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Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

Clareman

This thread is to discuss all things Shannon Airport related.

Warning, any back biting, regional nonsense, trolling, baiting or back seat modding will lead to bans.

It's also important to remember than that this thread is in a regional forum, not the Aviation forum, if you want to get into details on Aviation, go to that forum. Finally, this is the Clare forum, there will be a bias towards Clare in here, so expect folk to want to defend their county .

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JCX BXC

TheDriver wrote: »

I never realised that duty free cant be sold on pre cleared flight

Can't be sold on, but it can be sold previous to departure on the duty free shop.

Brennans Row

highlydebased wrote: »

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/business/aviation-development/us-preclearance-facility.aspx

The cost to your airline for using this facility is €10.50 per departing passenger.

That's a big discrepancy as to what the journalist wrote.

JCX BXC

It seems to be more of a poorly written opinion piece from a fairly unknown source.

Brennans Row

Crew diverts plane to have passenger removed (Clare Herald)

A transatlantic flight diverted to Shannon Airport this afternoon so that a passenger could be removed from the aircraft.

Air Canada flight AC-875 was travelling from Frankfurt in Germany to Montreal, Canada when the crew turned around west of Ireland.

The crew reported they had a passenger on board whom they believed was ‘acting strangely’.

The Boeing 777 jet landed safely at 1.09pm and was met by airport fire crews who accompanied the aircraft to the terminal where Airport Police officers and Gardaí were also waiting.

Gardaí spoke to the man for a time however he was not detained.

Letters - Aircraft diversions (Irish Times)

Sir, – A hundred years ago, when the aviation industry was in its infancy, and when air travel was more fascinating and dangerous than it is today, the regular media reporting of flight diversions to Shannon Airport and elsewhere made some sense.

However, the weekly news report that an aircraft is being diverted to Shannon because of a drunk passenger, broken toilets, an ill passenger, or some other event, has become quite tedious.

Isn’t it time that either we moved on from this quaint practice, or alternatively, in the interests of consistency, that we also reported similar incidents on our buses and trains?

– Yours, etc,

Dublin 4 Reader

I have never heard of buses and trains diverting.

JCX BXC

Aer Lingus RegionalsBirmingham going to Daily from 6x weekly from the 1st of April.

New Saturday service, arrival time into Shannon is 10:25am, departure time from Shannon is 10:50am, ideal for Transatlantic connections, this coupled with the later departure times for JFK and BOS should help with connections.

Jamie2k9

Remember what I was talking about before (EI)....well they have now swapped BHD/SNN morning LHR slots so 08.50 becomes 07.30 ex SNN now. Also lather evening rotation on Sundays.

It was planned for start of this winter season but pulled.

EX SNN - 07.30, 12.30, 17.25, 19.00* (Sun)
EX LHR - 09.50, 14.15, 19.35, 21.10* (Sun)

JCX BXC

Great news!

Deagol

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Remember what I was talking about before (EI)....well they have now swapped BHD/SNN morning LHR slots so 08.50 becomes 07.30 ex SNN now. Also lather evening rotation.

It was planned for start of this winter season but pulled.

EX SNN - 07.30, 12.30, 19.00
EX LHR - 09.50, 14.15, 21.10

Only runs for the summer months, end of March till end of October.

Jamie2k9

Deagol wrote: »

Only runs for the summer months, end of March till end of October.

Winter 17/18 won't be confirmed until July ish. It may stay or not but a good start.

Deagol

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Winter 17/18 won't be confirmed until July ish. It may stay or not but a good start.

Not for me, means I'll have to leave home earlier for my flights through to ABZ

Jamie2k9

Deagol wrote: »

Not for me, means I'll have to leave home earlier for my flights through to ABZ

Will always be winners and losers. Guess it staying longer term will depend on how well it does and impact if any ex BHD,

With Flybe doing LHR-ABZ you should be getting some good BA offers....

JCX BXC

Aer Lingus tend to just let the standard schedules run on, it will be updated eventually. Also see on Facebook that the Lanzarote service is extended into April.

highlydebased

BRS was strongly rumoured for a return with EIR this summer but theyve obviously decided not to for now

highlydebased

Transavia are the next ones to watch for SNN according to another forum.

Brennans Row

When it comes to the business of aviation, only the sky is the limit (Irish Times)

Shannon-based Gecas is one cog in GE’s airline financing and purchasing empire

As Alec Burger settles down for our interview, he eyes the video conferencing screen in the meeting room we are using and wonders aloud if such technology is a good idea. It could potentially lessen the need for people to fly, and that would not be good for his business.

Burger is president and chief executive of Gecas – General Electric Capital Aviation Services. Gecas owns some 1,500 aircraft, worth a total of $42 billion (€40.2 billion), which it leases to airlines. To put the size of that fleet in context, Europe’s four biggest carriers – Ryanair, IAG, Air France-KLM, and Lufthansa and its subsidiaries – have about 1,450 planes between them. Clearly, Gecas is a company to which flying is very important indeed.

The US company, a subsidiary of General Electric, took over Irish aircraft leasing giant Guinness Peat Aviation (GPA), the brainchild of Ryanair founder Tony Ryan, following its failed flotation in the mid-1990s. The purchase placed the Republic, and Shannon in particular, at the heart of Gecas operations. More than 40 per cent of its 600 staff work here.

“Shannon is the epicentre of the Gecas business,” he says. “We have got 250 employees in Ireland, and the split in that is about 220 in Shannon and about 30 in Dublin. In terms of the aircraft, I think just over 50 per cent of the total aircraft are registered in Ireland.

“Shannon has been a huge part of our business for the last 20-plus years, certainly since the acquisition of GPA. Our operating centre is here, our deal underwriting and credit process is here, the majority of our finance team is here, the legal team is in Ireland.”

Business feel

Burger took over the helm a year ago. He says he was struck by his colleagues’ genuine feel for the business. The old line about aviation people having kerosene in their blood seems particularly apt in Shannon HQ, he says.

Dublin is home to its helicopter leasing division, Milestone, which Gecas bought in 2014 just as oil prices started falling sharply, hitting one of the mainstays of that business: oil production and exploration. Burger is happy at how the company coped with the challenge. Gecas is now set to take advantage as the tide turns in its favour.

The core business is leasing aircraft. Simply put, Gecas buys aircraft from manufacturers such as Boeing in the US and Airbus in Europe, and leases them to airlines in return for a rent. In some cases, the carriers themselves buy the planes and sell them to Gecas, which then leases them back to the airline.

The key element is that the company owns the assets while the airlines rent them. The business also has a Luxembourg-based operation that loans airlines the cash to buy aircraft. The debt is secured against the individual planes and operates in much the same way as a mortgage: once the borrower clears the liability, they own the asset.

Typically, lessors use a mix of their own equity and debt to pay for the planes they provide to airlines. The balance generally breaks down as 75 per cent debt, 25 per cent equity. In Gecas’s case, GE Treasury, another part of its parent group, provides all the funding for its aviation finance businesses.

Aviation is continuing to grow, driven by strong demand in so-called emerging economies such as India and China. “I would say that you are seeing modest to slightly positive growth in developed markets,” he says. “But there is still very strong demand out of India and China.”

Burger points out that India is producing a strong stream of first-time fliers as many of its 1.2 billion people join the middle class. China, with a population of 1.6 billion, is producing new airline customers just as quickly. “I think that the demand drivers for pretty decent growth are still in place,” he says.
Basel IV requirements

One perceived risk to the industry as it currently stands is Basel IV, the next set of rules governing banks and their capital. According to some, the new requirements will limit banks’ ability to lend to aircraft lessors (despite the secure nature of the returns from those businesses), forcing them to look elsewhere for the cash they need.

Will the changes have an impact?

“I think today that there is no shortage of liquidity in the industry,” Burger says. “Whether it’s lending, whether it’s on the equity side, the demand, I think, for exposure to aviation finance seems very robust.
“We see that in pretty much every corner of the world and across the product spectrums. There are certain deals out there where you are going to end up with irrational levels of competition. There are deals where you scratch your head and say, ‘I just don’t get it’, and you walk away.

“I would say that PK, which is our lending business, is in the same camp. If there is a modest trend in the lending business, it is that the opportunities look like they are slightly more attractive today than they were 12 months ago. I don’t know if that is the banks pulling back – it’s modest, right – but there are attractive opportunities. I think the returns are going to look pretty strong for the foreseeable future.”

This may open the door to other opportunities for the leasing operation. Burger believes it can continue to expand by bringing in a partner. “Almost all of the existing business is funded internally by GE Treasury. We’ve got $42 billion of assets and, within that, a modest amount of serviced assets. So look at it like this: how can we accelerate the growth of serviced assets where we continue to have the customer relationship?

“The key point is recognising that, from a GE perspective, we don’t want to go much beyond the scale of the balance sheet that we have today. But it is still a growth industry. We want to be part of the growth, and there is no reason why GE has to have 100 per cent of every deal invested. Why not have something less than that and attract somebody to invest some of their money alongside us?”

Assuming it does attract someone, they will come in as a partner with Gecas. Does he have anyone in mind? “I would say, having been on the road for six weeks looking for potential partners for this vehicle, I’d be pretty pleased with the response.”

Gecas does business with more than 250 airlines. Of those, 15-20 account for a large number of the aircraft it finances. The group as a whole offers a range of services to the aviation industry. A consultancy, Avia, will advise on how setting up an airline in the first place, through to financing the planes, and even breaking them down for parts when they have reached the end of their useful lives.
Although he jokes that Gecas has to sneak into airline car parks in the dead of night, it seems like they welcome Burger and his colleagues. “We get great access,” he says. “I’d like to think that it is not just because we have been around a long time, but also because of the calibre of people we have.”

No complacency

He sees no evidence to support the view of aviation as basically divided into recently arrived, nimble low-cost carriers and lumbering legacy airlines. Burger has met many of the sector’s chief executives and chief financial officers over the past year and says there is no complacency.

“I haven’t met anybody who sits there fat, dumb and happy in the corner office,” he says. “You don’t sense that anywhere. There’s a constant changing of the guard in terms of how do we reinvent ourselves, how do we find a niche that allows us to win?” For most airlines, he adds, the key issue now is offering value to their customers.

Burger is a 25-year veteran of GE. Originally qualified as a mechanical engineer, he worked for the consultancy Bain & Co before joining GE’s equipment leasing arm. He moved to its property division in 2000, rising to become its president and chief executive. GE sold the division in 2015 in order to refocus its operations and Burger moved to Gecas.

He spent much of his first year on the road getting to know the business. Just like property, there were basics to learn as he went along, a stimulating experience he compares to “drinking from a firehose”.

“Looking at the two businesses, there is an entrepreneurial bent in both industries,” he says. “Both actually have a surprisingly concentrated group of people who really matter. The airline industry is, to me at least, a surprisingly small industry. There are a lot of conferences that I’ve had a chance to go to and you do tend to see the same people.

“Ultimately, the other thing I would say is that people love deals in both businesses. If you don’t like people, if you don’t like global and you don’t like deals, this is the wrong place to be.”

While you can talk about spreadsheets and returns, Burger says it is the people sitting down together who win or lose those deals. “It’s the element of trust that it’s going to get done, it’s the human touch.”

On that basis, we can assume that video conferencing will continue to take second place to face-to-face meetings for some time to come.

Aircraft financier Gecas seeks partner for expanding industry (Irish Times)

Shannon-based GE subsidiary owns €42bn worth of aircraft, which it leases worldwide

Gecas, the global aircraft financier based in the Republic, is seeking a partner to invest alongside it future deals, according to president and chief executive Alec Burger.

Gecas – General Electric Capital Aviation Services – owns 1,500 aircraft, worth a total of $42 billion, which it leases to more than 250 airlines around the world, an activity funded by GE Treasury, another division of its parent, US giant General Electric.

In an interview with The Irish Times, Mr Burger said that while GE does not want to extend its aircraft leasing balance sheet much further, it believes the industry is continuing to grow and is seeking a partner to aid it in cashing in on that expansion.

“We want to be part of the growth, and there is no reason why GE has to have 100 per cent of every deal invested,” he said. “Why not have something less than that and attract somebody to invest some of their money alongside us?”

Mr Burger said he had talked to potential partners in recent weeks and was “pretty pleased” with the response so far. He envisaged that Gecas and any partner it recruits will invest together in a structured vehicle.

Gecas employs 250 people between Shannon and Dublin. Its Co Clare base is home to the company’s deal underwriting, credit, legal and finance operations. Its helicopter leasing arm, Milestone, is based in Dublin. It has a worldwide workforce of 600.

Mr Burger took over as president and chief executive 12 months ago, after spending 15 years with GE’s real estate division, where he had also been president and chief executive.

Single-aisle aircraft

Gecas has just announced that it has ordered 75 Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft, worth $8.25 billion at list prices, from the US aircraft manufacturer. Mr Burger said that the new tranche of single-aisle planes will allow the lessor to service its clients’ needs.

The order prompted Boeing’s vice-president of North America sales and leasing, Brad McMullen, to say that the Max 8 remains at “the heart of the single-aisle market”.

Mr Burger will discuss lessors’ financing and returns with Goldman Sachs managing director Greg Lee at this year’s Global Airfinance Conference in Dublin in 12 days’ time.

Brennans Row

Shannon - Commercial Movements (IAA)

|Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sept|Oct|Nov|Dec|Total
2015|1,253|1,026|1,277|1,454|1,725|2,169|2,058|1,728|1,780|1,645|1,283|1,312|18,710
2016|1,222|1,128|1,390|1,488|1,807|2,031|2,032|1,834|1,839|1,698|1,353|1,327|19,149
Change|-2.5%|+9.9%|+8.8%|+2.3%|+4.8%|-6.4%|-1.3%|+6.1%|+3.3%|+3.2%|+5.5%|+1.1%|+2.3%

JCX BXC

I assume passenger numbers have stalled as no announcement on passenger numbers for 2016 has been made yet.

Brennans Row

They need good Christmas passenger numbers to hit the 1,750,000 mark, which would represent a +2% increase for 2016.

Brennans Row

Flight diverts to Shannon with ill passenger (Clare Herald)

A transatlantic jet has turned around over the North Atlantic and diverted to Shannon Airport this afternoon with an ill passenger.

Austrian Airlines flight OS-87 was three hours into its journey from Vienna to New York when the crew declared a medical emergency at around 1.00pm.

The Boeing 777-200 jet was about 400 kilometres west of Ireland when the crew reported they had a elderly female passenger for whom they required medical attention.

The crew requested clearance to turn around and divert to Shannon and asked that emergency medical services be alerted.

The flight landed at 1.50pm and was met at the terminal by National Ambulance Service paramedics and airport personnel.

JCX BXC

Cork, Knock and Dublin have all released their passenger figures.

Nothing from Shannon.

Brennans Row

76 Irish horses cross line in China (China News)

Shannon airlift shows potential of emerging market for Irish bloodstock industry (Galway Gazette)

Developing the lucrative China market for Irish bloodstock has been made with a record airlift of 76 Irish thoroughbreds from Shannon Airport.

All were purchased for Chinese businessman Zhang Yuesheng by Kildare based bloodstock agency BBA Ireland at sales in Goffs last autumn all from Irish breeders. The 76 horses were airlifted in a four-month old Boeing 747 cargo plane from Shannon, landing in Beijing late on Thursday night and transported to stables over the weekend.

The €3m airlift was the biggest single movement of Irish horses to China ever, more than doubling the previous high. It was biggest success to date for the Irish thoroughbred industry in terms of the Chinese market and the culmination of a number of years work by BBA Ireland, supported by Irish Thoroughbred Marketing (ITM ), the semi-state which promotes Ireland as the leading source for the production and sale of quality thoroughbreds worldwide.

Davys Fits

Wow. That must be what you call business class for horses... and still the long face!

Clareman

Davys Fits wrote: »

Wow. That must be what you call business class for horses... and still the long face!

At least it's stable business that won't just hoof it on a whim.

Yes I know as I mod I should know better but I couldn't resist.

Deagol

You really should give yourself a card for that yoke... I mean joke.. :P

Brennans Row

The UK Airport Provisional Statistics for November and December (partial)

Brennans Row

The CSO statistics for October are out.

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Shannon Group records positive growth in 2016 (Shannon Airport)

Shannon Group’s role as a key driver of regional economic growth has been underlined by increases in 2016 passenger and visitor numbers to Shannon Airport and Shannon Heritage, respectively.

In another positive 12 months for Shannon Group, passenger numbers at Shannon Airport increased for the fourth consecutive year with over 1.74 million flying through the airport. This amounted to a 2% increase on 2015 and brings to 24% the total increase at the airport in year on year passenger numbers since the airport was separated in 2013.

The US market again returned positive numbers, with 396,708 flying through Shannon from its five American destinations – JFK New York, Newark, Boston, Chicago and Philadelphia airports. This is a 4% increase on 2015. The UK market proved buoyant despite uncertainties around Brexit, with 758,371 passengers recorded, a 7% increase over the previous year. Meanwhile, Commercial terminal flights at Shannon were up by +5.5% with an average of 45 commercial daily movements at Shannon.

2016 was also a positive year in terms of business development for the airport, with four new airlines - Scandinavian Airlines, Lufthansa, Norwegian Air International and Kuwait Airways – all announcing operations at Shannon. This is the first time in 10 years that four carriers new to the Shannon schedule announced services in one year.

JCX BXC

Wonder what the delay was in that case.

Also worth noting, Kuwait only transit and Norwegian have not announced anything, nor do I think they should from a Shannon perspective.

cnoc

Do the passengers on diverted flights count in the official figures?

Brennans Row

cnoc wrote: »

Do the passengers on diverted flights count in the official figures?

Good question,

I saw one British Airways diversion that ended in Shannon with technical problems and two smaller aircraft were sent to Shannon to collect them. They appeared in the UK statistics as charter flights.

I'd imagine once diversions use the transit facilities then they would be included in the transit figures.