Tralee thread

ongarboy wrote: »

OK but the advert did say suitable for a variety of uses. It would normally say sold as a going concern or "tenant not affected by sale" if the current business was to remain on. Maybe they are still in business if someone passing by it can confirm?

The door was open and the lights on when I was passing a short while ago.

ongarboy

kn wrote: »

Just because the building is up for sale does not mean the leaseholder is affected.

OK but the advert did say suitable for a variety of uses. It would normally say sold as a going concern or "tenant not affected by sale" if the current business was to remain on. Maybe they are still in business if someone passing by it can confirm?

kerryked wrote: »

Back to the chopping board for Tony so :rolleyes:

Fair play to him for giving it a lash all the same, but as most people said the lack of parking was going to be a killer from the start.

The butchers beside Argos seems to be doing a good trade too since they put in their hot counter and they've adjacent parking, putting Toni's at a further disadvantage.

With regards the former Horan's nightclub - it's on the market for letting, not for sale.

Pirates Ale

phormium wrote: »

It is not as convenient at all to get to in the square and would be more dependent on passing trade rather than people specifically coming to it and I think the bulk of it's customers are ones who come specially.

Surely passing trade is great (indeed vital) for any business though? Those specifically coming to it can surely manage to park nearby.
I think putting it down there is giving it very little chance of thriving tbh.

The_Mac

Quackster wrote: »

'Tacky' is the kindest word you could use when referring to the Provo stall. Our moist weather limits the Square's usability though. Retractable canopies like at Meeting House Square in Dublin should be considered. Indeed Meeting House Square should be the model for how the Square is used with its regular markets and outdoor performances.

Ah the Provo stall is gas. Always has a bit of Wolfe Tones blaring out of it to top things off too.

Back to the chopping board for Tony so :rolleyes:

Fair play to him for giving it a lash all the same, but as most people said the lack of parking was going to be a killer from the start.

Felix Jones is God

2 quick points... Toni's started as a shop with a deli counter..It is now a closed shop with a chippy where the deli used be..Chances of survival are nil.

Regarding a farmer's market in the square...No, it was suggested before and the prices asked for pitches were crazy, also it needs to be covered as the place is treacherous when wet

phormium

I disagree that putting the farmers market back in the square would work. I come down town practically every Saturday to the market as I can park very easily along by it. It is not as convenient at all to get to in the square and would be more dependent on passing trade rather than people specifically coming to it and I think the bulk of it's customers are ones who come specially. Yes you could park in the Abbey car park if you got a space but there is no doubt it's a lot simpler access it where it is. Also it must be far easier for the traders to set up where they are with kerbside access for their goods.

The use of a farmers market seems to be totally overestimated in relation to the square or the new Denny's site, there is not enough business in Tralee to keep this type of market going at any sort of a profitable rate for most market traders. See how few are left in the one by the Brandon at this stage! Several have long given up trading there and it is only for a few hours once a week, in general people are not prepared to pay the extra cost of market type food which is of course more expensive than the local supermarket.

I say this as one who sold at markets for several years but gave up last year as it's just not worth it, everyone goes into it thinking it's going to be a great way of making a few bob but quickly discovers that's it's a lot of work for very little money, only certain types of stalls with non perishable items have any hope. Also they should all be indoor markets, better chance of getting and keeping stallholders and customers, we don't have the weather for outdoor markets.

Kerrydude1981

lottpaul wrote: »

Thanks for all of the suggestions folks. I headed off down Castle St. - did a quick look into Heatons, Penneys and a few other shops and then went down Denny St to go to the Museum -- and, as happens, met a school friend I haven't seen in ages and that was that. Had a great, long chat over coffee and scones in Dawsons (great spot for watching what goes on in the town!)
The town had a great buzz about it for a cold weekday morning. I haven't been in the town centre for over 20 years but 2 things I'd note - I had time to do a quick walk around the square and thought it was ..... bare, cold, - lacking in something. Would be interested to hear how locals view it and how it's used by them.
Secondly I kept seeing shops that seemed familiar, but knew I could never have been in them - and then it dawned on me - the power of ads on Radio Kerry....

Will be back on a similar errand in 3 weeks though and will get the chance to get to the museum I hope.

(and another plus - I had forgotten the guilty pleasures of O'Mahony's bakery and stocked up nicely for the long trip home )

Ya the square can be fairly bleak looking

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

But waiting for the council to do something like that may never happen! It's a shame the Saturday farmers market is over by the Brandon & not in the square.

Never been to the farmer's market in Tralee on a Saturday, what kind of stuff do they have there? Passed by it once or twice and it seemed to be mostly fruit and veg?

ongarboy wrote: »

It seems Toni's fish and chip shop at Clash Roundabout is up for sale? That didn't seem to last long...

http://www.property.ie/commercial-property/Clash-Roundabout-Tralee-Co-Kerry/363924/

Just because the building is up for sale does not mean the leaseholder is affected.

Quackster wrote: »

'Tacky' is the kindest word you could use when referring to the Provo stall. Our moist weather limits the Square's usability though. Retractable canopies like at Meeting House Square in Dublin should be considered. Indeed Meeting House Square should be the model for how the Square is used with its regular markets and outdoor performances.

But waiting for the council to do something like that may never happen! It's a shame the Saturday farmers market is over by the Brandon & not in the square.

ongarboy

It seems Toni's fish and chip shop at Clash Roundabout is up for sale? That didn't seem to last long...

http://www.property.ie/commercial-property/Clash-Roundabout-Tralee-Co-Kerry/363924/

....and Horan's niteclub is definitely no more...the building is being sold....surprised that didn't make bigger news in the local media (end of an era etc..) unless I missed it.

http://www.property.ie/commercial-property/The-Horan-Centre-Clash-Tralee-Co-Kerry/332283/

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

The square is a bit of a waste, but they do have stalls there a few days a week, although I have to say they are pretty tacky and a farmers market would look a lot nicer!

'Tacky' is the kindest word you could use when referring to the Provo stall. Our moist weather limits the Square's usability though. Retractable canopies like at Meeting House Square in Dublin should be considered. Indeed Meeting House Square should be the model for how the Square is used with its regular markets and outdoor performances.

lottpaul wrote: »

Thanks for all of the suggestions folks. I headed off down Castle St. - did a quick look into Heatons, Penneys and a few other shops and then went down Denny St to go to the Museum -- and, as happens, met a school friend I haven't seen in ages and that was that. Had a great, long chat over coffee and scones in Dawsons (great spot for watching what goes on in the town!)
The town had a great buzz about it for a cold weekday morning. I haven't been in the town centre for over 20 years but 2 things I'd note - I had time to do a quick walk around the square and thought it was ..... bare, cold, - lacking in something. Would be interested to hear how locals view it and how it's used by them.
Secondly I kept seeing shops that seemed familiar, but knew I could never have been in them - and then it dawned on me - the power of ads on Radio Kerry....

Will be back on a similar errand in 3 weeks though and will get the chance to get to the museum I hope.

(and another plus - I had forgotten the guilty pleasures of O'Mahony's bakery and stocked up nicely for the long trip home )

The square is a bit of a waste, but they do have stalls there a few days a week, although I have to say they are pretty tacky and a farmers market would look a lot nicer!

lottpaul

Thanks for all of the suggestions folks. I headed off down Castle St. - did a quick look into Heatons, Penneys and a few other shops and then went down Denny St to go to the Museum -- and, as happens, met a school friend I haven't seen in ages and that was that. Had a great, long chat over coffee and scones in Dawsons (great spot for watching what goes on in the town!)
The town had a great buzz about it for a cold weekday morning. I haven't been in the town centre for over 20 years but 2 things I'd note - I had time to do a quick walk around the square and thought it was ..... bare, cold, - lacking in something. Would be interested to hear how locals view it and how it's used by them.
Secondly I kept seeing shops that seemed familiar, but knew I could never have been in them - and then it dawned on me - the power of ads on Radio Kerry....

Will be back on a similar errand in 3 weeks though and will get the chance to get to the museum I hope.

(and another plus - I had forgotten the guilty pleasures of O'Mahony's bakery and stocked up nicely for the long trip home

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I need to take my own advice & visit the museum myself. I don't think I've been in far too many years!

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

Have you ever been in the museum? Worth checking it out!

I second that. The Roger Casement exhibition is running until the end of March and well worth catching before it's gone.

lottpaul wrote: »

Quick query. Have to pass 4 or 5 hours in Tralee tomorrow morning (without a car) and wondered if anyone had a suggestion for somewhere to go/something to do. The obvious ones of coffee shop, library(?) have already been suggested by my nearest and dearest - one even suggested Mass - but maybe I'm missing something blindingly obvious! TIA

If you're an outdoorsy person, and if the weather isn't too bad, you could take a walk out to the Wetlands, out by the Aqua Dome.

Actually haven't been there myself (need to go soon), but others on here might be able to tell you what its like..

Other than that, there might be something on the cinema or as Ciarrai has suggested the museum is always worth a visit

lottpaul wrote: »

Quick query. Have to pass 4 or 5 hours in Tralee tomorrow morning (without a car) and wondered if anyone had a suggestion for somewhere to go/something to do. The obvious ones of coffee shop, library(?) have already been suggested by my nearest and dearest - one even suggested Mass - but maybe I'm missing something blindingly obvious! TIA

Have you ever been in the museum? Worth checking it out!

lottpaul

Quick query. Have to pass 4 or 5 hours in Tralee tomorrow morning (without a car) and wondered if anyone had a suggestion for somewhere to go/something to do. The obvious ones of coffee shop, library(?) have already been suggested by my nearest and dearest - one even suggested Mass

- but maybe I'm missing something blindingly obvious! TIA

kerryked wrote: »

My engineers comment was made slightly tongue in cheek, but at the same time I can't help but point out that mini-roundabout just down the road from this junction. Imo it's a design disaster, not big enough for anything larger than a medium sized car to turn around it.

Also the pedestrian crossings are too close to the roundabout, some people are in such a hurry to get off it that they don't have time to stop for pedestrians. (I realise this is an issue with roundabouts in general in this country)

€33 million spent on Kerry's roads last year, hopefully they can allocate a bit more for these junction upgrades in 2017.

Those mini-roundabouts are designed so that anything that can't drive around them can simply drive over them. I agree with you on the pedestrian crossings but with roundabouts it's a no-win situation - put them too far away and pedestrians just ignore them so you have to erect masses of unsightly railing. That's why there's now a general movement away from urban roundabouts and why several around the town are earmarked to be replaced by traffic signals - when the funding becomes available.

Quackster wrote: »

There are issues with this type of traffic signal set-up in terms of (not) being triggered by cyclists. But the fundamental issue here is that the cost would be prohibitive, especially with several much most important junctions urgently awaiting funding.

My personal preference for this junction would be a four-way stop - something that's still a bit of a rarity in this country.

BTW, blaming the engineers is a bit silly when they can't do much without allocated funding.

My engineers comment was made slightly tongue in cheek, but at the same time I can't help but point out that mini-roundabout just down the road from this junction. Imo it's a design disaster, not big enough for anything larger than a medium sized car to turn around it.

Also the pedestrian crossings are too close to the roundabout, some people are in such a hurry to get off it that they don't have time to stop for pedestrians. (I realise this is an issue with roundabouts in general in this country)

€33 million spent on Kerry's roads last year, hopefully they can allocate a bit more for these junction upgrades in 2017.

kerryked wrote: »

A roundabout definitely wouldn't be an option there imo. Look at the one a couple of hundred yards up the road from it, less said about that the better.

Surely if this junction "is busy only at peak hours" then a set of traffic lights which stay green for traffic on Basin Rd. at all times except for when there is a car approaching from the Low Field/James' Street? I'm no traffic management engineer, but then again neither is anyone in KCC it seems..

There are issues with this type of traffic signal set-up in terms of (not) being triggered by cyclists. But the fundamental issue here is that the cost would be prohibitive, especially with several much most important junctions urgently awaiting funding.

My personal preference for this junction would be a four-way stop - something that's still a bit of a rarity in this country.

BTW, blaming the engineers is a bit silly when they can't do much without allocated funding.

Forge83

Bit of a conflict of interests for Pa Daly there surely....

Kerrydude1981

€780k paid out in compensation claims against Kerry County Council

Documents under the Freedom of Information reveal just over €780,000 was paid out in 30 public liability claims against Kerry County Council in an 18-month period to the end of June last.

Personal injury claims for trips and falls in Tralee and other centres have reportedly rocketed since January 2014, a senior council engineer in charge of a specialised unit to tackle claims said.

The exact payout was €780,985. However, a further 149 claims lodged in the same period are outstanding against Kerry County Council. No determination has been made in relation to a settlement or even a dismissal.

The vast majority of civil actions involved trips and fall injuries and most relate to the county town. Up to 20 claims have been lodged since June last.

The FOI documents reveal, in total, some 45 solicitors are involved in the handling of the 149 claims with four solicitors handling a number of claims.

The top main solicitors involved in the claims against the local authority include Tralee solicitor Pa Daly, a county councillor. He is representing clients on 23 of the claims; Pat Mann, also Tralee-based, is handling 23 claims while Killarney solicitor Padraig J O’Connell is dealing with 11 claims and Lees Solicitors, based in Listowel are also handling 11 claims.

Smaller numbers of claims are being handled by 20 practices with Cashell Solicitors involved with six claims, and Thomas J O’Halloran solicitors in five and Charles J O’Connor and Co. handling five claims also.

Engineer Vincent Foley, who heads up the council’s dedicated claims unit, said claims against the council have spiked since 2014.

The council adopts a “very aggressive attitude” and is one of only a number of local authorities to have a dedicated insurance claims unit, Mr Foley said.

“The council’s aggressive approach to claims includes keeping a close eye on footpaths that are the locus of likely claims, and having them repaired continually.”

Meanwhile, at several council meetings, concerns had been raised about some locations being the focal points for a number of civil claims.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/780k-paid-out-in-compensation-claims-against-kerry-county-council-438211.html

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sudaltsov

Oakpark/Brewery is way worse IMO.