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Drug dealer gets just desserts or is that too harsh

CB19Kevo

Maybe just me,But i am finding it hard to have sympathy for the drug dealer killed by one of his customers while intimidating him over a drug debt.
Still think the sentence is far too lenient though,Carrying a knife says enough.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0119/846131-william-gilsenan-edward-fitzgerald/

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infogiver

Augeo wrote: »

I know/knew several drug dealers. Nice chaps if you ignore their jobs. Some now deceased, some in jail and some still about.

You can do wrong, very wrong and still be not the worst.

Selling addiction misery and possibly death to children? What's worse then that?
I'll tell you what's worse
Defending a drug dealer is worse

ScumLord

infogiver wrote: »

Everyone now accepts that if you choose to get involved in this criminality then you accept that you might get killed and your family will suffer in the process.

No they don't. This is only really happening in Dublin. We're probably talking about less than 200 people involved in these violent gangs. There isn't widespread murders happening around the country because of drug use. A few people in Dublin are getting away with murder so they keep murdering people.

harry Bailey esq

I've deleted a few posts,and ill bow out of the thread now out of respect for the family,whom ive known for decades.I won't see a young mans character torn apart like a pride of lions tearing into a fresh kill.

[Deleted User]

infogiver wrote: »

Selling addiction misery and possibly death to children? What's worse then that?
...............

Paedophiles, rapists, serial killers, granny bashers etc etc etc

infogiver wrote: »

Defending a drug dealer is worse

Not really bud but whatever you think yourself.

I don't recall defending them btw

Grayson

infogiver wrote: »

Selling addiction misery and possibly death to children? What's worse then that?
I'll tell you what's worse
Defending a drug dealer is worse

Most drugs aren't addictive and most users aren't addicts.
For the few drugs that are addictive, most drug dealers are actually users themselves. they sell small amounts to make enough to keep themselves in drugs.

Carlos Orange

"Gilsenan pulled out a knife and Mr Fitzgerald died after he was stabbed in the leg and the heart."

"The judge said he accepted the jury's finding that the killing was not deliberate and sentenced Gilsenan to six years in prison with two suspended."

Can killing someone by stabbing them in the heart not be deliberate?

Ted111

psinno wrote: »

Can killing someone by stabbing them in the heart not be deliberate?

It was at that moment, your honour, that he lunged at my hand with his chest. The very hand that contained the hunting knife I'd been eating my dinner with.

Murt10

Zaph wrote: »

Why just our government? Drugs are illegal in pretty much every country in the world. There's clearly a reason for that.

Yes, but the reason may not be what you think.

Take a look at the article below. The main opponents to legalising marijuana in the US according to this Guardian article is big pharma and the drinks industry. They don't want to lose market share.

Nobody is in any doubt that taking marijuana eases the MS pain and suffering. Does big pharma want sufferers to be able to grow their own marijuana. or buy it from a co-op or whatever. Of course they do not. They want the sufferers or the State to continue to shell out a fortune on drugs that are not nearly as effective, often making criminals out of people with the condition.

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/oct/22/recreational-marijuana-legalization-big-business

And another story. Big pharma is every bit as big a killer as the dealer on the street. The major drug companies knew fully well that they were selling far more painkillers than could possibly be needed in west Virginia. They kept on supplying the pharmacists, as they argued that it was not their job to notify the authorities as to what was going on.

As long as they were making more and more money from their deadly addictive drugs, they didn't give a rats ass. Just because they hide behind advertisements and lawyers doesn't make them any more respectable than a common or garden street junkie. Except that they will be hit with a relatively small fine and no one will go to prison.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/probe-780-million-painkillers-in-6-years-west-virginia/

Rant over. It really makes my blood boil.

infogiver

ScumLord wrote: »

No they don't. This is only really happening in Dublin. We're probably talking about less than 200 people involved in these violent gangs. There isn't widespread murders happening around the country because of drug use. A few people in Dublin are getting away with murder so they keep murdering people.

But except for 1 or 2 exceptions all of the murdered are involved in gangland activity.
If you steer clear of that world you won't end up getting shot

infogiver

Grayson wrote: »

Most drugs aren't addictive and most users aren't addicts.
For the few drugs that are addictive, most drug dealers are actually users themselves. they sell small amounts to make enough to keep themselves in drugs.

So do you think that excuses it? Tell that to the mother of the 16 year old she found dead in bed this week.

infogiver

Augeo wrote: »

Paedophiles, rapists, serial killers, granny bashers etc etc etc

Not really bud but whatever you think yourself.

I don't recall defending them btw

Whoever sold the poison to that young boy during the week is no better than any paedophile, sorry to burst your bubble

Steve012

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

A dealer dead and a scumbag off the streets for a few years...It's not ideal, but I'll take that

A small time dealer if anything.. That's a pretty heartless statement to make :rolleyes:

J Mysterio

I'm shocked the stabby scumbag only got 4 years for what sounds to me like premeditated murder. Should be life a life sentence.

C. Montgomery Gurns

Even funnier is the reaction to the death of the guy in Lucan the other night. I've seen FB comments decrying the evil mentality, how a group of men could be so callous as to band together to chase take down and take a man's life, to repeatedly run him over, that not one of them stopped this.

FFS the dead man opened fire in the dead of night on what presumably was the home of at least one of his attackers. :pac::pac: I'm not saying the lads in the house were saints. They likely were not. But there are plenty of good, honest, decent, law abiding individuals in this country who would knife someone to death without remorse if they attacked their home or their family, and more power to them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

infogiver wrote: »

So do you think that excuses it? Tell that to the mother of the 16 year old she found dead in bed this week.

Well, when you open with "selling misery and death to children" you're going to get corrected.

I was curious when I read the article: what was he selling, how much of it and to whom. None of that is mentioned. I mean, to go to the oppsite end of the scale, you could argue that a publican selling a beer to a 17-year-old is technically selling an addictive drug to a child.

Ronaldinho

Live by the sword die by the sword.

I would add that 4 years jailtime is a joke of a sentance for killing someone.

infogiver

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well, when you open with "selling misery and death to children" you're going to get corrected.

I was curious when I read the article: what was he selling, how much of it and to whom. None of that is mentioned. I mean, to go to the oppsite end of the scale, you could argue that a publican selling a beer to a 17-year-old is technically selling an addictive drug to a child.

"Look over here at pubs selling drink!"

Grandeeod

Deleted User wrote: »

Legalise drugs to take this **** out of criminals hands altogether

Cigarettes are legal. The Government puts the price up and criminal elements take over and peddle cheaper cigarettes. Bottom line here is that its in the states best interests to keep the drug show on the road. Lots of money for the legal system to keep them in business. A bit like crime in general. Crime pays...for the legal system.

Drugs and crime in general could be wiped out/seriously reduced, if we wanted to. But how many solicitors, barristers and judges would be out of work. No tinfoil hat on, but honestly, just think about it.

bucketybuck

Grandeeod wrote: »

Drugs and crime in general could be wiped out/seriously reduced, if we wanted to. But how many solicitors, barristers and judges would be out of work. No tinfoil hat on, but honestly, just think about it.

Looks like a tinfoil hat to me.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

infogiver wrote: »

"Look over here at pubs selling drink!"

Exactly! Never understood the "my drug should be legal, all the others should be banned, no matter how safe and/or additvie it is" ****ed up mentality.

Grandeeod

bucketybuck wrote: »

Looks like a tinfoil hat to me.

You won't be the first or last with that opinion as its an easy way out and requires much thought and analysis. But the point still stands right down to the most mickey mouse crime.

bucketybuck

Grandeeod wrote: »

You won't be the first or last with that opinion as its an easy way out and requires much thought and analysis. But the point still stands right down to the most mickey mouse crime.

I also remember those happy crime free days before the Magna Carta. :pac:

[Deleted User]

infogiver wrote: »

Whoever sold the poison to that young boy during the week is no better than any paedophile, sorry to burst your bubble

Haha..... your in the bubble bud.

Grandeeod

bucketybuck wrote: »

I also remember those happy crime free days before the Magna Carta. :pac:

I doubt you remember the 80s. Best of luck kiddo!:pac:

Goya

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

I've deleted a few posts,and ill bow out of the thread now out of respect for the family,whom ive known for decades.I won't see a young mans character torn apart like a pride of lions tearing into a fresh kill.

Ah here, you say "young man's character" as if he did nothing wrong. He was a drug dealer and he intimidated someone over €100.

That said, people making him out to be someone who could not possibly be worse are going too far in the other extreme. Plus, if you owe money to a drug dealer, they will likely get pee'd off. The other guy should have known that.

And normally I would be one of the first to disagree with blaming the government instead of taking personal responsibility, but I do think decriminalising recreational drugs would help alleviate some of the problems associated with them - the criminal element for one; and the drugs would be prepared in a safe, regulated environment. But in fairness, the present criminalisation of drugs is not just down to the present government.

bucketybuck

Grandeeod wrote: »

I doubt you remember the 80s. Best of luck kiddo!:pac:

I remember all of the 80's, start to finish unfortunately. But if it pleases you to think that everybody else is some young sheeple who can't see how the chains of society bound us all so tightly then more power to you, it must be such a struggle to see so much and yet have no equal with which to share.

Also, a drug dealer got killed menacing money, is that considered an industrial accident?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

bucketybuck wrote: »

Also, a drug dealer got killed menacing money, is that considered an industrial accident?

Terry Pratchett would have called it "natural causes".

Robineen

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I would put the blame on our Government. Pointless prohibition. People like drugs, we need to accept that.

Deleted User wrote: »

Legalise drugs to take this **** out of criminals hands altogether

I'm not opposed to legalisation of drugs but, lads, there will always be criminals. A certain class of person had no interest in an honest living but still wants a cushy lifestyle. These people won't go away just because drugs have been legalised.

whisky_galore

Whatever you might think about those involved...at €100, life is cheap...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Robineen wrote: »

I'm not opposed to legalisation of drugs but, lads, there will always be criminals. A certain class of person had no interest in an honest living but still wants a cushy lifestyle. These people won't go away just because drugs have been legalised.

Then this isn't a drugs issue. He might as well have been selling fireworks or cigarettes.