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Why Garda incompetence is acceptable?

Johnboner

Seriously the people screaming ''Oh who will you call when there is trouble?'' I had around 5 serious incidents where they are required and were called and never even bothered showing up and that is somehow acceptable? One of the accidents was where 5 cars were smashed in our housing estate during the period of 2 days. Guess what they were called, around 11pm and showed up in the morning around 9. But you know what I see when I go out in town? They sit in their vans or cars sometimes 2 of them at the same place sitting in their cars waiting for ''trouble'' while there is trouble happening elsewhere and you get absolutely no help. I just cannot stand people that defend the Gardai. Another thing is we get checkpoints everywhere for tax and insurance but when you actually really need help then forget it.

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Johnboner

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It would take a brave Garda to lie in court, imo. Not saying it doesn't happen, but all it would take is for that Garda to be caught out once, and the Judge will never believe them again. Yes, the courts are more likely to take the word of the Garda over the defendant, but it's the proof at the end of the day that counts. I never lied in court, too risky, and there should never be a need to lie, evidence should do the majority of the job.

Years ago the Guards bate the crap out of criminals, and i wonder was it respect or fear, or a combination of both, that they had? My father says respect, but respect stemming from fear of getting a slap. Nowadays, criminals are well aware that the law is on their side, and the Gardaí don't go around doling out beatings to criminals because they can't anymore. There is no respect anymore, imo. And dealing with people who genuinely hate you (for no other reason than being a Garda) is tiring. The "extra mile" is well gone at this stage. Work to rule is nearly the norm.

And what you see as not bothering could be many different reasons why it didn't get to court; lack of evidence, lack of witnesses, no witness co-operation... Just because it didn't get to court, doesn't mean the investigation wasn't done. Gardaí don't decide what gets to court, they just complete the investigation. Depending on the crime, either the local Super or the DPP decides what makes it to court.

Talking to a biased person is like trying to tell ISIS soldier that Allah does not exist.

Allinall

Johnboner wrote: »

Talking to a biased person is like trying to tell ISIS soldier that Allah does not exist.

Bloody cheek to call another poster biased.

Have a good look in the mirror.

kleefarr

[Rant]
Thought you were making a statement there..

"Why Garda incompetence is acceptable?" but then you ended with a ? Question Mark.

So it really should be "Why IS Garda incompetence acceptable?"

So which is it? A question or a statement?

If it's a statement then you have to pay attention to the formation of the sentence.
[/Rant]

corner of hells

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Talking to a biased person is like trying to tell ISIS soldier that Allah does not exist.[/quote]

I wonder how many times you've had any sort of interaction with Gardai , if you put your mind to it you could probably think of a few times when you noticed a Garda directing traffic at a crash or realised that they were first at a murder or fatal fire or went looking for missing persons.You might even have read about a Garda being spat at or bitten or maybe badly injured.

Maybe it's down to perception, without doubt your report of card being damaged is important to you but I suppose in the grand scheme of things it's not the end of the world.

Myself , I reported a missing person last month and Gardai turned up twice and followed up with calls.

I reckon through my own employment I deal with them about 50 times a year through face to face contact and then probably the same again by phone.

Almost without fail I've found them professional, emphatic and nine times out ten as prompt as possible.

Mr. FoggPatches

When I was a kid, we had an attempted break in. My mother called the shickles and 15 mins later, there were 2 uniformed guards, 4 armed guards and a search dog arrived later.
We are 10 mins hard driving from the nearest station.
Different people have different experiences is, I suppose, what I'm getting at.

Chancer3001

Tldr

Rararara the guards who have done special driving courses are allowed drive while using their phones.

Rararara they showed up in the morning instead of at night to a case that wasnt urgent at all.

Ratarara they think theyre so great

Rara i hate the guards.

Johnboner

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Tldr

Rararara the guards who have done special driving courses are allowed drive while using their phones.

Rararara they showed up in the morning instead of at night to a case that wasnt urgent at all.

Ratarara they think theyre so great

Rara i hate the guards.

You are an if you think that a gang of individuals going around the estates smashing cars is not urgent.

mcmananam1980

that ardai have more pressing things. they are under sourced and have many demands. i have found that ardai are okay when ther is trouble but not when there is little trouble. they can be very curteois and nice

corner of hells

Johnboner wrote: »

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Tldr

Rararara the guards who have done special driving courses are allowed drive while using their phones.

Rararara they showed up in the morning instead of at night to a case that wasnt urgent at all.

Ratarara they think theyre so great

Rara i hate the guards.

You are an if you think that a gang of individuals going around the estates smashing cars is not urgent.

I doubt anyone would say it's not urgent , it's more probable that calls are prioritised.

Potential-Monke

Johnboner wrote: »

You are an if you think that a gang of individuals going around the estates smashing cars is not urgent.

Depends on what else is happening. Yes, criminal damage is illegal and urgent, but not as urgent as a burglary in progress, a rape victim needed treatment/support, an assault in progress, dangerous driving in progress... What i'm getting at is; immediate threat to life>immediate threat to property.

Cee-Jay-Cee

OP I am 47 years old, I have lived in numerous locations in Dublin Sligo and Donegal and do you know how many times I've had to call the Gardai? None. You are probably considered a serial complainer and are ignored accordingly.

And for your info, Gardai you may see sitting in a car elsewhere may work in a different district and so have absolutely nothing to do with your area.

Do you bitch about other professions in the same way? Like if a plumber done a poor job for you and you were in town and seen a different plumbers van would you bitch about him because someone else did a poor job for you? If you answer yes then I was correct and you are a serial complainer. If you answer no then you are a prick who simply likes to tar everyone with the one brush regardless of ever having had dealings with that person or not.

mcmananam1980

I agree witn that last post. the garda have bigger fish to cook than to dela with minor issue such as the one mentioned. there is limited resources.

Goya

All I mostly hear in relation to the guards is whinging. The only time I hear good things is when someone has to deal with them and they do a very good job. Which does happen, despite those loath to admit it!

Vamp369

Johnboner wrote: »

One of the accidents was where 5 cars were smashed in our housing estate during the period of 2 days.

Couple of things on that:
1: No danger to the public so not urgent.
2: Why attend so late when they can go the next morning and see crime scene clearly?
3: Rather that responding directly, maybe then patrolled the area looking out for suspicious persons or vehicles?

If someone was breaking in to your house I'd bet the guards would be on scene very quickly. But when something minor has already happened, something that will be very difficult to tie to anyone unless you have excellent CCTV footage, there's no point rushing to get on scene ASAP.

Johnboner

Absolutely pathetic reading comments trying to justify it. Oh yes rapes and murders happening every night in some village of a country Hahaha what a joke. Pretending Ireland is some huge metropolis with districts even dublin itself is tiny compared to small towns in the UK if you put dublin in the uk it would rank like 30 or around that. Everything else outside if dublin is village sized even Cork, yep the enormous amount of districts to cover meaning no resources but have resources to send 20 Gards to check for tax and insurance.

Johnboner

Vamp369 wrote: »

Couple of things on that:
1: No danger to the public so not urgent.
2: Why attend so late when they can go the next morning and see crime scene clearly?
3: Rather that responding directly, maybe then patrolled the area looking out for suspicious persons or vehicles?

If someone was breaking in to your house I'd bet the guards would be on scene very quickly. But when something minor has already happened, something that will be very difficult to tie to anyone unless you have excellent CCTV footage, there's no point rushing to get on scene ASAP.

How is it not danger if it's in the process? Do you think you that criminals on drugs or drink will not try to attack you if you approach them??? Yep have to deal with all them murders and rapes which are so many in Ireland that happens every minute.

Johnboner

Goya wrote: »

All I ever hear in relation to the guards is whinging. The only time I hear good things is when someone has to deal with them and they do a very good job. Which does happen, despite those loath to admit it!

Whinging????? Have reasons for that ignorance is sign of the weak

Allinall

Of course guards at local level do what the hierarchy tell them. That's the way any we'll run organization works.

Are you advocating giving rank and file gardai carte blanche to do what they like?

And while you're there, you might elaborate on what you mean by "regular people".

mcmananam1980

it is not very nice to see such disrepect towards national police force
such discussions are not good, and should be disallowed

Johnboner

mcmananam1980 wrote: »

it is not very nice to see such disrepect towards national police force
such discussions are not good, and should be disallowed

I agree, mandatory death penalty for any offenders.

mcmananam1980

it is a flippant comment from you, okay?

But, I think there are certain things that are sacrosanct. we should not question police. they have ultimate authority. if we question, then we lose confidence in them, then what, anachy?

mcmananam1980

Power is power, no matter who, and cannot be questioning.
regardless of who is holding it, and inherently must be questioned. As of writing this, it seems safe to say that the biggest issues we face in our society today are things like racism, sexism, religious extremism, xenophobia, homophobia, and general intolerance. All of these problems have common roots, and that is a lack of societal change, and a fear of the new society. To more accurately see why societal change is important, however, and why authority must be questioned in order to solve modern society's biggest problems, we need to look at society over a longer period of time than just the last few decades that we often concern ourselves with.
Society and all of its facets, including the concepts of law, hierarchy, and authority, have been developed over thousands of years by humans seeking a more safe and just environment. It is safe to say that human social structure has evolved for the same reason that thousands of years earlier, our proto-human ancestors began walking on two feet. Human society allows every individual to be more productive, by allowing us to specialize and trade, and thus brought many people together to ensure the society's survival. These systems were built, however, off of fair and just interactions, which many people found quite early on that they could exploit for their own personal gain. Enter laws and power. Someone needed to make sure that these people were not permitted to rampage unchecked throughout the city. That someone would be an authority figure, someone who would be in charge of bringing criminals to justice. The problem with this system is that these authority figures now held all power, and could exploit the ideals of society themselves. Here is where questioning of authority comes in in it's most obvious form. Enough people questioned the leadership of the kings and queens and dictators they were paying taxes to that one of the most important advances in society was able to be created: democracy. No species would evolve new features or behaviors if there was no change in their environment, and similarly society cannot become more equal and just unless every aspect of it is questioned. Remember that questioning authority does not mean breaking it down. It means recognizing its problems and rectifying them in any way possible. Societal progress can only be achieved by those who are willing to seek out what is wrong with that which all others feel in their gut is right, and by those willing to both change and be changed, neither swaying to power nor denying reason.

Allinall

What did you get convicted of?

And if you've a conviction, then you're involved in crime, meaning you don't qualify as a regular person.

Or is everyone wrong except you?

corner of hells

Johnboner wrote: »

Absolutely pathetic reading comments trying to justify it. Oh yes rapes and murders happening every night in some village of a country Hahaha what a joke. Pretending Ireland is some huge metropolis with districts even dublin itself is tiny compared to small towns in the UK if you put dublin in the uk it would rank like 30 or around that. Everything else outside if dublin is village sized even Cork, yep the enormous amount of districts to cover meaning no resources but have resources to send 20 Gards to check for tax and insurance.

I think if you have a look back at the various posts some individuals are trying to point out calls are prioritised and are not dismissing you.

You're probably aware ,during the week in Lucan there was a murder , a relatated shooting and a fatal car accident all within twelve hours.
Let's say for arguments sake you were living in the area and your cars were vandalised that night , what would prioritise?

Most people I'd imagine do have genuine sympathy with your predicament.

mcmananam1980

this last post is very, very good

it is exactly - many crimes, garda must make priority to one, but not to others. if you are doctor, and you have two patients, one with a heat attack and one with cold, you treat the heart attack, not cold

same with garda, ok?

Temptamperu

This is what happens when you give culchies power.

Little CuChulainn

Johnboner wrote: »

No, I was never treated badly by the Gardai or got any kind of fine. It's just their lack of help that makes me angry. Since the criminals were not caught, I was forced to pay for the damages for my vehicle out of my own pocket and I didn't bother insurance as the quote would rise to the moon.

Do you think criminals have to pay for damage if they are caught?

Johnboner

mcmananam1980 wrote: »

this last post is very, very good

it is exactly - many crimes, garda must make priority to one, but not to others. if you are doctor, and you have two patients, one with a heat attack and one with cold, you treat the heart attack, not cold

same with garda, ok?

But the same Garda stays in the town center doing nothing, I checked the same night to confirm my suspicions. So tell me how is it justifiable? As I said I saw 2 garda vehicles the same night doing nothing.

Allinall

You have a wierd notion of what crime is.

Of course drink driving is a crime, and whether or not you're convicted of it, you're involved in crime.

What were you convicted of?

Ulysses Gaze

Temptamperu wrote: »

This is what happens when you give culchies power.

This is what happens when you don't hold civil servants accountable.

And give them guaranteed pensions and make it next to nigh impossible to get rid of them if they are not fit for purpose.