And so it begins...

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Since the Boston bombings attacks by ISIS inspired jihadis within the US have killed at least 72 people, in attacks involving at least 15 jihadis, 11 of whom are dead.

Have toddlers really killed 72 people in four years? There are 8 million US toddlers per calender year. 72 murders gives them a murder rate roughly on a par with the Republic of Ireland (36 per 4 million)

32 terrorist killings in 2016 I believe and 51 reported 'shootings' by toddlers. To be fair that's not the same as a death.

I think you get the general point however.

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Since the Boston bombings attacks by ISIS inspired jihadis within the US have killed at least 72 people, in attacks involving at least 15 jihadis, 11 of whom are dead.

Have toddlers really killed 72 people in four years? There are 8 million US toddlers per calender year. 72 murders gives them a murder rate roughly on a par with the Republic of Ireland (36 per 4 million)

A child under 3 shoots themselves or someone else at least once a week in the US. Maybe not 72 kills, but 13 "suicides" and 2 deaths in 2015
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/
As the article says, it's probably hugely underreported in the media.

That said, the US averages 40 to 50 deaths per year from lightning.

bazz26

Alternative facts... people.

darkpagandeath

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

32 terrorist killings in 2016 I believe and 51 reported 'shootings' by toddlers. To be fair that's not the same as a death.

I think you get the general point however.

Yes America has a gun issue. And that does not detract from terrorist attacks.

eeguy wrote: »

There's a weird disassociate humans make on things that kill us.
Disease, suicide, car crashes, work accidents, attacks from our own people and on and on, yet we fixate on immigrants, even though they do statistically insignificant damage to our societies.

As I've said before, the Bataclan attack made world headlines. The worst attack on Framce since WW2. An attack carried out by Belgians and French nationals on the French. 2 of 8 terrorists were non European. In terms of death, more people died on French roads in the 4 weeks leading up to the attack. Over 90% of the people inside the Bataclan escaped. Some though there was a fire, not an attack, yet it led to huge crackdowns and hatred towards immigrants who had zero to do with it.

I think the world has gone mad with their fear of terrorism. I think media portrays it as much worse than it actually is. We have irish lads with 100s of convictions terrorising us and not a word said, while 24 hour coverage about all the "hidden terrorists" among the refugees. A grand claim to make, since either can't be proven right or wrong.

I hate to Godwin the thread but i find it so hypocritical when people say "Oh we'd never let atrocities like the holocaust happen again" when we have hundreds of thousands killed in Syria, millions fleeing and people just don't want to know.

So all the terrorist attacks in Europe and the USA have been insignificant?
How about the sexual assaults on women in Germany on New Years Eve 2015 or the sexual assaults on women in Austria on New Years Eve 2016?
How about the rape of a Swedish woman live on Facebook by immigrants they welcomed into their country?

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

32 terrorist killings in 2016 I believe and 51 reported 'shootings' by toddlers. To be fair that's not the same as a death.

I think you get the general point however.

And who were the terrorists? How many we non American?

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes America has a gun issue. And that does not detract from terrorist attacks.

I assume it would add to it!

However 200 times more people are killed by texting while driving than terrorism. I'd have thought one would want to start at the top of the list and work down.

The point being made here the avoidance of doubt is America does not have nor is it likely to, have a terrorist problem based on immigration. It's all political smokescreens.

Still the man said he's do it, people voted and he did it, gotta give him some props there.

C. Montgomery Gurns

rachb wrote: »

How about the rape of a Swedish woman live on Facebook by immigrants they welcomed into their country?

I saw a post in regards to this where someone commented "typical Sweden, well done, what a kip you have become" and the reply went "how do you know it was foreigners?"

I'd actually love to meet this type of mug, and challenge them to bet their house on the perps being named Lars, Erik and Sven rather than Abdul, Mahmoud and Fayaz. Too chicken to put their money where their mouth is without a doubt.

rachb wrote: »

So all the terrorist attacks in Europe and the USA have been insignificant?
How about the sexual assaults on women in Germany on New Years Eve 2015 or the sexual assaults on women in Austria on New Years Eve 2016?
How about the rape of a Swedish woman live on Facebook by immigrants they welcomed into their country?

None are insignificant in and of themselves. They're all atrocious.

My point is that they statistically pale in comparison to what's already going on in these countries yet recieved disproportionately huge media emphasis.
Do you disagree with this?

Why spend huge resources to prevent rare occurances instead of focusing on more prevalent, home grown threats?

C. Montgomery Gurns

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

32 terrorist killings in 2016 I believe and 51 reported 'shootings' by toddlers. To be fair that's not the same as a death.

I think you get the general point however.

Wasn't there like 50 alone killed in the Orlando attack?

And with all due respect, a significant amount of people killed or wounded by gun wielding toddlers are their parents. Unlike the victims of terrorism, they deserve it for allowing their child near a gun.

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Wasn't there like 50 alone killed in the Orlando attack?

And with all due respect, a significant amount of people killed or wounded by gun wielding toddlers are their parents. Unlike the victims of terrorism, they deserve it for allowing their child near a gun.

But don't they have a right to protect themselves with a loaded gun in every kitchen cabinet from the terrorists?

C. Montgomery Gurns

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

But don't they have a right to protect themselves with a loaded gun in every kitchen cabinet from the terrorists?

As a Trump supporter I will be the first to admit that his gun control policy is ludicrous. It is probably the only policy of his I think is mental.

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

As a Trump supporter I will be the first to admit that his gun control policy is ludicrous. It is probably the only policy of his I think is mental.

So proportional responses aren't entirely crazy then?

The US doesn't need gun control, it needs ridiculous fear mongering control and a better mental health system.

lazybones32

I don't know Trump, I've never met him or had any contact with him but...<sob> I <sob>...but....<sob> I'm sorry, I can't go on...

That's okay. Your tears say more than any real evidence ever could.

lazybones32 wrote: »

I don't know Trump, I've never met him or had any contact with him but...<sob> I <sob>...but....<sob> I'm sorry, I can't go on...

That's okay. Your tears say more than any real evidence ever could.

Are not some of the things he does generally quite well reported?

I've never met Enda Kenny but I still think he's a twat.

Mirror game

degsie wrote: »

. The world seems a little less safe right now.

I wouldn't say the world! but I reckon major US cities could become dangerous, especially for those airing their extreme views to the public.

No harm either, it's about time this they found out that they don't "own the finish line"

eeguy wrote: »

None are insignificant in and of themselves. They're all atrocious.

My point is that they statistically pale in comparison to what's already going on in these countries yet recieved disproportionately huge media emphasis.
Do you disagree with this?

Why spend huge resources to prevent rare occurances instead of focusing on more prevalent, home grown threats?

No I don't disagree with you but no attack will ever compare to the 9/11 attack where nearly 3000 innocent people died in 1 attack. That was a rare occurance but it was the biggest terrorist attack in history.

Ferrari3600

Stravos Murphy wrote: »

We're going to build a wall from Dingle to Annascoul.

About time!!!

rachb wrote: »

No I don't disagree with you but no attack will ever compare to the 9/11 attack where nearly 3000 innocent people died in 1 attack. That was a rare occurance but it was the biggest terrorist attack in history.

And easily repeatable by parties that would never need to touch american soil.

rachb wrote: »

No I don't disagree with you but no attack will ever compare to the 9/11 attack where nearly 3000 innocent people died in 1 attack. That was a rare occurance but it was the biggest terrorist attack in history.

Very true. That attack was 16 years ago this year and it can still be felt in the way the US conducts itself.
My point is that rare events are blown way out of proportion and people tend to believe things are much worse than they are. Then you get huge generalisation of an entire subcontinent through the actions of a few.
Say for instance if we heard an Arabic community had totally ostracised a rape victim and supported the perpetrator. We'd say they're a backward people with no respect for women's rights and it would be blasted all over the news for a week.
That happened in Tralee in 2009. You wouldn't say that the people of Ireland are backwards by association but you see it applied to Middle Eastern people all the time.

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

I saw a post in regards to this where someone commented "typical Sweden, well done, what a kip you have become" and the reply went "how do you know it was foreigners?"

I'd actually love to meet this type of mug, and challenge them to bet their house on the perps being named Lars, Erik and Sven rather than Abdul, Mahmoud and Fayaz. Too chicken to put their money where their mouth is without a doubt.

Their faces say it all really, not that I have seen the absolutely disgusting video but I have seen their faces posted online on news pieces. Two Afghan migrants and a "Swedish"citizen but I'm waiting to be Politically Corrected on that!

rachb wrote: »

Their faces say it all really, not that I have seen the absolutely disgusting video but I have seen their faces posted online on news pieces. Two Afghan migrants and a "Swedish"citizen but I'm waiting to be Politically Corrected on that!

And how many rapes occur in Sweden annually? Are these attacks statistically outside what's expected?
If this attack could have been prevented by applying a blanket immigration ban, then how many of those thousands of destitute migrants would have suffered similar attacks or worse?

I'd never condone or excuse these attacks, I just feel like people are letting emotion and their own biases do the talking instead of the facts.

eeguy wrote: »

Very true. That attack was 16 years ago this year and it can still be felt in the way the US conducts itself.
My point is that rare events are blown way out of proportion and people tend to believe things are much worse than they are.
Say for instance if we heard an Arabic community had totally ostracised a rape victim and supported the perpetrator. We'd say they're a backward people with no respect for women's rights and it would be blasted all over the news for a week.
That happened in Tralee in 2009. You wouldn't say that the people of Ireland are backwards by association but you see it applied to Middle Eastern people all the time.

No I totally agree with you but I think our Catholic religion is slowly changing with the times(for the better thank god).
My point is that "rare" events are not blown out of proportion because it takes only 1/2/3 people etc to cause such an atrocity, where 100s or even 1000s can die from one such atrocity. So for every one thousand immigrants we let in, all it takes is 1 bad egg to kill 100 people.

Ps the point you made with the Arabic community ostracising a rape victim IS what is happening in mostly Muslin dominant countries. They treat women horribly as second class citizens and their religion needs to change with the times too. And until that happens I think a lot of people will be cautious to them.

Sweden is very difficult to quantify as they have a broad definition of rape.

Stats for Germany:

rape and aggravated sexual coercion (Sects. 177 (2, 3 and 4), 178 PC) (2015) 7,022 (2014) 7,345 (Differance) -323

No published stats for 2016 as far as I can see.