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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Jimmy Garlic

He has to be one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known, not just a stuffed suit like his wooden American counterpart. His steadfast resolve in the face of a proxy war being waged in Ukraine has to be admired, a war that would never have happened if billions weren't poured into Ukraine to kickstart a coup.

Like him or loathe him there is no doubt that Vladimir Putin is a very shrewd operator who is consistently one step ahead of the game.

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B_Wayne

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I'm not even going to try to argue with this hysterical post.
Its like something from a Panorama "documentary" on British state run television or from The Guardian!

So not gonna dispute anything from my 'hysterical' post? Cause it's all factual. Russia were up there with Afghanistan for journalist lives being in danger.

XsApollo

The stupid thing is , it's the way people go on about Putin and Russia and how bad of a place it is , act like their own Sh*t don't stink.
What's the hatred for Russia?
Why is it singled out of all the countries in the world and portrayed the way it is in our media?
There are a lot worse places than Russia to live.
Why arn't we up in arms and singling them out.
Why arn't they in our media everyday?
Does anybody here actually believe that Russia is going to invade Europe and try and take over the Baltic countries?

It's the hypocrisy of it all that's sickening, and people are falling for it hook line and sinker.

There is a lot of scaremongering in the media, pushed by the USA, because it's in there interests to not have a strong Russia.

There is no reasoning with some people on this thread,.
Do ye hold the same disdain for china as a country?
Israel?
Saudi Arabia?

One thing is for sure ,we need people like Putin and countries like Russia.
USA is systematically trying to impose its way of life on every country in the world.
Destabilising regions, arming countries to suit their agenda at that moment in time, then 20 years later going to war with them.
Arming rebels in countries to oust current leaders and destabilising millions.
Turning a blind eye to human rights abuses by their allies that are far worse than what happens in Russia Because it suits them.
Spying on there allies leaders and then complains about possible Russian hackers.

Putin is quite popular in his own country and countries surrounding Russia.
Can ye not accept that , because ye don't like it or what?
People couldn't possibly like what he is doing for Russia because ye wouldnt.

His interviews , press conferences are interesting and he seems to be a lot smarter than Obama , Bush, Enda Kenny, Bertie Ahern ever are or were.

As a leader he is doing great things for Russia, no arguing with that.
20 odd years ago it was a criminal offence to engage in same sex activities in Ireland.
Women were put into laundries ,babies hidden
Wide spread child abuse, covered up.
And that was in a free Ireland.

Russia has come a long way since the collapse of the USSR and Putin has been at the Helm for most of it.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

But you are a liar Gatling. A blatant liar.

Except you and your ilk cant prove it yada yada yada ,

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

You can't argue with the truth

But you are a liar Gatling. A blatant liar.

Mod: banned.

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I'm not even going to try to argue

You can't argue with the truth

Elmer Blooker

B_Wayne wrote: »

If you're openly gay in Russia, you're committing a crime. Any violent crimes against you tend to be ignored. If you're a journalist that isn't pro Putin, there's a strong chance you will be killed. If you're a political opponent of Putin that he views as a threat, there's a strong probability you will be killed.

I'm not even going to try to argue with this hysterical post.
Its like something from a Panorama "documentary" on British state run television or from The Guardian!

cnocbui

Cartouche wrote: »

Putin is popular in Russia. I dont consider the Russian people to be slaves !

My reference to slaves was apropos of having a choice, it wasn't meant to be literal.

Putin is popular. Just as well then as he's the only person still alive you are allowed to can vote for there.

Renegade Mechanic

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Makes you think about the definition of slavery doesn't it?
Irish citizens yet to be born are already the property of the European Central Bank!

That's why I wanted so badly for Andrew Jacksons face to be removed from American money and replaced with Harriet Tubman.

Lefty liberals can still go **** themselves, I just know that Jackson rolls in his grave every time his face is printed on a Federal note - I see it like a hunter arrogantly displaying the head of his favourite kill on his wall - and Tubman was a slave so she should definitely be the face of modern money.

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Makes you think about the definition of slavery doesn't it?
Irish citizens yet to be born are already the property of the European Central Bank!

Vs the property of Putins mafia

B_Wayne

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Makes you think about the definition of slavery doesn't it?
Irish citizens yet to be born are the property of the European Central Bank!

If you're openly gay in Russia, you're committing a crime. Any violent crimes against you tend to be ignored. If you're a journalist that isn't pro Putin, there's a strong chance you will be killed. If you're a political opponent of Putin that he views as a threat, there's a strong probability you will be killed.

So spare me...

Elmer Blooker

Cartouche wrote: »

Putin is popular in Russia. I dont consider the Russian people to be slaves !

Makes you think about the definition of slavery doesn't it?
Irish citizens yet to be born are already the property of the European Central Bank!

snubbleste

Cartouche wrote: »

Putin is popular in Russia. I dont consider the Russian people to be slaves !

Slavs, caller. Slavs.

Gatling

Cartouche wrote: »

Putin is popular in Russia. I dont consider the Russian people to be slaves !

Based off what exactly

Cartouche

cnocbui wrote: »

They aren't given any choice in the matter.

Slaves love slavery, it's so obvious, otherwise they wouldn't be slaves.

Putin is popular in Russia. I dont consider the Russian people to be slaves !

cnocbui

el diablo wrote: »

He'll also be remembered for sponsoring, arming and training radical terrorists in the Middle East and elsewhere as well as a massive expansion of Bush's drone program which both were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Can you quote me some sources for these hundreds of thousands of collateral casualties resulting from drone strikes please.

cnocbui

Cartouche wrote: »

Why do we assume that our preferred style of government is the right way to do things?. Democracy might not be for everyone. Republicanism might not be for everyone, Monarchy ect.....
Russians seem to like strong individual leaders

They aren't given any choice in the matter.

Slaves love slavery, it's so obvious, otherwise they wouldn't be slaves.

KingBrian2

Cartouche wrote: »

Why do we assume that our preferred style of government is the right way to do things?. Democracy might not be for everyone. Republicanism might not be for everyone, Monarchy ect.....
Russians seem to like strong individual leaders

Different societies have different rules, the UN is being used as a straight jacket to prevent gvts from making laws that will benefit their societies. I do have a huge issue with how the UN is governed. The permanent council has too much power with little impact while the rest of the assemble are left to either do what the veto powers say or face the consequences.

Cartouche

Why do we assume that our preferred style of government is the right way to do things?. Democracy might not be for everyone. Republicanism might not be for everyone, Monarchy ect.....
Russians seem to like strong individual leaders

el diablo

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair some of the greatest leaders wouldn't be men (or women) you'd follow out of a trench. FDR wouldn't have been able to get out of a trench.

What the US needed was a president that would unify the two sides. FDR pretty much whipped the opposition into shape. Obama however got struck with one of the most obstructionist congresses of all time.

I do have problems with Obama. The biggest is the expansion of surveillance and the drone program. However regarding his domestic programs, well he did pretty well considering the republicans held either/or both houses for most of his time in office.

He'll also be remembered for sponsoring, arming and training radical terrorists in the Middle East and elsewhere as well as a massive expansion of Bush's drone program which both were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

Obama isn't a bad guy, he is a nice guy, carries himself in a certain way which is dignified. But he is a crap leader, I would not follow him over the trenches. For all his oratory, he isn't inspiring and looks weak on the world stage.

To be fair some of the greatest leaders wouldn't be men (or women) you'd follow out of a trench. FDR wouldn't have been able to get out of a trench.

What the US needed was a president that would unify the two sides. FDR pretty much whipped the opposition into shape. Obama however got struck with one of the most obstructionist congresses of all time.

I do have problems with Obama. The biggest is the expansion of surveillance and the drone program. However regarding his domestic programs, well he did pretty well considering the republicans held either/or both houses for most of his time in office.

SkinnyBuddha

dresden8 wrote: »

The poor can't afford Obamacare.

but people that didn't have health care before can now have it....is that not helping the poor?

Grayson

dresden8 wrote: »

The poor can't afford Obamacare.

Isn't that why he expanded medicaid?

dresden8

SkinnyBuddha wrote: »

and here was me thinking giving health cover to the poor was the legacy.Silly me.

The poor can't afford Obamacare.

SkinnyBuddha

A Little Pony wrote: »

That is literally his legacy, first Black President.

and here was me thinking giving health cover to the poor was the legacy.Silly me.

darkpagandeath

Oodoov wrote: »

His presidency has been in a word, weak. The jobs his term in office has provided have been low paying service type jobs and the country and in fact world is more divided now than ever.

Because anyone who believed being black would fix anything should really look at themselves. Generation snowflake I'm looking at you. Now they are crying about Hilary you know being a woman would make her a good president... Just like Obama.

Oodoov

A Little Pony wrote: »

Obama isn't a bad guy, he is a nice guy, carries himself in a certain way which is dignified. But he is a crap leader, I would not follow him over the trenches. For all his oratory, he isn't inspiring and looks weak on the world stage.

His presidency has been in a word, weak. The jobs his term in office has provided have been low paying service type jobs and the country and in fact world is more divided now than ever.

darkpagandeath

conditioned games wrote: »

It's mad what brainwashing mainstream media can do. Putin is not evil as you say, he doesn't provoke countries but takes action when his hand is forced. If you want evil then look at Hillary or the Rothschild masters that run the world.

The reason women find Putin sexy is because he comes across as a strong alpha male in the sense he is calm, intelligent and not all stary eyed and smiley like alot of men in today's society. These same beta men would believe anything the mainstream media tells them rather than having an independent critical mind and finding out elsewhere what's true or false.

Just lol.....

A Little Pony

Obama isn't a bad guy, he is a nice guy, carries himself in a certain way which is dignified. But he is a crap leader, I would not follow him over the trenches. For all his oratory, he isn't inspiring and looks weak on the world stage.

Grayson

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

Genuinely have no idea if this post is intended as satirical or not.

To be fair an autocratic leader is considered by many political philosophers to be the ideal ruler. There's lots of legends of the just hero king.

The problem is that in practice they generally lead to oppression. Democracy isn't perfect and it doesn't always work so people tend to look at other forms of government like autocracies. The problem is that autocracies always fail. Democracies for all their faults are still the fairest form of government.

ebbsy

the evasion_kid wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Obama has no backbone, awful commander in chief.

I always feel we get the sanitised version of Obama on TV...

No he's just crap all round.