Max Powers wrote: » you are gone off on a tangent there but to address it,I believe people in the area would be better served by Waterford council, makes sense on so many fronts already covered.I do recognise that slieverue is a bit further away and bit different possibly.however, my main point is Mary butler should be in favour of what helps Waterford, we'll be waiting for kk td's to do anything for us. BTW, emails are not useless, maybe my one won't change her stance but a few more of the same might if people could be bothered helping themselves.
Squidvicious wrote: » I find that I am perfectly well served by Kilkenny County Council. What will Waterford County Council do differently or better for me?
Squidvicious wrote: » Max Powers wrote: » you are gone off on a tangent there but to address it,I believe people in the area would be better served by Waterford council, makes sense on so many fronts already covered.I do recognise that slieverue is a bit further away and bit different possibly.however, my main point is Mary butler should be in favour of what helps Waterford, we'll be waiting for kk td's to do anything for us. BTW, emails are not useless, maybe my one won't change her stance but a few more of the same might if people could be bothered helping themselves. I find that I am perfectly well served by Kilkenny County Council. What will Waterford County Council do differently or better for me?
Squidvicious wrote: » http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/12/16/waterford-armed-forces-bombard-kilkenny-rebels-in-battle-for-ferrybank/ Pretty good effort from the WWN lads in fairness:D
Jambo wrote: » Honestly, I cannot understand why these politicians are taking such stances it’s certainly not for the benefit of their constituents. I would describe myself as a person whom all my life would have said not an inch of black and amber turf should be handed over to the Deise, however since I no have had kids I have very quickly realised how much of a no man’s land Ferrybank and south Kilkenny is in respect of the lack of services, facilities and amenities available to myself and my Family! We heavily rely on our cars to access vital amenities and facilities in Waterford City and its Suburbs that are simply not present on our side of the river due to this two-council situation! Per the 2011 Census Ferrybank has a population of 5722 (911 for Ferrybank within Waterford, and 4811 for Ferrybank in Kilkenny (Kilculliheen Barony / Parish which accounts for approx. 30% of the land subject to the so called “land grab”)) in comparison Carrick on Suir has a population of 5886, Dungarvan 8000 yet Ferrybank doesn’t even come close to having 10% of the basic Public Amenities and Facilities that these areas have! Even the village of Portlaw (Pop 1598) has more than Ferrybank yet its a 3rd the size of it. Compare Ferrybank to other suburbs of Waterford such as the Ardkeen / Dunmore Road area or the Lisduggan / Lismore / Cleaboy area both which have similar populations and then think of the facilities and amenities available in these areas then true deficit of facilities and amenities seen in Ferrybank really becomes apparent! Now add to the mix that each of these areas have excellent links to the rest of the City as all are directly connected to the city and the other suburbs a network of various roads and routes where as Ferrybank is essentially divided and isolated from the rest of the city and its Suburbs by the river, mount misery and the derelict north quays with realistically only one viable congested bridge to the city which is 1.1km from the shops in Ferrybank and even further from the widespread residential areas in Ferrybank. IMO Ferrybank’s uniqueness urgently needs to be recognized managed correctly as one area by one council and not split between two councils. I do understand the anger that folk on the outer limits of this "land grab" feel but what I say to them is why should you have to travel to Waterford City / New Ross etc for basic amenities, when people living the same distance from Waterford they are (but in County Waterford) may only have to travel their nearest suburb such as Ardkeen, or Lisduggan ? Would you no prefer being able to do the same business / activity closer to home in Ferrybank ? If this merger gets approved (which I hope it does) I sincerely hope Waterford will develop Ferrybank and give us the same vital amenities and facilities that each other suburb of the city has. </rant>
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Max Powers wrote: » Really, you're ok with decades of kkcoco under investing in the area.
BBM77 wrote: » a. From this and other things it sounds like the boundary extension will be recommended. b. This is another example of why I have believed for a long time that the city should be a constituency on its own. These county TD’s simple do not represent the city full stop. Also, I hate FG for the way they have treated Waterford while in power this time around. But I would consider voting for them again if they carry through with the boundary extension. It would be one of the most refreshing things I have seen in politics in Ireland. For once a decisions would be made on common sense and not the tribal BS we get in politics in Ireland.
robtri wrote: » I am curious as well what will Waterford do for the newly aquired area's??
Jambo wrote: » There was a discussion about this on Deise AM this morning between Maria Mc Cann and Paudie Coffey (whom I personally have no time for) but every single word he uttered was correct and to the point as why this should happen and I have to say I totally agreed with the man for once. Im sure the podcast will be online shortly but the general gist if what he spoke about was that the boundary extension was needed so that the city and it services could grow on the Ferrybank side of the river in a sustainable manner around the city center and not how it currently is on one side and away from the City Centre out towards Dunmore, Tramore, and Kilmeadan. At the end of the day its not about GAA, its about putting Waterford back on the map as a large centre to serve the region just like Cork, Galway, Limerick or Dublin rather than continw the present situation where by the south east haa many centres all competing against each other. This will IMO benefit the entire region, not just Waterford.
Squidvicious wrote: » Admittedly, I didn't hear the interview. However, I do not see why a boundary extension is needed if you want more housing on the North side of the river. There has already been significant development. As somebody pointed out above, the population of Ferrybank in KK is almost 5,000. That's a significant increase mainly over the past 20 years or so and all done under KKCC's watch. How will WCC do it differently? In any case, I really don't see how having the next 1,000 houses to be built locally put on the North side of the river as opposed to the South side of the river will make any difference. As I've said before, the whole reason for the extension is that WCC wants the rates.
Jambo wrote: » When you consider that The WD KK Boundary Commission was set up by the then Minister Alan Kelly, when he set up 4 or 5 other commissions all with the same aim of looking how to promote sustainable growth in a number of population centers in the country where growth has been skewed / hampered because the relevant urban areas covered more than one council area. So bearing this in mind I don't see how the "Land Grab" or "Rates Grabbing" arguments can hold water. I live in Ferrybank (in Kilkenny) and have done virtually all my years since birth, IMO Kilkenny has left us down, they have not developed the area they way it should have been. Ask to yourself What has KK CoCo done with all the development contributions they took in form all the developments in Ferrybank over the last 20 years (which are normally ment to stay in the area) ? They have in the vast majority invested them elsewhere in the County, Ask most councillors and they will tell you that. As Ferrybank (in KK) is the largest population center in Kilkenny outside if Kilkenny itself with a population twice that of the next nearest population centers of Callan and Castlecomer why is Ferrybank light years behind in terms if investment, amenities and facilities for the population if KK Council are looking after us? Anyone whom lives in the affected area and thinks KK County Council is working for us, please go online or to the council offices and get yourself a copy of the various local area plans, both current and expired and read for youself all the talk and promises that Kilkenny never delivered on for the Area.
Deiseen wrote: » One thing that people don't mention is that, if the boundary is extended, it will instantly increase the population of Waterford City. There were numerous times where Waterford didn't receive various schemes or investment because of "population". That argument becomes harder to make when your population increases by around 5000 overnight. If it means getting one or two things from the government, that we normally wouldn't, then that is a direct benefit to the people in South Kilkenny.
Squidvicious wrote: » Following the city and county amalgamation, is Waterford City separately counted any more or would it simply be 5K more into Co.Waterford?
zulutango wrote: » Would the posters here from Kilkenny and Waterford agree to the amalgamation of Kilkenny and Waterford councils?
zulutango wrote: » I'm from the border of Limerick and Clare (a.k.a Limerick City). We have a similar situation happening here. It makes sense that the administrative boundary of the city is extended into areas of Clare where a lot of people live. What makes even more sense is that the counties of Limerick and Clare are amalgamated into one regional authority. Would the posters here from Kilkenny and Waterford agree to the amalgamation of Kilkenny and Waterford councils?
road_high wrote: » People are very attached to their own county and hence local authority.
road_high wrote: » Another one is a SE regional authority but I can only imagine the WW3 that would ensue with "who got what" etc etc.
zulutango wrote: » There would be no need for the GAA boundaries to change. Why are GAA boundaries linked to local authority boundaries anyway?Everybody benefits, nobody loses.
Squidvicious wrote: » Admittedly, I didn't hear the interview. However, I do not see why a boundary extension is needed if you want more housing on the North side of the river. There has already been significant development. As somebody pointed out above, the population of Ferrybank in KK is almost 5,000. That's a significant increase mainly over the past 20 years or so and all done under KKCC's watch. How will WCC do it differently? In any case, I really don't see how having the next 1,000 houses to be built locally put on the North side of the river as opposed to the South side of the river will change matters. As I've said before, the whole reason for the extension is that WCC wants the rates. As for the bit I've highlighted, a boundary extension will make very little difference here. One thing that Waterford badly needs is support from surrounding counties so that, for example, the local hospital and WIT are recognised as centres for the whole region. Basically, that Waterford is recognised as the centre for the region. However, it's hard to expect cooperation when you're constantly trying to move your boundary. Waterford would do far better to forget about the extension and concentrate on building good relations with neighbouring counties so that the whole region can grow.
zulutango wrote: » There would be no need for the GAA boundaries to change. Why are GAA boundaries linked to local authority boundaries anyway? .
road_high wrote: » I really think this whole boundary review has been appallingly divisive and down right insulting and unnecessary. Such a waste of time when they are so many bigger issues in the country.
Squidvicious wrote: » In reality, I really think that it's all of far less importance than many people think. Councils have very limited powers in Ireland. We're a very centralised country
