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New Proposed Sheep Scheme

paddysdream

Surprised to find no one has mentioned the proposals for the new sheep scheme.Are the returns from sheep so good this year that it's slipped past everyone?

Looking at the options its hard not to feel that the thinking behind this (and many other schemes)is to give to the farmer and make him spend it on products and/or services that benefit the wider agri related industry.Kind of a green money laundering scheme.

Now in fairness the proposed options are not the most onerous but its the thinking behind them rather than the actual options themselves that I find a problem.Are many of these schemes planned to support farmers or, like the farm building grants of the celtic tiger era,mainly to benefit those that farmers buy from?

On an unrelated but similarly depressing theme,many on here finding that lamb thrive and kill out is pretty poor this year?Every single farmer that I have met over the last two months has the same complaint ie lambs not putting on flesh and/or killing out anything from one half to a full kilo under normal given similar live weight too last year.

Thats about my quota of depression for today thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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cuculainn

I thought you could apply for this online. was i wrong? i cant find it on agfood?

ganmo

rangler1 wrote: »

All feed merchants have to be licensed, he wouldn't be allowed do it otherwise

all animal feed (except dog+cat food) has to be sold through registered organisations. their number should be on receipts + invoices with the manufacturers number on the declaration label

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

All feed merchants have to be licensed, he wouldn't be allowed do it otherwise

I put 100 ewe lambs to ram in 15. 88 of which lambs last year. All excempt. Fock it!!!

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

I was rooting around the website earlier and believe it or not you've to buy them off an approved retailer as well. The old boy I buy mine off is a small one man show that who sells them out of his delivery van, but there his name was up there amoungst all the big boys ie dairygolds and glanbia's. So make sure you've a receipt from a approved retailer as well !!!

All feed merchants have to be licensed, he wouldn't be allowed do it otherwise

Green farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

All minerals are approved but you have to make sure you buy enough for your flock for sixty days, if it doesn't say that on the container, buy something else, and get a receipt specifying what you've bought

I was rooting around the website earlier and believe it or not you've to buy them off an approved retailer as well. The old boy I buy mine off is a small one man show that who sells them out of his delivery van, but there his name was up there amoungst all the big boys ie dairygolds and glanbia's. So make sure you've a receipt from a approved retailer as well !!!

rangler1

BannerBarry wrote: »

Where can I get a list of approved suppliers for the Mineral Supplementation would anyone know?

All minerals are approved but you have to make sure you buy enough for your flock for sixty days, if it doesn't say that on the container, buy something else, and get a receipt specifying what you've bought

Green farmer

BannerBarry wrote: »

Where can I get a list of approved suppliers for the Mineral Supplementation would anyone know?

A list is up on the department website

BannerBarry

Where can I get a list of approved suppliers for the Mineral Supplementation would anyone know?

tom_k

Sami23 wrote: »

That's why I was asking if the flystrike control action was for ewes or lambs ?

The first line in the record book for this action states that "Faecal matter can build up around a lambs' hindquarter...." - this would suggest that the measure is applicable to lambs. The actions required are to be carried out between June 1st and Sept 30th when most adult sheep will have been shorn therefore unlikely to require dagging, this is my own opinion. Whether ewes should be included in the book is another question, perhaps yes for safety's sake?

Sami23 wrote: »

For the mineral supplementation post mating will the likes of Growvite or Thriver be acceptable for the scheme ?

As rangler said the coverage of these types of supplement will be far less than the 60 days required, to achieve compliance using only these products would require penning and handling during the mating and early pregnacy stages which most would consider unwise.

Green farmer wrote: »

Was reading the fly strike, says you've to use mechanical as well as chemicals, to remove daggs, wonder does that mean you'd have to have a clipping machine ? Or could you just use a hand clippers to remove the odd dagg ?

Hand shears/clippers is fine as confirmed at the meeting i attended.

Nekarsulm

Ssheep welfare scheme
Dept. Ag
Government buildings
Old Abbeyleix rd.
Portlaoise
Co. Laois

Green farmer

Anyone have the postal address we're to send off the form to ? Mislaid mine or can it be submitted online through agfood ?

Sami23

Green farmer wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

Quick one on the Flystrike Control action for lowland flocks.
Is it for lambs or ewes or both that it has to be carried out on do ye know ?
Thanks

Was reading the fly strike, says you've to use mechanical as well as chemicals, to remove daggs, wonder does that mean you'd have to have a clipping machine ? Or could you just use a hand clippers to remove the odd dagg ?

Yes hand shears would be fine. You have to inspect them twice during summer and dagg dirty ones.

Green farmer

Sami23 wrote: »

Quick one on the Flystrike Control action for lowland flocks.
Is it for lambs or ewes or both that it has to be carried out on do ye know ?
Thanks

Was reading the fly strike, says you've to use mechanical as well as chemicals, to remove daggs, wonder does that mean you'd have to have a clipping machine ? Or could you just use a hand clippers to remove the odd dagg ?

rangler1

Sami23 wrote: »

For the mineral supplementation post mating will the likes of Growvite or Thriver be acceptable for the scheme ?

My own opinion is that the growvite only last few weeks, You're supposed to cover the ewes for 60 days.

Sami23

For the mineral supplementation post mating will the likes of Growvite or Thriver be acceptable for the scheme ?

Sami23

roosky wrote: »

rangler1 wrote: »

every task chosen has to be carried out across the whole flock

the minerals is only to ewes and the fecal sampling is only lambs

That's why I was asking if the flystrike control action was for ewes or lambs ?

roosky

rangler1 wrote: »

every task chosen has to be carried out across the whole flock

the minerals is only to ewes and the fecal sampling is only lambs

rangler1

Sami23 wrote: »

Was anything like this asked last night rangler1

every task chosen has to be carried out across the whole flock

Sami23

Sami23 wrote: »

Quick one on the Flystrike Control action for lowland flocks.
Is it for lambs or ewes or both that it has to be carried out on do ye know ?
Thanks

Was anything like this asked last night rangler1

rangler1

Good meeting last night in Athlone, anyone there, a bit of point scoring against the department guys from the back of the crowd at the end, it's a good scheme, everyone should try to take avantage

Sami23

Quick one on the Flystrike Control action for lowland flocks.
Is it for lambs or ewes or both that it has to be carried out on do ye know ?
Thanks

razor8

rangler1 wrote: »

Just read the Ts and Cs, boluses can be given 7 - 10 days before putting in the ram

i only bolus pre-lambing and drench pre mating, not hard to give them a cheap cobalt drench mid pregnancy

MayoAreMagic

Id be cautious as regards the mineral dosing at mating for hill flocks. It will result in a number of ewes having twins that aren't capable of maintaining them on the hill. It might be a good idea if you have lowland grass that can maintain them for the spring and summer, but for any guys who let them back to the hills it could end up being a nightmare, i.e. higher losses in both sheep and lambs, a lot more runt lambs and ewes being in poor condition going to the ram the following year... Sheep welfare?

A far more suitable option for hill flocks would be supplementation in mid to late pregnancy

adam14

charolais0153 wrote:

If you scanned 345 lambs from your 209 ewes let's say but you only sell 320 lambs and have none in your census.what are you going to say about 25 lambs that aren't there...fox,abortion... Legally doesn't knackery have to take dead lamb

Our knackery takes a bag of them for a fiver with a dead ewe

charolais0153

If you scanned 345 lambs from your 209 ewes let's say but you only sell 320 lambs and have none in your census.what are you going to say about 25 lambs that aren't there...fox,abortion...
Legally doesn't knackery have to take dead lamb

Nekarsulm

Thursday night in Carrick on Shannon. Staff there from 7pm onwards. Landmark Hoitel. Meeting starts at 8pm.

rangler1

Information meeting tomorrow night in Athlone

Bleating Lamb

rangler1 wrote: »

Why not bolus them before the ram goes out with them, I'd always bolus them a month before putting out the ram so that any deficiencies would be addressed before mating

That's my point,we give mineral drench pre mating,surely that would have made a lot more sense from an animal welfare point of view than rounding up stressed ewes when ram is out with them?

paddysdream

razor8 wrote: »

Think the terms and conditions state post mating rather than pre mating which is very strange

Not really as the "thinking" behind it is that most people use mineral supplementation pre mating so the idea is to get people to do something which they normally don't.
No one seems to be clear as to what is or will be a correct amount or vector which may leave it open to interpetation.
Sales dockets will probably be the only means of testing compliance for this.
Not complaining re the ten euro but all these schemes seem to be a great way of handing out money to farmers and then getting us to distribute it amongst the wider community.

rangler1

razor8 wrote: »

Think the terms and conditions state post mating rather than pre mating which is very strange

Just read the Ts and Cs, boluses can be given 7 - 10 days before putting in the ram