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M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

loyatemu

I thought Ferns was being done as part of the enniscorthy bypass - maybe I'm wrong.

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kneemos

marno21 wrote: »

The original plan was motorway as far as the Enniscorthy junction and 2+2 after. Not all of that 13k AADT will be using the M11.

It is an extremely busy road south of Enniscorthy in in fairness. Traffic disperses at Enniscorthy but also converges,plus the extra traffic a motorway will generate. Quite a few take the coastal roads at Gorey I'd imagine just to avoid the place.

MayoSalmon

There's no real justification here, built an extra 2km on here and don't have motorway traffic hitting a small rural town..simples.

red_bairn

kneemos wrote: »

It is an extremely busy road south of Enniscorthy in in fairness. Traffic disperses at Enniscorthy but also converges,plus the extra traffic a motorway will generate. Quite a few take the coastal roads at Gorey I'd imagine just to avoid the place.

I went down the coastal road instead of heading through Enniscorthy to college in Wexford town.

OldMrBrennan83

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Decoda

loyatemu wrote: »

we'll see I guess, it's just frustrating that for the sake of 2km of road in a 50km project, drivers will be going from 120km/h to 50km/h to trundle through a small village, when they could have been going straight onto a wide straight 100km/h N road.

Any proposed By Pass of Oilgate village would be closer to 5 kilometres in length rather than 2km.

(The centre of the proposed roundabout at Scurlocksbush is 2km North along the N11 from the end of the traffic calming at Oilgate village. Also bear in mind that any by pass will probably follow the line of the 300m wide preferred Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour route and that doesn't tie back into the N11 until 1.30km South of Oilgate so all in all any by pass will be at least 5km in length)

D.

kneemos

The N11 remains a national route presumably,or does it become a rural route with an 80 limit?

Decoda

It'll be automatically reclassified as a Regional road which will then have an 80kph speed limit applied but the local authority will have the choice of raising this back to 100kph by the application of a special speed limit if it chooses.

An example of this would have been the old N11 North of Gorey between Gorey and Tinnock which was reclassified as the R772 but retained its National Road 100kph speed limit. The old N11 South of Gorey between Clogh and Gorey was reclassified as the R772 but had its speed limit dropped to 80kph.

D.

kneemos wrote:

The N11 remains a national route presumably,or does it become a rural route with an 80 limit?

The new road bypassing Enniscorthy becomes part of the N11 route. As it will be a motorway it will have the M prefix.

spacetweek

zerks wrote: »

As a local,that's a very busy road. Rosslare Europort adds to this especially in the Summer. I'm sure people remember the hold ups between The Beehive pub and Rathnew on the N11 before when the motorway ended there. At Oylegate it will be worse.On bank holidays and all Summer half of Dublin use the road to get to holiday homes and beaches in Wexford, anybody that's tried to get through Enniscorthy on a sunny Friday evening can testify to that.

Can we please put this Oylegate discussion to bed? It's ridiculous. There aren't going to be significant tailbacks. The alignment is spacious, it looks like this.

betistuc

spacetweek wrote: »

Can we please put this Oylegate discussion to bed? It's ridiculous. There aren't going to be significant tailbacks. The alignment is spacious, it looks like this.

See post 714 on previous page

road_high

zerks wrote: »

As a local,that's a very busy road. Rosslare Europort adds to this especially in the Summer. I'm sure people remember the hold ups between The Beehive pub and Rathnew on the N11 before when the motorway ended there. At Oylegate it will be worse.On bank holidays and all Summer half of Dublin use the road to get to holiday homes and beaches in Wexford, anybody that's tried to get through Enniscorthy on a sunny Friday evening can testify to that.

The N11 around the Beehive was far busier than the N11 at Oylegate in terms of traffic numbers. It was also far worse quality.

The N11 south of here is quite good quality, built in the early 90s. While it's not ideal have the M11 end at Oylegate it's little more than a tiny hamlet. It'll suffice for another while, it'll be great to have the M11 extended from Gorey to there which is quite progress.

road_high

Decoda wrote: »

It'll be automatically reclassified as a Regional road which will then have an 80kph speed limit applied but the local authority will have the choice of raising this back to 100kph by the application of a special speed limit if it chooses.

An example of this would have been the old N11 North of Gorey between Gorey and Tinnock which was reclassified as the R772 but retained its National Road 100kph speed limit. The old N11 South of Gorey between Clogh and Gorey was reclassified as the R772 but had its speed limit dropped to 80kph.

D.

Most of the old N9 kept its 100kmh limit too. Makes complete sense, especially with the lower traffic levels. I've no doubt the soon-to-be old N11 will be the same as it's mostly good road standard, just not for the existing traffic levels.

OldMrBrennan83

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jca

Decoda wrote: »

It'll be automatically reclassified as a Regional road which will then have an 80kph speed limit applied but the local authority will have the choice of raising this back to 100kph by the application of a special speed limit if it chooses.

An example of this would have been the old N11 North of Gorey between Gorey and Tinnock which was reclassified as the R772 but retained its National Road 100kph speed limit. The old N11 South of Gorey between Clogh and Gorey was reclassified as the R772 but had its speed limit dropped to 80kph.

D.

No bother finding the speed vans.... Saving lives of course....

Cantona's Collars

spacetweek wrote: »

Can we please put this Oylegate discussion to bed? It's ridiculous. There aren't going to be significant tailbacks. The alignment is spacious, it looks like this.

I live just up the road in Enniscorthy and use that road a lot,there's traffic lights at that junction in the middle of the village and parking at the local shop causes mayhem at times.The bottlenecks in Enniscorthy actually help alleviate any hold ups there as it doesn't all arrive in Oylegate at once,when Enniscorthy is bypassed the next bottleneck will be the 50kph traffic calming in Oylegate.

Back to the actual work that's ongoing,I'll try to get some more pics during the week.

kneemos

Weren't back to work last week,must be have been on holidays or something. Less time lost in the summer months the better maybe.

josip

zerks wrote: »

I live just up the road in Enniscorthy and use that road a lot,there's traffic lights at that junction in the middle of the village and parking at the local shop causes mayhem at times.The bottlenecks in Enniscorthy actually help alleviate any hold ups there as it doesn't all arrive in Oylegate at once,when Enniscorthy is bypassed the next bottleneck will be the 50kph traffic calming in Oylegate.

Back to the actual work that's ongoing,I'll try to get some more pics during the week.

Are you sure about that?.

Enniscorthy does currently smooth out a very sporadic arrival rate in the town from the north. The single carriageway from before Camolin presents few overtaking opportunities and slow moving traffic have a significant impact on the arrival pattern in Enniscorthy. They're moving road blocks and bunch up the traffic.
After Enniscorthy that again starts to happen and the arrival pattern in Oylegate presently is not evenly distributed, but less bunched than Enniscorthy.

With a multi-lane carriageway terminating 2km outside the village however, one would expect the arrival rate to be almost equally distributed.

Cantona's Collars

It takes very little to cause a tailback in Oylegate. Anyone stopping in Camolin has plenty of places to pull in. In Oylegate there's 2. I think we are missing the point of a major infrastructure project terminating just short of a village when at the other side if it there's a nice wide road. Our most high profile TD down here promised that wouldn't happen before he got elected and not a peep out of him since.

Reuben1210

zerks wrote: »

It takes very little to cause a tailback in Oylegate. Anyone stopping in Camolin has plenty of places to pull in. In Oylegate there's 2. I think we are missing the point of a major infrastructure project terminating just short of a village when at the other side if it there's a nice wide road. Our most high profile TD down here promised that wouldn't happen before he got elected and not a peep out of him since.

Someone from the constituency should write to him and call him out on this!

Dr_Bill

It seems the most high profile TD down here promised many things but it took the electorate to re-elect them. Fool me once, fool on you, fool me twice then fool on me!

Cantona's Collars

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Someone from the constituency should write to him and call him out on this!

Do you think one of the most arrogant men on the planet would even care?

There was funding given to Wexford Co Co for a feasiblity study on the 4km scheme. Not sure what happened after that!
One of the Co Councillorss could raise it at a council meeting.

spacetweek

zerks wrote: »

It takes very little to cause a tailback in Oylegate. Anyone stopping in Camolin has plenty of places to pull in. In Oylegate there's 2. I think we are missing the point of a major infrastructure project terminating just short of a village when at the other side if it there's a nice wide road. Our most high profile TD down here promised that wouldn't happen before he got elected and not a peep out of him since.

Gah!

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Someone from the constituency should write to him and call him out on this!

Double Gah!!

badgerbroc11

Where's the vision that is now needed!

If the UK go for a hard 'Brexit' then Rosslare could become a valuable piece of infrastructure to a county that is severely lacking employment opportunity.

A bypass extending past Oylgate and onto Rosslare which will be our closest link to the EU for the trading of goods makes more sense now than ever before.

loyatemu

badgerbroc11 wrote: »

Where's the vision that is now needed!

If the UK go for a hard 'Brexit' then Rosslare could become a valuable piece of infrastructure to a county that is severely lacking employment opportunity.

A bypass extending past Oylgate and onto Rosslare which will be our closest link to the EU for the trading of goods makes more sense now than ever before.

does Rosslare handle much freight? Is there that much advantage to unloading there compared with Dublin or Waterford or Cork.

L1011

badgerbroc11 wrote: »

Where's the vision that is now needed!

If the UK go for a hard 'Brexit' then Rosslare could become a valuable piece of infrastructure to a county that is severely lacking employment opportunity.

A bypass extending past Oylgate and onto Rosslare which will be our closest link to the EU for the trading of goods makes more sense now than ever before.

Rosslare doesn't handle any appreciable amount of heavy cargo nor is it designed to. Ro-ro only, no containers. We already have container terminals on the south coast.

josip

I assume it's best for imports to be delivered by boat as close as possible to the major population centres (Dublin, Cork) where the goods will be consumed rather than at the geographically closest point.
Would it make sense to substitute a few hours on a boat for hundreds of trucks on the N/M11?
Exports however may have a business case going out from Rosslare? eg. dairy products produced in Munster and south Leinster.

I extracted some stats from the CSO
http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/database/eirestat/Maritime%20Statistics/Maritime%20Statistics_statbank.asp

L1011

That tonnage is about 4% of the national total. Combined total of Bantry and Drogheda - not what'd come to mind as major - is higher! Dublin, Shannon/Foynes and Cork are the dominant freight ports.

betistuc

spacetweek wrote: »

Gah!

Double Gah!!

Did Brendan Howlin not announce at the sod turning ceremony on New Ross by pass that Oylgate was going to be by passed after all. All agreed with TII apparently See post 714. or is it all a wind up!