular belief, eyewitnesses are often the least reliable sources of information in the immediate aftermath.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » Really? Well according to that definition I am a terrorist apologist. Terrorism isn't born in a cave and hatched. It is created by Global injustices where we drop bombs on foreign countries, marginalise sections of society based on race or religion and commit state sanctioned murder where innocent civilians are bombed on Live Tv and military incursions are given snappy names like Shock and Awe and some how we act surprised when people get upset about it and become radicalised in our own societies. Most of these terrorist attacks are carried out by national radicalised persons rather than foreign terrorists. But that's not what you really mean though. A Terrorist Apologist by its constructoin would point to someone who condones or indeed supports terrorism. Whilst you might only support one side I support neither. I don't condone terrorism. Be it state sanctioned or Islamic nutjobs. Both are equally wrong. Both are equally stupid. And writing these attacks off as some sort of dumb morons who "hate freedom" is the worst type of flat out dumbing down I have ever seen. But then again, most people are pretty stupid when they are afraid and the media is spoon feeding people a constant diet of lies and fear.Where's all the coverage about the radical muslum attack in Quebec last Monday who also shouted Allah Akbar with his buddy with an AK-47 and the same nonsense is being spoon fed five days later. Forgive me if I am a non believer for now.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » Really? Well according to that definition I am a terrorist apologist. Terrorism isn't born in a cave and hatched. It is created by Global injustices where we drop bombs on foreign countries, marginalise sections of society based on race or religion and commit state sanctioned murder where innocent civilians are bombed on Live Tv and military incursions are given snappy names like Shock and Awe and some how we act surprised when people get upset about it and become radicalised in our own societies. Most of these terrorist attacks are carried out by national radicalised persons rather than foreign terrorists. But that's not what you really mean though. A Terrorist Apologist by its constructoin would point to someone who condones or indeed supports terrorism. Whilst you might only support one side I support neither. I don't condone terrorism. Be it state sanctioned or Islamic nutjobs. Both are equally wrong. Both are equally stupid. And writing these attacks off as some sort of dumb morons who "hate freedom" is the worst type of flat out dumbing down I have ever seen. But then again, most people are pretty stupid when they are afraid and the media is spoon feeding people a constant diet of lies and fear. Where's all the coverage about the radical muslum attack in Quebec last Monday who also shouted Allah Akbar with his buddy with an AK-47 and the same nonsense is being spoon fed five days later. Forgive me if I am a non believer for now.
Butters1979 wrote: » tl;dr
topper75 wrote: » It borrows on money markets that will not cease to exist after the EU's demise. Moreover, the main driver behind govt revenue in Ireland (FDI due to tax concessions) would have the spectre of EU meddling ("tax harmonisation" and back payment threats) removed from the stage.
Vers 10h00, dans un escalier qui descend dans la galerie marchande du Carrousel du Louvre qui donne accès au musée mais situé en amont des contrôles de sécurité, un homme "armé d'une machette au moins, peut-être d'une deuxième arme" s'est avancé vers quatre militaires de la force Sentinelle en proférant des "menaces" et en criant "Allah Akbar", a déclaré le préfet de police de Paris Michel Cadot. "Le militaire le plus proche, semble-t-il, a tiré pour se défendre face à l'agression", tirant cinq balles, "blessant sérieusement l'assaillant", notamment au ventre, selon le préfet de police. A la mi-journée, il était au bloc opératoire, son pronostic vital engagé, selon une source proche de l'enquête. Un militaire, légèrement blessé au cuir chevelu, a, lui, été pris en charge à l'hôpital militaire Percy à Clamart. L'identité et les motivations de l'auteur restent à déterminer. Aucun explosif n'a été retrouvé dans les sacs à dos que portait l'assaillant. Le parquet antiterroriste a ouvert une enquête de flagrance pour "tentatives d'assassinats aggravées en relation avec une entreprise terroriste et association de malfaiteurs terroriste criminelle".
Mr. Incognito wrote: » That's fair enough. I don't expect you to read anything. Most people with entrenched views don't want to. In fact they seem to like to burn books for some reason historically. That's the problem with having a dogma I guess as opposed to an opinion which can be changed.
Mary63 wrote: » If those so radicalised and upset by whats happening are prepared to kill friends and neighbours then can I respectfully suggest they pack their bags and return to their "homeland".That solves the problem for us and them.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Victim blaming as far as I can see.
Butters1979 wrote: » Thanks for the personnel insult. Oh I have opinions that be changed. See I used to be liberal all for open borders and multi culturalism and against government and police powers. Then the last 10 years happened. See some apologist on boards won't change my opinion any more than some lad down the pub who said yadda yadda. What changes opinions are political and economic events on a global scale. Ever ask yourself why it's only those who disagree with you who are 'incapable of changing their opinion' as you judge it? Don't confuse a difference of opinion with someone incapable of forming the correct opinion in your eyes.
Mary63 wrote: » They aren't particularly happy living in the Western world, well the men anyway because Sharia Law suits men.They also don't like women, they hate women more than Donald Trump does, he hasn't murdered any of his daughters for shaming the family by marrying someone not approved of.They don't like homosexuals much either so why live in a society where gay people have equal rights and are considered legitimate targets to be massacred, i.e. Florida night club. Do you think these people will evolve into rational beings at any time in the future or will they forever be stuck in the sixteenth century.They won't drag us all back there no matter how many of them move to the West and then become terrorists because they are stuck in ghettoes of their own making. There are plenty of Middle Eastern countries they can apply to move too though no more than the States they have to go through immigration and Security and that will be decided by the Middle Easten countries themselves, same as president Trump is deciding at the moment what immigration he is allowing.
Butters1979 wrote: » See some apologist on boards won't change my opinion any more than some lad down the pub who said yadda yadda. What changes opinions are political and economic events on a global scale.
Mr. Incognito wrote: » I've seen a few online reports stating that the backpacks had paint balls in them. Seems a strange thing for a "terrorist" to be carrying. Are they paint balls or just Paint, at the Lourve. Hmmm Some pics emerging. Might just be me but this guy looks white from his neck and arm which appear to be visible in the pics.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4187460/Lovre-evacuated-Paris.html
Trent Houseboat wrote: » I thought online apologists' postings were radicalising people to the right, now you're telling us that posts have no effect.
ceadaoin. wrote: » Really? You can't tell anything about his skin colour from those grainy photos taken from a distance. What difference does that make anyway? Sounds a bit racist tbh, only non white people can be terrorists?
Mr. Incognito wrote: » I'd love to know what your opinion is. Instead of any sort of discussion you decide to engage with some sort of too long, didnt read, dismissal. I'd expect if from a stroppy teenager (maybe you are, that's the beauty of Boards I guess) but you seem to be older if you have had ten years to form views. Political and Economic Events have changed your opinions. That's quite interesting. What's your view. How was it shaped by political and economic events.
Butters1979 wrote: » Again with the insults. Stroppy teenager? I've not interest in discussing political opinions with yourself. You can't speak to anyone who disagrees with you without insults.
Butters1979 wrote: » The entire apologist culture that's breeding out from the liberal left. It's everywhere.
