Widdershins wrote: » I'm not sure if this is common knowledge.https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16388184_762424430572437_4846068352408505183_n.jpg?oh=3c5c4a9dfa44990e209cd0184db0b532&oe=5912D7E6
wes wrote: » So America is now at the same level of dictatorships, and near failed states. Some achievement from Trump on that.
Grayson wrote: » It's been mentioned a few times on other threads. I don't think it excuses US actions though.
wakka12 wrote: » You're right, USA should never have stopped to their level. But again, begs the question as to why these countries were never criticised over their actions in the first place. And 'theyre dictatorships' etc, is not good a good argument. They should be criticised to the same level that the US is being currently.
dfeo wrote: » This reminds me of Hitler's Final Solution. Jews are not real Germans. Let's deport them. Oh, deportation doesn't work? Let's gas them. It's only a matter of time before people are herded into camps by Trump.
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » Herding people into camps :rolleyes: Such a load of hysterical trash. Try to get a grip on reality, it's slipping away from you.
dfeo wrote: » No one thought Hitler would ever go that far ... but he did.
Widdershins wrote: » Hitler didn't have the eyes of the world on him, anticipating what he might do to people.
Havockk wrote: » Really? Really?https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/trump-asked-for-a-muslim-ban-giuliani-says-and-ordered-a-commission-to-do-it-legally/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_giuliani-435pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a867a0fcf840 Watch this and then ask yourself what is the meaningful difference between a 'detention camp' and a 'concentration camp'. Both Giuliani and the 'Judge' interviewing him think they sound like a 'great idea' altogether. It's a worrying time in the world, when such fascist thinking is openly spoken, only a half dozen years ago this kind of talk would have been simply shunned yet we have a situation that even on a community board in Ireland it's suddenly quite acceptable to espouse genuine fascist ideology.
Yourself isit wrote: » A detention "camp" (ie cell) is fairly common for people with visa violations in any country in the world, including here. I've been held myself.
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » The lefts Uncle Joe Stalin and the Bolsheviks were a lot worse than Hitler and the Nazis in terms of the body count they stacked up, but nobody compares anyone to them. They barely get a mention. The political left never ever ever mentions them. Airbrushed from the history books.
Havockk wrote: » In this context it's quite clear the idea is to 'round' people up 'instead' of processing in the normal fashion. This is EXACTLY what Hitler did. It simply cannot be defended.
degsie wrote: » With Trump's executive order on Muslim immigration, his siding up with Russia and his spat with Mexico, alongside the UK turning its back on Europe, we are heading towards a darker place. The world seems a little less safe right now.
wes wrote: » Democracies should always be held to a higher standard, than a dictatorship, or a near failed 3rd world country. When, you claim to be the leader of the free world, its only right to be held to that standard. Secondly, the whole line of argument smacks of whatabotery. Sure, I could say, well sure what those countries do is bad, but look how Israel treats Palestinians in the West Bank. Its a simple distraction, that lets people excuse this kind of carry on.
Widdershins wrote: » Oh God yes, excellent point. Erm..might it be because, you know, it's a bit of a stain on the communist utopian ideals they often seem to favour? An inconvenient part of history for the Left
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » The argument used is that Stalinism is not Marxism; that Stalinism is a bastardised form of Marxism. That's the defence used anyway.
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » Media can blare the '' non constitutional '' text across the screen and invoke a huge reaction in people to protest. Do people really believe that the citizens of these 7 countries had a free pass to travel to the US before this 90 day ban. The ban is there to put in place better vetting, it's put in place to improve upon what was already there under Obama. The only thing that has changed is this temporary 90 day ban. I'm sure after this ban that it will become more difficult for anyone to slip through the net. You can't have a situation like in Europe where people come and go to Syria and simply walk back in to Europe to slaughter people. It is clearly not a Muslim ban. As for refugees ,does it matter their religion ? Should Trump choose Muslims over Christians ? If the US only takes Christian refugees then it should not be frowned upon. It would actually solve a problem. Europe wants US to do it's part, so why not send them Christian refugees.
pilly wrote: » I never said people had the human right to live anywhere but the fact of the matter is that people who have legally applied for and been given a green card and made lives in the USA have the right to return there. Do you dispute this?
Yourself isit wrote: » A detention "camp" (ie cell) is fairly common for people with visa violations in any country in the world, including here. I've been held myself. There's just far too much hysteria around trump. If people keep crying Nazi now then what happens later if he does go over the top. Add someone who had opposed the US foreign policy of the last few years I kind of welcome that the US is coming under the kind of scrutiny it always needed when bush Obama and Clinton were bombing Yemen, aiding al Queda, and de posing ghadaffi. Or torturing in guantanomo. Is a wee bit hypocritical though.
