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irish sailor switches to Team GB for Tokyo olympics

judeboy101

http://www.the42.ie/saskia-tidey-tokyo-2020-3172883-Jan2017/

I can understand her logic for switching but how can she claim to still be proud to be Irish I she goes on to win a gold and sing god save the queen/king

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s4uv3

judeboy101 wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/saskia-tidey-tokyo-2020-3172883-Jan2017/

I can understand her logic for switching but how can she claim to still be proud to be Irish I she goes on to win a gold and sing god save the queen/king

She can't reach the level she wants to if she stays in Ireland. It's as simple as that.

As for "How can she claim to still be proud to be Irish", would you ever catch on to yourself :rolleyes:

kfallon

Is her ould fella the guy who was captured during the troubles and brought to Leitrem? (the worst punishment that could be dished out to anyone :P)

GLaDOS

We've benefited form people switching the other way no doubt.

Disappointing to be sure, but I can understand the decision.

Parchment

I can understand her decision but its not something i could do. Especially for GB.

The_Valeyard

Fine.

But if she fails to make Team GB for the Tokyo games she should not have the option to represent Ireland after.

judeboy101

s4uv3 wrote: »

She can't reach the level she wants to if she stays in Ireland. It's as simple as that.

As for "How can she claim to still be proud to be Irish", would you ever catch on to yourself :rolleyes:

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

s4uv3

judeboy101 wrote: »

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

She's entering a sailing competiton, not a singing contest. At the end of the day, the medal will be hanging on her wall and not that of a king/queen/president.

Anita Blow

In fairness if you read the article she explains why she's representing Team GB. After Rio, her Irish partner retired and there is no other sailor of a similar level to her (now retired) partner to make a competitive duo for the Tokyo Olympics. So she found a partner in the UK who she can partner with.

For these athletes, the Olympics is the pinnacle of their career. Do people expect her to retire just because her partner did? Or should she do what she can to ensure she can compete one more time? I think anybody would do the latter.

maudgonner

judeboy101 wrote: »

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

You seem to be hugely focused on the singing of the anthem. There are plenty of people who aren't. As evidenced by the fact that there's a huge percentage of Irish people who don't know the words to Amhrán na bhFiann, much less what it means.

Ferrari3600

kfallon wrote: »

Is her ould fella the guy who was captured during the troubles and brought to Leitrem? (the worst punishment that could be dished out to anyone :P)

I was just wondering the same, the surname is not very common.

[Deleted User]

There wasn’t an option here in Ireland in the 49er FX with another girl who had the experience to sail at the same level that I had finished up at [in Rio], to be competitive and win a medal in 2020

Her partner retired, it's this or nothing. She should go for it.

judeboy101

Deleted User wrote: »

Her partner retired, it's this or nothing. She should go for it.

No issue with that but she shouldn't go claiming she's still proud to be Irish when wearing a union jack and representing a monarch whose subjects have killed Irish men and women over the last 60 years in her name.

Grayson

judeboy101 wrote: »

No issue with that but she shouldn't go claiming she's still proud to be Irish when wearing a union jack and representing a monarch whose subjects have killed Irish men and women over the last 60 years in her name.

We're lucky we have people like you to tell us when we should be proud for being Irish otherwise we wouldn't know.

RayCon

Anita Blow wrote: »

In fairness if you read the article she explains why she's representing Team GB. After Rio, her Irish partner retired and there is no other sailor of a similar level to her (now retired) partner to make a competitive duo for the Tokyo Olympics. So she found a partner in the UK who she can partner with..

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

AGC

kfallon wrote: »

Is her ould fella the guy who was captured during the troubles and brought to Leitrem? (the worst punishment that could be dished out to anyone :P)

Yeap, RTE did a piece on her before Rio where she spoke about it.

pure.conya

RayCon wrote: »

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

No because the English competing for us is one thing, but going and competing for a nation that occupied our country, stole 6 of our counties while deliberately stirring the troubles up and murdered so many innocent men women and children is a whole different kettle of fish

Ferrari3600

judeboy101 wrote: »

No issue with that but she shouldn't go claiming she's still proud to be Irish when wearing a union jack and representing a monarch whose subjects have killed Irish men and women over the last 60 years in her name.

I bet you own a PLO scarf.

osarusan

She switched because her partner retired. Her partner was a UK sailor who switched to Ireland in 2013.

I will never forget the outrage that switch of allegiance caused on AH.

judeboy101

maudgonner wrote: »

You seem to be hugely focused on the singing of the anthem. There are plenty of people who aren't. As evidenced by the fact that there's a huge percentage of Irish people who don't know the words to Amhrán na bhFiann, much less what it means.

Our national anthem is just that, a national anthem. God save the queen is not a national anthem it is a sectarian pledge of allegiance.

maudgonner

judeboy101 wrote: »

Our national anthem is just that, a national anthem. God save the queen is not a national anthem it is a sectarian pledge of allegiance.

Our national anthem is a battle cry, a call to arms to kill the (English) invaders.

And by the way for some of those competing for Ireland at the Olympics God Save the Queen is their national anthem.

HigginsJ

Wow, I kinda thought we had move on from hating the English but this thread proves otherwise. In relation to her decision to move, she has to do what is best for her. It is not her ideal I'd imagine but she wants to compete and it's her best choice.

I doubt anyone will care in the intervening 3 & a half years but by god wait till we start claiming that medal if she gets on the podium in Tokyo.

She can be proud Irish and represent Team GB, they are not mutually exclusive.

Fratton Fred

judeboy101 wrote: »

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

what?

I'm pretty sure using oars in a sailing competition would get you banned

RayCon wrote: »

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

which is exactly what her previous partner had done. She was born in Hampshire, but had an Irish Granny

pure.conya wrote: »

No because the English competing for us is one thing, but going and competing for a nation that occupied our country, stole 6 of our counties while deliberately stirring the troubles up and murdered so many innocent men women and children is a whole different kettle of fish

aah yes, the good old double standards.

try not to dribble on your United shirt.

judeboy101

maudgonner wrote: »

Our national anthem is a battle cry, a call to arms to kill the (English) invaders.

And by the way for some of those competing for Ireland at the Olympics God Save the Queen is their national anthem.

Technically its Saxon foe and god save the queen is not the national anthem of the uk

Fratton Fred

judeboy101 wrote: »

Our national anthem is just that, a national anthem. God save the queen is not a national anthem it is a sectarian pledge of allegiance.

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save The Queen!
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save The Queen!

could you point out the sectarian bits there please, or even the pledge of allegiance for that matter.

Fratton Fred

judeboy101 wrote: »

Technically its Saxon foe and god save the queen is not the national anthem of the uk

yes it is

ted1

pure.conya wrote: »

No because the English competing for us is one thing, but going and competing for a nation that occupied our country, stole 6 of our counties while deliberately stirring the troubles up and murdered so many innocent men women and children is a whole different kettle of fish

Yet her father was kidnapped by the IRA, so her family suffered at their hands not the British. Case of pot calling the kettle black.

Best of luck to her, hope she achieves her goals. Shame she couldn't get a partner and support from the Irish Sailing.

razorblunt

RayCon wrote: »

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

Brewster (her retired partner) was British wasn't she?

It's fúcking sailing lads, leave her at it.
The English cricket captain is Irish and doesn't sing their anthem.

A Little Pony

How does it feel ha. She wants to win a medal and become a British legend. Good luck to her.

judeboy101

Fratton Fred wrote: »

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save The Queen!
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save The Queen!

could you point out the sectarian bits there please, or even the pledge of allegiance for that matter.

Mentions god, so that discriminates against polytheists and Satanists. She is also the defender of the faith and the head of her own religion. I'd say that all qualifies as sectarian

AGC

judeboy101 wrote: »

Mentions god, so that discriminates against polytheists and Satanists. She is also the defender of the faith and the head of her own religion. I'd say that all qualifies as sectarian

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