Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/action-needed-to-protect-railway-bridges-from-erosion-report-warns-35325930.html

Haven't heard much about a rail link in a while.

TheDriver

Ahhhh, I thought all ROI airports shut up shop on Christmas day

highlydebased

TheDriver wrote: »

How could the airport open on Christmas morning? Are staff always on call for a divert?

The airport doesn't close on Christmas day.

TheDriver wrote: »

How could the airport open on Christmas morning? Are staff always on call for a divert?

There was 3 scheduled flights on Christmas day!

Ethiopian 777-300 - Refulled, all passengers stayed on board.

Turkish Airlines A330 Cargo, - Refulled

Kuwait 777-300 - All passengers cleared security.

No passengers originated at Shannon for these flights.

TheDriver

How could the airport open on Christmas morning? Are staff always on call for a divert?

Toilet problems forces jet to land at Shannon (Clare Herald)

Open Skies flight BOS-4 was travelling from New York to Paris when the crew made the decision to divert and land at the mid-west airport.

The crew told air traffic controllers at Shannon that they wished to divert so that passengers could use the toilet facilities there.

There were 170 passengers on board.

Flight in Christmas Day diversion to Shannon (Clare Herald)

EL AL flight ELY-15 was travelling from Tel Aviv in Israel to Boston in the US at the time.

The Boeing 767-300 jet had flown over Ireland and was about 230 kilometres west of Donegal when the flight made a U-turn.

The crew declared medical emergency reporting they had a woman in her 30’s on board suffering a suspected miscarriage.

Lady Chatterton

I've a child of the same age. God help the child's parents and family, it's desperately sad news

Tragedy as girl (10) dies on flight diverted to Shannon (Independent)

The child was travelling on board Air Canada flight AC-868 from Toronto in Canada to London Heathrow at the time.

The Boeing 787-800 jet was west of Mayo when the crew advised air traffic controllers that they needed to divert and land as soon as possible. The crew opted to route to Shannon requesting that emergency medical services be standing by for their arrival.

The child was rushed to University Hospital Limerick but was pronounced dead a short time later.

The saddest outcome possible.

The UK Airport Provisional Statistics for October.

A drop of -2.1% or -1,420 passengers.

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

October -3.1%
November +3.0%

First 11 months 1,636,579 which is + 27,502 passengers or around 1.7% growth if my maths are correct.

A drop of -4,760 passengers for October and
a gain of +3,198 passengers in November.

I suppose the cancelation of many flights in October by Aer Lingus in order to cover other Dublin routes had some bearings on the fall in passengers.

Six diversions to Shannon today

Lufthansa flight LH978 from Frankfurt to Dublin
Ryanair flight FR9429 from Milan to Dublin
Ryanair flight FR1453 from Brussels to Dublin
Aer Lingus flight EI3721 from Manchester to Cork
Ryanair flight FR113 from Gatwick to Dublin
Ryanair flight FR23 from Paris to Dublin

http://www.clare.fm/news/shannon-airport-managment-confident-increased-growth-2017

October -3.1%
November +3.0%

First 11 months 1,636,579 which is + 27,502 passengers or around 1.7% growth if my maths are correct.

highlydebased

SHANNON AIRPORT MANAGMENT CONFIDENT OF INCREASED GROWTH IN 2017
20 December, 2016 - 08:18 General
Management at Shannon Airport says they're confident of increased performance in 2017.
It comes as Ryanair is to reduce a number of services for the coming year.
Ryanair has this week reiterated that services to Paris Beauvais and Memmingen will cease next summer, while capacity on it's London Stansted and Manchester services has been reduced post-Brexit.
It also come after a report in the Sunday Business Post cited industry figures for its claims that the Airport would face a "substantial drop" in traffic next summer.
However, despite these concerns, a Shannon spokesperson has now moved to allay concerns.
The airport says it's continuing to work with all airline partners to maximise potential for Shannon and that it remains a work in progress.
Four new airlines have been announced for the Mid-West Airport in recent months including Kuwait, SAS, Lufthansa and Norwegian - the first time in over ten years that number of announcements have been made over a twelve month period.
The Airport has seen it's forth successive year of growth and says it's looking forward to building on this in the new year.

JCX BXC wrote: »

So basically a repeat of the Sunday business post article?

Also, I find it pecuilar that the airport mentions both Kuwait and Norwegian as new airlines for the airport, Kuwait airlines are just transit and Norwegian haven't even announced anything!

Makes me wonder if the DY comments in Cork last week and no B762 on BOS showing caused 2+2=5....

So basically a repeat of the Sunday business post article?

Also, I find it pecuilar that the airport mentions both Kuwait and Norwegian as new airlines for the airport, Kuwait airlines are just transit and Norwegian haven't even announced anything!

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/228248/ryanair-confirms-reduction-in-services-from-shannon-airport.html

Two Ryanair flights diverted to Shannon today due to holding delays in Dublin.

Flight FR7073 from Porto to Dublin
Flight FR9431 from Rome to Dublin

I will be genuinely surprised if they don't operate it, as dropping the JFK ex DUB will just push some transit from UK away as EI won't compete enough on pricing ex DUB.

Will see if my source can confirm whats happening.

Thanks for that, there's a few small inaccuracies in that though.

*Shannon-Manchester with Ryanair also down from 5pw to 4pw.

*I don't see how UA and DL are down any capacity, UA has the exact same schedule as last year and DL infact seem to be using a 767 throughout October, which would represent a few thousand extra seats. (Liable to change though)

*The 767 operation has never been confirmed until January anyway, hopefully their industry sources is not just the Aer Lingus website.

lockman

I don't have an online subscription but did buy the paper today.

The thrust of the article is as follows:

Overall, capacity for 2017 down 6% year on year. Airlines serving the airport will have capacity for 85,000 fewer passengers than 2016.

-Ryanair to cut 100,000 seats, mainly through a reduction of SNN-Stansted from 16 flights per week to 12. Also Beauvais and Memmingen are gone.

- Aer Lingus to grow its capacity by 2% (=10,000 seats) on short haul services. SNN-BOS will be done with a smaller 757 compared to 767 used during 2016 summer.

- UA and Delta will see capacity fall slightly, although SAS and Lufthansa services will add 12,000 seats.

They cite some "industry data" seen by the paper as sources for the above.

I agree a bit of a strange article.

Good to see SNN chamber urging support for current services.

Brennans Row wrote: »

I would like to see The Business Post article too.

Shannon Chamber gives a potentially different picture of Shannon’s transatlantic routes next year.

I'm just confused as to how so many figures are giving their support to such an operation! Even after a clear warning from Aer Lingus warning of the possible consequences. Competition can be good but not when it sacrifices more important services.

What the article also doesn't take into account is how the airport chosen is likely not going to be Boston, but infact T.F Green.

I would like to see The Business Post article too.

Shannon Chamber gives a potentially different picture of Shannon’s transatlantic routes next year.

Shannon region must support Transatlantic routes (Clare Herald)

Shannon Chamber is calling on the people of the Shannon region to support existing and new flights as the Airport’s-US capacity grows.

“The fact that two airlines – Aer Lingus and Norwegian – will potentially be operating a service between Shannon and Boston in 2017 is very positive. The availability of choice on any destination from Shannon is a welcome development. The airport and the region are in expansionary mode so the arrival of new airline liveries on Shannon’s runways is most welcome; they extend Shannon’s, the West of Ireland’s and Ireland’s total reach.

https://www.businesspost.ie/business/shannon-faces-sharp-fall-passenger-numbers-ryanair-reduces-flights-373887

Subscription article, but you can read the first paragraph. Apparently Shannon is facing a sharp decrease in not only European traffic, but also Transatlantic traffic?

I find this rather peculiar, as there is infact an increase in Transatlantic traffic (longer Delta operating season, and it's likely passenger numbers will grow on existing routes with the good dollar-euro exchange rate)

And the drop in European is minimal, Beauvais and Memmingen are gone, but Frankfurt and Stockholm are new.

Anyone have a subscription and be willing to tell me if the rest of the article is as ridiculous as the start of it?

Brennans Row wrote: »

It would be a shame for Aer Lingus if they can’t compete against Norwegian when they operate from Cork.

I really don’t see Norwegian flying from Shannon in the near future as they don’t have enough aircraft to do so.

Shannon’s best bet is to get more Aer Lingus Regional routes from the UK in order to feed their Boston and JFK flights.

If Aer Lingus fails here, it will definitely have a negative knock effect on the future of the US Preclearance facilities at Shannon.

If that goes, I can’t see Delta, United and American continue to operate at Shannon either.

It would also undermine the transatlantic private aircraft sector (corporate jets) too.

The only winners will be the DAA.

It will be difficult for them against such cheap fares. Of all the carriers EI at SNN, have the best cost base.

IMO if things get bad with DY serving ORK and SNN (x2 routes each) then EI JFK will surly be top of the list to go, aa PHL below and the rest should in theory be ok but nobody knows.

Cheap fuel is also coming to an end which will make things difficult for DY and lesser so EI.

Many US airlines are in contraction mode on T/A, UA have scrapped a few routes recently (one against DY), AA have cut one or two as well, DL have transferred some to VS (lower cost)

TBH probally be 2018 or even 2019 before anything happens.

Also interesting to note Shannon Christmas Passengers up 5%

€1 million euro facelift unveiled at Bunratty Castle and Folk Park (Galway Advertiser)

Shannon unveils crafty tourist gem (The Sunday Times)

Doonbeg resort set for ‘banner’ 2017 says Donald Trump’s son (Cork Examiner)

Brennans Row wrote: »

It would be a shame for Aer Lingus if they can’t compete against Norwegian when they operate from Cork.

I really don’t see Norwegian flying from Shannon in the near future as they don’t have enough aircraft to do so.

They have plenty of 737's, the aircraft being used will not be 787's. If these routes do actually start I can see a based aircraft in both T.F Green and Stewart with the flights being split between ORK/SNN, that is of course, assuming this wasn't a big hypothetical by Norwegian.

Shannon’s best bet is to get more Aer Lingus Regional routes from the UK in order to feed their Boston and JFK flights.

Agreed, but this is hard to do, you won't get Stobart to switch DUB aircraft to feed SNN at peak transfer times, it wouldn't be wise to do so, so you have to persuade them to operate a Cork aircraft on a route from SNN at a time suitable for transfers. This happens already with EDI, but the two other flights that take the early morning slot are MAN and BHX, which are the two biggest Stobart routes from Cork, so unless they move BHX to an earlier time I don't see it being possible to feed flights anymore than they currently do.

If Aer Lingus fails here, it will definitely have a negative knock effect on the future of the US Preclearance facilities at Shannon.

Will it? If Aer Lingus drop out, I can see the services being mostly picked up by other carriers, delta may even start Boston! (As they are doing in Dublin this year) The reduction in services would be noticeable but not detrimental in my opinion. Keep in mind that in 2010 there was only 2 daily US flights in the peak summer! That compares to 6 daily in the peak summer now!

The only winners will be the DAA.

I don't think the DAA can be blamed for this one, they didn't negotiate a deal with Norwegian on behalf of Shannon.