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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 3.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.

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Any "Do you even train Bro?" or "I'm an mma fan longer than you" type posts are not permitted either. They only make you look like a fool and as a result, everyone hates you. Yes everyone.

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BOHtox

Is there no UFC 205 ppv numbers?

rob316

darced wrote: »

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On paper it was a bad card and the main event changed at the last minute. Some great fights though, the Cub and Choi fight was worth it alone. At what $70 a buy many fans probably kept their money for 207 so gave this one a miss.

1.1m buys for UFC 207 but Ronda gone now too, the only chance they will be bringing in big numbers is with Conor.

Tinie

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Precisely. This is one of the things a lot of MMA fans throw out there and accept as gospel. "Fastest growing sport in the world" etc. What evidence is there for any of it?!

Cos Dana White said so.

Mellor

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Precisely. This is one of the things a lot of MMA fans throw out there and accept as gospel. "Fastest growing sport in the world" etc. What evidence is there for any of it?!

It was at one point, probably.
But not a hope anymore.

Then again, what's the metric for fastest growing?

EagererBeaver

Mellor wrote: »

Pass out how? By what metric?
In terms of spectators it might be close out side of an Olympic year. Not remotely close in terms of participants, at a guess.

Precisely. This is one of the things a lot of MMA fans throw out there and accept as gospel. "Fastest growing sport in the world" etc. What evidence is there for any of it?!

Mellor

Buffalobill29 wrote: »

MMA will soon pass out other combat sports in Europe.

Pass out how? By what metric?
In terms of spectators it might be close out side of an Olympic year. Not remotely close in terms of participants, at a guess.

wonderfullife

CatFromHue wrote: »

I think it just reinforces how thin skinned some in the MMA community are about MMA.

Dana White calling Streep "an uppity 80 year-old" (she's 67) isn't exactly an inspiring response.

Sure, the demographic who look up to Streep are likely not what the UFC are aiming at but they equally could be mothers, grandmothers, fathers, grandfathers of kids the UFC will actually be aiming at and it's hardly going to make them want to splash out $60 for their teenager on the next PPV.

Meh. Negligible impact when all is said and done but just all seems so childish. Then again, he did stump for a man-child at the Republican Convention who is now the next President. :rolleyes:

Buffalobill29

Saipanne wrote: »

Im not in the MMA community myself, but I'd imagine it gets very tiresome to constantly be told:

"It's not a real sport"

"Little more than dog fighting"

"There's no skill"

And so on. If I trained in MMA and had a real passion for it, those constant flow of comments would get on my nerves.

MMA will soon pass out other combat sports in Europe.

Saipanne

CatFromHue wrote: »

I think it just reinforces how thin skinned some in the MMA community are about MMA.

Im not in the MMA community myself, but I'd imagine it gets very tiresome to constantly be told:

"It's not a real sport"

"Little more than dog fighting"

"There's no skill"

And so on. If I trained in MMA and had a real passion for it, those constant flow of comments would get on my nerves.

CatFromHue

I think it just reinforces how thin skinned some in the MMA community are about MMA.

wonderfullife

Lukker- wrote: »

Take the high road. Getting into sh*t throwing fights with celebrities isn't going to do the sport any good, other than gratifying the hardcore fans.

I honestly think she just used MMA because it ends in "Arts" and transitioned into her next point. If the last word in GAA was "Arts" she'd probably have googled it and used that lol.

Doubt she has anything against football or MMA to be fair.

Lukker-

wonderfullife wrote: »

peaked at 5.1 million. Crazy good numbers but as Dana said there's literally fcuk all to watch on Christmas Eve. Same old Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Home Alone etc.

What do we make of Meryl Streep? I see JK is having a pop at her on Twitter calling her a multi-millionaire celebrity with no humility. Which, of course, is drawing some ironic replies.

Take the high road. Getting into sh*t throwing fights with celebrities isn't going to do the sport any good, other than gratifying the hardcore fans.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

Was the replay on Christmas eve or day I was thinking about, they replayed 206 and the numbers were crazy I remember reading, different thing that ppv buy but a lot seen Holloway then can only be positive.

peaked at 5.1 million. Crazy good numbers but as Dana said there's literally fcuk all to watch on Christmas Eve. Same old Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Home Alone etc.

What do we make of Meryl Streep? I see JK is having a pop at her on Twitter calling her a multi-millionaire celebrity with no humility. Which, of course, is drawing some ironic replies.

Gamebred

Was the replay on Christmas eve or day I was thinking about, they replayed 206 and the numbers were crazy I remember reading, different thing that ppv buy but a lot seen Holloway then can only be positive.

John_D80

darced wrote: »

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Wow that is shocking bad in fairness. I wasn't expecting any more than half a mil, 650,000 tops, but thats very bad.

John_D80

Tripp Modern Self-sacrifice wrote: »

I honestly think the current trend of "superfights" is only going to last so long. People are going to lose interest in seeing pointless, irrelevant fight quite quickly, give it two years and I'm fairly confident the UFC will be back to how it was in the past.

TO be fair I dont see how the so called ''superfights'' are pointeless and irrelevant. They put an entirely new dimension on a division. I love the notion of champions from different weight classes fighting each other.

McGregor/Woodley
Woodley/Bisping
Cormier/Miocic
Cody/Aldo
DJ/Cody

All fights I would love love love to see.

darced

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Gamebred

Tripp Modern Self-sacrifice wrote: »

I honestly think the current trend of "superfights" is only going to last so long. People are going to lose interest in seeing pointless, irrelevant fight quite quickly, give it two years and I'm fairly confident the UFC will be back to how it was in the past.

We have been given 1 I can count of though so they havent even started, McGregor Alvarez is all I can think of.

0byme75341jo28

I honestly think the current trend of "superfights" is only going to last so long. People are going to lose interest in seeing pointless, irrelevant fight quite quickly, give it two years and I'm fairly confident the UFC will be back to how it was in the past.

Gamebred

Holloway would be a great fight to make after he gets past Aldo, he is a proven draw too didnt 206 do good numbers ppv wise? a good stylistic match up for Conor although I would bet my house hes wanting the hardest fight Khalabib or Woodley being the competitor he is.

califano

Dont overlook Max Holloway. Hes probably the most improved fighter in the ufc and has gone on a 10 fight win streak after their first fight went the distance. If not the next fight i can see this fight as one of McGregors next 3 fights. Holloway will be fighting at lightweight by then or just for that fight.
I can see the weight class thing being dumbed down a bit more under the new ufc management and their focus will be geared more on creating match ups rather than stringent weight classes fights. Catch weights will be more of a thing too. Generates high ppv and the fighter coming up a weight loses no cast in defeat.

511

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

The guy was probably just trying to relax. His not the most mannered/educated person either so i would not be shocked by this behaviour either. Move on.

He has a very good vocabulary for someone who apparently isn't very well educated. Although he uses a lot of profanities, some of the words he uses wouldn't normally be in circulation among Crumlin natives.

McGregor has received death threats so I don't blame him for avoiding people.

wonderfullife

LastLagoon wrote: »

Anything other than khabib/ferguson and they are taking the piss and everyone knows it

Yep.

I don't see any other route WME/IMG are going to go down other than the WWE model. They can't script the outcome but they can disregard the relevance of rankings and belts pretty fast. They already have to an extent.

LastLagoon

wonderfullife wrote: »

7) CM PUNK. It'd be a sh1t-show of a debacle but it'd make a fortune and trigger Aldo into a mental breakdown. :pac:

Anything other than khabib/ferguson and they are taking the piss and everyone knows it

wonderfullife

7) CM PUNK. It'd be a sh1t-show of a debacle but it'd make a fortune and Aldo would flip. :pac:

Edit: I'd actually love to see the winner of Aldo-Holloway fight Conor again. Preferably Max, purely because it'd be a stand-up battle and Eddie briefly showed with those leg kicks that Conor's wide stance leaves him susceptible to having his base stripped from him. It was eye-opening to see Eddie abandon the leg kicks so quickly.

wonderfullife

Conor hired Charlie as a bodyguard probably for the very reason he was finding it hard to walk around town without taking a million photos. That and he's loyal to his friends. He's done a lot for Charlie since the terrible tragedy last year.

I got a small video with Conor (6 awkward seconds of me thinking I pressed camera instead of video and him saying "what are ya at ffs" at the end :pac:) and he couldn't have been nicer to me.

I don't do social media so I don't get photos for likes. I hope to print the photos I got with John/Richie S/Richy C/Charlie/Sinead/Dylan etc out into a collage some day and put it in a frame. It's just like any other photo I've ever taken - a snapshot of where I was in my life and something to look back on in 20 or 30 years (touch wood) to see how far I've come and how far (hopefully) Irish MMA has come.

Early days but Sinead Kavanagh, in particular, has serious potential in the sense she has raw power which is a rarity in wMMA. Firas Zahabi in his latest video said that raw power can't be taught - it can only be improved on to small degrees - and he cited the number 1 factor in raw power is anatomy, primarily where your muscles and tendons attach to your joints. A few millimeters difference up or down can separate Rumble power from DC power.

If she continues to improve her wrestling she'll be well able to compete at the highest level and the UFC needs more girls for the new 145lb division.

callaway92 wrote: »

In order of 1, 2 & 3 and 4 - 1 being most likely.

1) Diaz 2) Khabib 3) Ferguson 4) Woodley

I really really don't want him to fight Woodley because he would absolutely smashed within a couple of minutes.

1) Floyd.

lol.

No, seriously, probably:

1) Woodley 2) Cody 3) Ferguson 4) Mayweather 5) Khabib 6) Nate.

A controversial list but I'm looking at this from the perspective the UFC is no longer reaching towards being a legitimate sport. I.e. I'm looking at it from business and career standpoints. I'll give my reasoning below (however flawed it might be):

1. Woodley is the smartest choice from a pure risk/reward perspective, both for Conor and the UFC.

If he goes up and wins, the reward for Conor is the first man to ever hold titles in 3 weight classes (and he could still argue "simultaneously"). His star then becomes even more enormous. The UFC can promote it as another history fight, Woodley will be the heel villain in the build-up and Conor knows all he has to do to trigger Woodley is call him a "b1tch".

If he goes up and loses, then he retains his LW title and all he has to do is rinse/repeat his UFC 196 post-fight performance - blow it off as taking a shot and missing....and apologising to absolutely nobody.

(Incidentally I'd be picking Conor all day long against Woodley. Brendan Schaub said the same. Woodley is a good style match-up. He's just a bigger version of Eddie.)

2. Cody. They have history from TUF 22, Cody is game to fight at 145/150. It'd be a high-profile, low-risk fight for Conor in the sense his belt wouldn't be on the line and Cody is nowhere near as dangerous as anybody else on the list.

From the UFC's perspective, again it's low-risk, high-reward. If Conor destroys him then Cody goes back to his own division and is a bigger star for the balls he showed in stepping up. If Cody somehow wins, then they have 2 superstars on their hands and Conor still has his 155lb belt. If it's a barn-stormer either way both men come out bigger stars.

3. Ferguson is also managed by Audie Attar and has a stand-up style. The former might give him an advantage in securing the fight behind the scenes (over Woodley/Cody), the latter most certainly does. He might shoot on Conor at some stage and look to use some tricky 10th Planet stuff but it promises to be a mostly-stand-up fight.

It's not a super-attractive fight for the UFC though. It won't sell as much as a Woodley fight and Tony isn't exactly dynamite in Pressers. But it's more likely than tossing Conor the Russian bear.

4. Floyd. Huge $$$ all around. $2.317 debt underwritten by Goldman Sachs and Deustche Bank is a noose around the UFC's neck. If they can take those type of singular paydays cross-promoting in the future, they will. And I mean with both boxing and WWE. It's all about the $$$ now for the new owners and they are huge into content creation and cross-platforming.

For Conor it's honestly the lowest-risk, highest-reward thing he can do. It's a no-lose situation. Not one person will give him a hope of winning. If he pulls it off, he goes down as immortal. If he gets KO'd, he'll just go back to MMA. If he even lands a couple of good shots he'll have done more than most of Floyds recent opponents.

Either way he makes a fortune.

5. Khabib is the most deserving contender and the rightful next challenger. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Khabib beats Ferguson. The UFC would be mental not to allow Conor to fight Woodley or Cody FIRST (another huge payday) and then try sort out Conor v Khabib in RUSSIA 2018 and build it into a Rocky plot. Have Khabib out in the snow wrestling bears while Conor is running up the sides of mountains. Conor loves Rocky films and the UFC wants to crack Russia. It makes sense to hold that fight back (from a business standpoint).

Also, I wouldn't write Ferguson off against Khabib. By any stretch. RDA wanted no part of that tricky rubber guard play that Tony likes. Khabib might cut through it like a knife through butter but I still wouldn't write him off. And on the feet Ferguson can 100% head-kick KO Khabib or knock him senseless with a punch. Johnson had Khabib in big trouble early.

6. Nate. The UFC would need to be INSANE to make this fight.

He's literally the last option they would consider right now - they are keeping in the back-pocket for whenever Conor loses next. That trilogy is money in the bank for the UFC, there's no way on Gods green earth they play that card now. Nate asks for way too much $, he presents a tough stylistic match-up for Conor too. I fancy Conor to win (again) but there's no way Dana is letting that happen soon.

Why would you pay Nate $16-18 million total when you could get Cody or Woodley to fight for $3.5 million including PPV points? The worst business and sporting decision the UFC could make is the Nate fight (now). Business wise it would need to sell 450,000 more PPV's than Conor v Woodley to make sense. It won't.

From a sporting standpoint, it makes ZERO sense. It made zero sense last year but even less sense now Conor is LW champion. At least Woodley and Cody are meaningless fights outside the division. Nate would be skipping 2 contenders.

They hold the Diaz trilogy fight until Conor loses AND/OR until Nate has wasted all his money on weed and takes a reduced payday.

midnight city

markc91 wrote: »

Seen rumours on Facebook(I know) that UFC 209 will have Khabib vs. Tony and Woodley vs. Wonderboy II

I hope so that would be one to really look forward to

weldoninhio

markc91 wrote: »

Seen rumours on Facebook(I know) that UFC 209 will have Khabib vs. Tony and Woodley vs. Wonderboy II

Think Ariel said this on twitter too. Nothing signed yet though

markc91

Seen rumours on Facebook(I know) that UFC 209 will have Khabib vs. Tony and Woodley vs. Wonderboy II

callaway92

Rainman16 wrote: »

Now that Ronda Rousey is dead. Conor is the UFC alone now.

I wonder what his next fight will be.

Khabib, Woodley, Ferguson, Diaz, Mayweather?

In order of 1, 2 & 3 and 4 - 1 being most likely.

1) Diaz 2) Khabib 3) Ferguson 4) Woodley

I really really don't want him to fight Woodley because he would absolutely smashed within a couple of minutes.