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Anyone else fed up of the Gardai whinging about pay?

jetsonx

If they were doing a decent job I would probably have some sympathy for them. But the fact they just seem more interested in doing low-hanging fruit police work means I just don’t have any pity for them. For example, setting up speed traps at the bottom of hills and going undercover at rock concerts to catch teenagers with spliffs just to get the conviction rates up is not proper policing. It's just shooting fish in a barrel.

Then I hear plenty of stories where offices and houses have been burgled and the caller was simply told they don’t have enough “resources” to send someone out. I mean WTF? That is what they are paid to do. And then there is the problem with violent gun crime in the country - a battle which our force seems to have given up on. I guess catching an 18-year old with a bit of dope at a rock concert and clocking up a conviction is a lot less hassle.

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Joshua J

You'd deal with more scobies on a daily basis working in LIDL than as a Guard. Ain't no one hand-wringing to get them a raise.

Skommando

Joshua J wrote: »

You'd deal with more scobies on a daily basis working in LIDL than as a Guard.

Fantasy

The Rape of Lucretia

Abso ****ing lutely. ****ing overpaid ****s. Exploiting their ****ing privileged position. *****. Assholes **** dont know a good thing when they have it. Their ******* claim is a load of ****. It isnt even a claim. The only ****ing decision that could justly be made on their pay is to reduce it. ****ing ***** paid allowances for everything bar ****** scratching their arses. Cocksucking gob****es. Bullying the people of Ireland into paying them even more is ****ing extortion. Pissing all over us. ****ing ****s.

Skommando

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Abso ****ing lutely. ****ing overpaid ****s. Exploiting their ****ing privileged position. *****. Assholes dont know a good thing when they have it. Their claim is a load of ****. It isnt even a claim. The only ****ing decision that could justly be made on their pay is to reduce it. ****ing allowances for every thing bar scratching their arses. Cocksucking gob****es. Bullying the people of Ireland into paying them even more is ****ing extortion. Pissing all over us. ****ing ****s.

Would you be 'known' to the Gardai by any chance ?

diomed

wingbacknr5 wrote: »

And every media report on their pay states that "Garda morale is said to be at an all time low".
I have never heard it said that Garda morale is on the increase.
Who is measuring this, have they a morale-ometer or something.

Careful. You might make them cry.

Galwayguy35

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

No , never. The local Garda has to follow orders- if you don't break the law then it's not an issue .

Well you would say that, you lot are always whinging about pay as well.

Joshua J

Skommando wrote: »

Fantasy

The only fantasy is the one perpetuated by the Garda Unions that the average guard is living hand to mouth.

Skommando

Joshua J wrote: »

The only fantasy is the one perpetuated by the Garda Unions that the average guard is living hand to mouth.

most working people are. higher wages for all ordinary people are badly needed.

[Deleted User]

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Abso ****ing lutely. ****ing overpaid ****s. Exploiting their ****ing privileged position. *****. Assholes **** dont know a good thing when they have it. Their ******* claim is a load of ****. It isnt even a claim. The only ****ing decision that could justly be made on their pay is to reduce it. ****ing ***** paid allowances for everything bar ****** scratching their arses. Cocksucking gob****es. Bullying the people of Ireland into paying them even more is ****ing extortion. Pissing all over us. ****ing ****s.

You will be delighted to know that the raise in salary starts in January then
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The Rape of Lucretia

bubblypop wrote: »

You will be delighted to know that the raise in salary starts in January then
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Well aint that just ****ing **** **** and ****ing great for them and **** for the rest of us. ****ing hell.

[Deleted User]

Skommando wrote: »

most working people are. higher wages for all ordinary people are badly needed.

Less income tax should be the order of the day. The money left in peoples pockets will be spent, much of it in the economy here. Win win for all really.

Except those on the scratch who will piss and moan, can't please everyone though :pac:

[Deleted User]

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well aint that just ****ing **** **** and ****ing great for them and **** for the rest of us. ****ing hell.

LOLZ

Joshua J

Skommando wrote: »

most working people are. higher wages for all ordinary people are badly needed.

Tbh I'm in favour of them getting a rise because the sooner this sorry excuse for a system collapses in on itself through greed the better.

Mantis Toboggan

What's the starting salary? Around 27000, probably 10000 over time also with a massive pension after 35 years!

Not bad considering they only do 6 months in templemore.

ED E

Tyson Fury wrote: »

What's the starting salary? Around 27000, probably 10000 over time also with a massive pension after 35 years!

Not bad considering they only do 6 months in templemore.

Minimum wage paid including trainees is over 30k.

Little CuChulainn

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They were walking around the carpark today in blanch shopping centre checking windows, now - I've no issue with them having checkpoints or catching people on the road that shouldn't be on the roads, but you'd think they'd have more to be worrying about than walking around a carpark collecting revenue given the state of the country at the minute with people being shot at, mugged, and burgled

This is the kind of retarded nonsense that makes these threads so pointless. Never in the history of the Gardaí has a member been sent to a carpark to look for cars with no tax. Blanchardstown Gardaí are so busy they rarely get a break in a 10 hour shift.

jetsonx wrote: »

If they were doing a decent job I would probably have some sympathy for them. But the fact they just seem more interested in doing low-hanging fruit police work means I just don’t have any pity for them. For example, setting up speed traps at the bottom of hills and going undercover at rock concerts to catch teenagers with spliffs just to get the conviction rates up is not proper policing. It's just shooting fish in a barrel.

Then I hear plenty of stories where offices and houses have been burgled and the caller was simply told they don’t have enough “resources” to send someone out. I mean WTF? That is what they are paid to do. And then there is the problem with violent gun crime in the country - a battle which our force seems to have given up on. I guess catching an 18-year old with a bit of dope at a rock concert and clocking up a conviction is a lot less hassle.

Speed traps are like myths on regular units. Even traffic units only get them done now and again. If it wasn't for the vans there'd be very few speeding tickets given out.

And the undercovers at festivals? Local drug units do this and they rarely number above four members. And they aren't undercover either, they are just in plain clothes. They can easily be spotted but people are so stupid they don't even look at the person they try sell to. Going undercover to buy drugs is a specialised area that requires months of training due to the dangers involved and there are only a handful of Gardaí that actually do this. Last time I went to a festival I saw three people openly dealing before I got from the carpark to the entrance. But they should be ignored because someone in Dublin has their house burgled? Such tripe.

Those gangland murders? A special task force was set up as well as an armed response unit. Over 50 Gardaí involved all dedicated the gangland violence.

TheDoc wrote: »

12 guards recently turned up at a neighbouring house, to execute something to do with a traffic violation. 12 guards....12

When asked why there was 12 Guards at the house (owner known as a friendly, community oriented gentleman) the response was " Christmas overtime sure". No arrest that anyone could see, pretty much just a service of a ticket or something. Me and other neighbours were in absolute shock, and some of us made it clear what we thought about the total waste of resources.

People will believe anything. 12 Gardaí to serve a ticket? On what universe is this a remotely plausible possibility? Do people even read what they are writing?

Mantis Toboggan

ED E wrote: »

Minimum wage paid including trainees is over 30k.

As I was saying good deal for the 6 months in college.

ED E

Tyson Fury wrote: »

As I was saying good deal for the 6 months in college.

Aye. Wouldn't use the term college for vocational training.

Mountainsandh

Grayson wrote: »

The solution to that isn't to throw money at the staff. That would work in the short term but in the end it'll make no difference. Yes, they should be paid fairly but increasing pay is no substitute for creating better conditions or a more effective structure.

btw, I think he means the new guy doesn't decide what he does but he does decide to be a prick when doing it.

Yeah I agree with you, throwing money at staff is not a solution.
Throwing money at "resources" in the broad sense of the term, and lowering taxes on people delivering services would be a much better option. And fixing issues like rents like you said.

It's not happening though, and instead all those delivering these services have to work harder, in worse conditions, with the clearest viewpoint on the mess created by lack of resources and the impossibility to counteract that.

So I don't get fed up with the claims for a better pay. We need people to provide services, and they're still doing in, albeit in dire conditions.

Mountainsandh

Joshua J wrote: »

You'd deal with more scobies on a daily basis working in LIDL than as a Guard. Ain't no one hand-wringing to get them a raise.

There is a difference between occasional contact with "scobies" in a retail situation, and enforcing laws and rules onto confrontational people who (mostly) hate you.