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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Jimmy Garlic

He has to be one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known, not just a stuffed suit like his wooden American counterpart. His steadfast resolve in the face of a proxy war being waged in Ukraine has to be admired, a war that would never have happened if billions weren't poured into Ukraine to kickstart a coup.

Like him or loathe him there is no doubt that Vladimir Putin is a very shrewd operator who is consistently one step ahead of the game.

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Gatling

conditioned games wrote: »

What I do want is a president that freely speaks their mind and tells the truth rather than being controlled by handlers telling lies to the people .

If Trump like Obama does a bad job as president then he too should be called out on it

Have you called Putin out on his lies at all no,
I keep reading We and I ,
But your not American not likely Russian so why would it actually matter what you want exactly

conditioned games

Over the next number of years I expect to see another crisis much worse than the last regardless who is president. They have tried to inflate the markets by artificial stimulus for the last 8yrs and like all manipulation it eventually breaks and swings in reverse.

What I do want is a president that freely speaks their mind and tells the truth rather than being controlled by handlers telling lies to the people all the time, saying the economy is great, we must start war with Russia, there is no drug problem in America, middle class are doing great etc... If Trump like Obama does a bad job as president then he too should be called out on it

PopePalpatine

conditioned games wrote: »

Obama has definitely been one of the worst American presidents. I don't get how blaming lack of control of both houses for his failures. He blatantly told lies on camera and was a lap dog for the establishment. The middle class has continued to suffer under Obama while the top 1% has got wealthier. Now we're left with a debt and dollar bubble ready to pop.

Where do you think the 1%'s money they've saved thanks to the GOP's planned tax cuts for them will go? Will they suddenly ramp up charitable donations? Will they f*ck!

Not to mention that the GOP's budget will add trillions more to the debt:

conditioned games

He promised people hope, remember all those large crowds of people that thought he would be different. I don't get how some people have been conned by him so much. I think it's because of the wide smile he can get away with telling people a narrative that's far removed from reality. Yes he has been like other politicians but for a whole 8yrs the country is in a much worse place now than prior to the collapse of the real estate in 2008 and he should be called out on it.

conditioned games

twinytwo

conditioned games wrote: »

Obama has definitely been one of the worst American presidents. I don't get how blaming lack of control of both houses for his failures. He blatantly told lies on camera and was a lap dog for the establishment. The middle class has continued to suffer under Obama while the top 1% has got wealthier. Now we're left with a debt and dollar bubble ready to pop.

So just like more or less every other president/pm globally then?

You do know that is how the world works right? has done for the last 80 years.

conditioned games

Obama has definitely been one of the worst American presidents. I don't get how blaming lack of control of both houses for his failures. He blatantly told lies on camera and was a lap dog for the establishment. The middle class has continued to suffer under Obama while the top 1% has got wealthier. Now we're left with a debt and dollar bubble ready to pop.

twinytwo

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

Obama was at least predictable. That made things relatively easy for Putin on the international stage.

Obama was never going to involved US ground troops in another war. At least not to any great degree.
The US lost fewer ground troops under Obama then under any of his immediate predecessors.

On it's own, that is a good achievement.

Unfortunately it came at a cost. No point in being the world's super power if you don't intend to use that power. When it became clear that he wouldn't use that power, the US lost much of it's influence in many quarters.

God knows what Trump will be like, domestically or internationally. Putin seems to think he will be manageable, I hope he is right.

I don't know what you expect?

For all the talk... America and Russia are never going to face off. Id be more concerned about the lack of action by European countries. They always expect america to stand up.. but never willing to do it themselves/

conditioned games

Let me guess you think he now likes men because you have an irrational dislike of him from too much western media exposure

twinytwo

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Another win for Putin, the shrewdest leader of modern times. He has really shon a light on the petty vindictiveness of Obama and his handlers. Obama will go down in history as being one of the most useless and inept presidents in US history. Thankfully Putin has a level head and hasn't overreacted to the various provocations and black propaganda that Obama and friends have aimed at Russia. A couple more weeks of Barack Obama then good riddance. That will be a good start to the new year:)

That is an over simplistic view though. Russia and america are completely different places.

Putin rules Russia with an iron fist.

Obama was hamstrung by not having control of the houses. I think there was only one year during Obama's tenure that the democrats had control of both congress and HOR?

Personally Id consider Obama to have been the best president america had since JFK.. especially consider what came before and what is coming after him.

Gatling

Must have moved on from young gymnasts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E59ytBw6_qw

conditioned games

cnocbui wrote: »

He ought to know, he's ditched the gymnast after she's produced some Putin offsprings and has moved on to a 23 year old bimbo.

Rinse and repeat.

Nope he's still with the gymnast, meant to be very happy together

cnocbui

He ought to know, he's ditched the gymnast after she's produced some Putin offsprings and has moved on to a 23 year old bimbo.

Rinse and repeat.

snubbleste

He says that Russia has the best ladies of reduced social responsibility.
Well done, Vlad.

1st dalkey dalkey

KingBrian2 wrote: »

What you use that power for is crucial. Going around destabilizing regions around the world is only going to make more Nations worry about America's role in the world.

My point exactly.

Obama used his power badly, or more precisely he failed to use it correctly. He was more interested in withdrawing American troops from wars then in any other effort.

It is one thing to get involved in a war. But once involved, for right or wrong, it is incumbent on all to have a proper exit strategy. To totally destabilise Afghanistan and Iraq and then just walk away was wrong.

To be fair to him, he did not start either of those wars. But he did pull his troops out for home town political reasons without any proper exit strategy.

Putin was cute enough to not deploy ground troops in Syria. It is as much a quagmire as either Afghanistan or Iraq and he is old enough to remember Russia's last attempt in Afghanistan.

We might be looking at the new norm in warfare. Smart bombs versus suicide bombs.

Jimmy Garlic

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

Obama was at least predictable. That made things relatively easy for Putin on the international stage.

Obama was never going to involved US ground troops in another war. At least not to any great degree.
The US lost fewer ground troops under Obama then under any of his immediate predecessors.

The Brzezinski formula was used on Obamas watch.Engineered coups, proxy armies, and playing different factions off against one another.

Bush Jr used the Kissinger formula, which is direct military action.

KingBrian2

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

Obama was at least predictable. That made things relatively easy for Putin on the international stage.

Obama was never going to involved US ground troops in another war. At least not to any great degree.
The US lost fewer ground troops under Obama then under any of his immediate predecessors.

On it's own, that is a good achievement.

Unfortunately it came at a cost. No point in being the world's super power if you don't intend to use that power. When it became clear that he wouldn't use that power, the US lost much of it's influence in many quarters.

God knows what Trump will be like, domestically or internationally. Putin seems to think he will be manageable, I hope he is right.

What you use that power for is crucial. Going around destabilizing regions around the world is only going to make more Nations worry about America's role in the world.

1st dalkey dalkey

Obama was at least predictable. That made things relatively easy for Putin on the international stage.

Obama was never going to involved US ground troops in another war. At least not to any great degree.
The US lost fewer ground troops under Obama then under any of his immediate predecessors.

On it's own, that is a good achievement.

Unfortunately it came at a cost. No point in being the world's super power if you don't intend to use that power. When it became clear that he wouldn't use that power, the US lost much of it's influence in many quarters.

God knows what Trump will be like, domestically or internationally. Putin seems to think he will be manageable, I hope he is right.

Jimmy Garlic

Lackey wrote: »

Putin's reaction to Obama throwing 35 Russian diplomats out of America was classic.

After being advised to throw 35 American diplomats out of Russia in response......

He invited the children of American diplomats in Russia to a big party in The Kremlin. Said he would never want to damage relations by stooping to low levels, AND......wished Obama and his family and all of America a happy new year

Classic.

Another win for Putin, the shrewdest leader of modern times. He has really shon a light on the petty vindictiveness of Obama and his handlers. Obama will go down in history as being one of the most useless and inept presidents in US history. Thankfully Putin has a level head and hasn't overreacted to the various provocations and black propaganda that Obama and friends have aimed at Russia. A couple more weeks of Barack Obama then good riddance. That will be a good start to the new year:)

1st dalkey dalkey

The US is a very divided place. The election just passed showed that to the world. How can a country with such internal division hope to lead the world? America needs a few years of isolation and introspection to sort itself out.

Russia had a hard time after the fall of communism. It's people, the ordinary people, suffered greatly when the jobs and social supports disappeared under the new capitalism. Putin has stabilised matters for them, despite the crash in oil income.

Of course he is popular with them. He is also cute enough to deal with anyone he needs to.

He has struck a deal with OPEC (led by Saudi Arabia, his enemy in Syria) in order to stop the collapse in oil revenue in Russia, thereby again improving Russia's finances and it's ability to look after it's people. He has done a deal with Turkey (who shot down one of his planes in Syria) in an effort to bring an end to the war in Syria. He has done deals with China on oil and currency that free both from the $ grip on the oil trade. China no longer needs to buy vast amounts of dollars to fund it's oil from Russia, paying instead in Yuan which is used in bilateral trade between them.

Putin is long enough around to know that he cannot rule the world. But he can do deals which will make life better for his people and in the process ensure his own legacy as the best Russian leader in centuries. He will deal with Trump, Merkel, May and anyone else if he feels there is some plus in it for Russia.

ebbsy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Lackey wrote: »

Putin's reaction to Obama throwing 35 Russian diplomats out of America was classic.

After being advised to throw 35 American diplomats out of Russia in response......

He invited the children of American diplomats in Russia to a big party in The Kremlin. Said he would never want to damage relations by stooping to low levels, AND......wished Obama and his family and all of America a happy new year

Classic.

Just watched the RTE News here and according to them, Putin said he's basically gonna sit tight till Trump takes office at this stage. Trump for his part has tweeted his support of Putin's restraint to Obama's move.

Does seem odd that the outgoing US administration would seek to poke the bear in it's last few weeks of office - surely they're not so stupid / petty as to try and raise tensions just to get at Trump?

They are having a poke - except all they are doing is making even bigger gob****es out of themselves. If that's possible.

B_Wayne

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Just watched the RTE News here and according to them, Putin said he's basically gonna sit tight till Trump takes office at this stage. Trump for his part has tweeted his support of Putin's restraint to Obama's move.

Does seem odd that the outgoing US administration would seek to poke the bear in it's last few weeks of office - surely they're not so stupid / petty as to try and raise tensions just to get at Trump?

There's GOP support for the current sanctions so there's very much so due cause to take this stance and supported by both sides.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-ryan-welcomes-obamas-overdue-russia-retaliation-202743095.html

_Kaiser_

Lackey wrote: »

Putin's reaction to Obama throwing 35 Russian diplomats out of America was classic.

After being advised to throw 35 American diplomats out of Russia in response......

He invited the children of American diplomats in Russia to a big party in The Kremlin. Said he would never want to damage relations by stooping to low levels, AND......wished Obama and his family and all of America a happy new year

Classic.

Just watched the RTE News here and according to them, Putin said he's basically gonna sit tight till Trump takes office at this stage. Trump for his part has tweeted his support of Putin's restraint to Obama's move.

Does seem odd that the outgoing US administration would seek to poke the bear in it's last few weeks of office - surely they're not so stupid / petty as to try and raise tensions just to get at Trump?

Lackey

Putin's reaction to Obama throwing 35 Russian diplomats out of America was classic.

After being advised to throw 35 American diplomats out of Russia in response......

He invited the children of American diplomats in Russia to a big party in The Kremlin. Said he would never want to damage relations by stooping to low levels, AND......wished Obama and his family and all of America a happy new year

Classic.

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

They have just found a **** ton of weapons in Syria which were supplied by the United States. Obama was arming terrorists and the world doesn't know about it. Scandalous, he should be on trial for it.

And those weapons weren't taken from Iraq when ISIS invaded? The whole Iraqi army fled and left all their american weapons behind.

badabing106

The Boss on the left, a poodle on the right

A Little Pony

They have just found a **** ton of weapons in Syria which were supplied by the United States. Obama was arming terrorists and the world doesn't know about it. Scandalous, he should be on trial for it.

B_Wayne

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

What? You're "concerned" about gay rights in Russia but couldn't give a damn about gay rights in other countries that are the biggest offenders.
That's hypocrisy of the highest order as far as I'm concerned!

That would be you making a very bizarre assumption. In fact, in every post I've pointed out that I object to any regimes that treat the lgbt community as second class citizens. It's an abuse of human rights .

Doesn't matter if it's US states engaging in transphobic lawmaking, Saudi Arabia executing or flogging gay people. I view all the above as systemic hatred and abuse of the lgbt community. However I will not give Russia a free pass as you appear to be doing. In fact you appear to wish to give anything that relates to Putin a free pass.

So nope I'm not hypocritical and that you are actively condoning human rights abuses. Your logic is that there is worse regimes. That does not make human rights abuses as acceptable in one instance as they're not as bad.

Grayson

XsApollo wrote: »

Is anybody negating that fact, I think people are more questioning the fact of all the negativity that the country and Putin gets on their policies in our media and by people over this side of the world.

Why is Russia being singled out by our media and leaders, where as if they really gave a damn there are worse places and things closer to home to sort out first no?

There is a serious push by the United States and Europe to paint them as some lunatics , scaremongering to justify war spending and missile shields and more US military presence closer to them, which any person could see why that would piss them off.

Things will get real soon when there has been enough media and scaremongering to justify the United States planting more shields around Europe and close to Russia, because Russia won't tolerate that and rightly so , the same way the US wouldn't tolerate missile in Cuba or anywhere near their country.

Hopefully Trump comes good on his word of better relations with Russia so we can all see this hype and bullsh*t for what it really is.

Because they invaded another European country? They've launched cyber attacks against other countries? They're waging a proxy war in a European country?

Elmer Blooker

B_Wayne wrote: »

Yep it seems bizarrely like both posters virtually ignored everything I said.

What? You're "concerned" about gay rights in Russia but couldn't give a damn about gay rights in other countries that are the biggest offenders.
That's hypocrisy of the highest order as far as I'm concerned!

Why is Russia being singled out by our media and leaders, where as if they really gave a damn there are worse places and things closer to home to sort out first no?

There are so called journalists who job it is to dig up as much dirt as possible about Russia, whether it's true or not is irrelevant as most people are incapable of questioning what they are told by the media.