Amazingfun wrote: » It was you who said "Hispanic identity doesn't exist". I provided actual evidence to the contrary that not only does it exist, it does so in a free, even encouraged fashion, unencumbered by the kind of lowball attacks from media, etc, that Spencer, who is trying to do the very same thing for Whites, faces.
Amazingfun wrote: » NPI and Amren confernces have long welcomed jewish speakers and attendees
K-9 wrote: » It was a video, broadcast live on one of the news channel IIRC so not edited or anything.
Tony EH wrote: » Because I'm calling you out on the excuses you're trying to make for this guy. Personally, I don't care what you believe, or what judgements you wish to "reserve". But, if you're going to try an convince people that Richard Spencer is an innocent ingenue of some description, you can expect others to disagree, when Spencer's own choice of words are there for everyone to see. Also, simply saying that "some of ''that stuff'' needs to be knocked on the head" is absolutely not good enough and is still no excuse.
Hank Scorpio wrote: » One of the biggest problems is the race baiting by the media. The hand's up don't shoot lie created hysteria forming groups like Black Lives Matter which are one of the biggest hate groups in the America. I'd also put a lot of it down to people Hillary Clinton, it's clear from the DNC leaks how her staffers have no respect for minorities and imo use them solely for votes which creates massive tensions, along with the constant race segregation and calling Trump supporters racist, homophobic etc. Trump himself is clearly not innocent either as he's said many stupid things about Muslims, Mexico etc, and I'm not making excuses for him here, but the way Clinton's campaign went about it in the long term is far more damaging and conniving. People forget the images posted by her Campaign of Obama in a certain garp when she was running against him which many believe created the birther movement, Trump later also foolishly became involved with accusations. IMO the vast majority of Trump supporters aren't bigots or racists and the same for Hillary supporters. There is small groups of extreme people on each side. What's more damaging is when all supporters of a single side are labeled as such.
Widdershins wrote: » If not trying to convince me, fine So why the need to jump on my comment about reserving judgement and pointing out that he admitted some of ''that stuff'' needs to be knocked on the head? It does look like any comment that isn't outright condemning him will always be criticised as it was in my case. I don't think there's much more to be said and don't want to derail the thread-my opinion hasn't changed regardless of what other boards users want to read into it.
Tony EH wrote: » Bah, I've done it myself. The difference is, when it's being encouraged by shouting the English version of Seig Heil at a political meeting, there's a context involved that eliminates any "frivolity".
midnight city wrote: » Even people you don't like or normally disagree with can make valid points. You shouldn't dismiss everything someone says because they are on the opposite end of the political spectrum as you. You said you were for open borders. By that logic many people could dismiss everything else you say after reading that.
Tony EH wrote: » Nobody is trying to convince you of anything. However, if you have to go round the twist and try to make it out that Spencer is just having a laugh, when his words betray him, then you have to ask yourself why you'd wish to do so in the first place, regardless of any reserve of judgement.
Amazingfun wrote: » Asian porn star Tila Tequila and a couple of jewish fellas were doing those Roman Salutes in an ironic fashion all day at the NPI event. That is why Spencer laughed when being "held to account" for it. It was just another funny act and indeed part of the exuberant spillover from those in attendance. It was a nothing event, he merely raised his glass as some of the same jokers in the audience "hailed" up to him. The only people "outraged" by this are those unfamiliar with alt-right humor.
Widdershins wrote: » I'm not defending or excusing him, only commenting with my own view. I haven't made up my mind yet because that video is the first I've heard of him and I'd need to know a lot more to understand what he's getting at. I previously commented to say that it would be reasonable to interpret some of the things in the video as signs he is a white supremacist. Ye are all very quick to jump on anyone who reserves full judgement. That is no way to convince people.
Brian? wrote: » It's naive to accept his answers given his behaviour
Amazingfun wrote: » The only people "outraged" by this are those unfamiliar with alt-right humor.
Brian? wrote: » He is completely wrong that "white identity" exists and that the system in the US is increasingly rigged against whites. I'd disagree that "whites" exist as a homogenous group. It displays a distinctly narrow vision of history that judges everything through the lense of skin colour.
Special Circumstances wrote: » Has anyone been at a wedding lately where they ask everyone to extend their right hand towards the couple? I'm surprised somebody hasn't caused a scheisse storm online with an out of context photo yet.
Jep Gambardella wrote: » Sounds to me like these lads could do quite well in Ireland, where you can say whatever outrageous thing you want provided that you follow it up with: "Relax, it's only a bit of banter".
Tony EH wrote: » He said "Hail Victory". That IS Seig Heil. Spencer knows this. I see the meaning here and it doesn't matter how you try to excuse it and what disingenuous words you provide as an escape for Mr Spencer. It's very clear what he means, what he's doing here and who and what he's trying to reference.
Widdershins wrote: » It comes across quite suspicious alright but he didn't say sig heil. That's you adding the translation. That's why he was more or less interrogated in an interview and admitted that needs to be knocked on the head. To be fair It often strikes me that certain comments are bollocks but I don't type it out of politeness.
Widdershins wrote: » Not at all. I'm trying to take into account what he said when he was held to account in the interview. It would be one sided to ignore his answers.
Tony EH wrote: » Bollocks. He's at the centre of whipping it up. When one shouts "Hail Victory" (Seig Heil), you know damn well what kind of meassage you are preaching and you know who and what period of history you're trying to channel. No amount of excuses can or weasel words can hide what's going on there.
Brian? wrote: » You're bending over backwards to make allowances for Spencer here. He got exactly the reaction he was hoping for when he shouted "hail victory". He toasted the right armed salutes.
Widdershins wrote: » The hail victory thing, He did at least admit that they need to knock some of that stuff on the head. He said there was about five people actually doing it and the interviewer insisted it was way more than five, and replayed the footage. I still couldn't see more than about five people doing it. So it could be that he was being too slow to condemn it, but doesn't like it himself?
