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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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seligehgit wrote: »

Article in today's Indo outlining Tom Cunniffe's views on the rights and wrongs of the players coup which ousted Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/we-were-unfair-on-managers-mayo-star-regrets-player-revolt-35274707.html

I know December is very much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to GAA news but this is cat.

Roll on the FBD.

Westernyelp

JulietJones wrote: »

Got one of the regular season tickets.. Been trying for a few years so am absolutely thrilled!!

I snagged one too. very small window, just a fluke That I checked emails

[Deleted User]

JulietJones wrote: »

Got one of the regular season tickets.. Been trying for a few years so am absolutely thrilled!!

Westernyelp wrote: »

I snagged one too. very small window, just a fluke That I checked emails

Well done, hopefully you can get a good years use out of it like others have over the past few.

seligehgit

Castlebar Mitchels forward Neil Douglas was named as the Mayo Senior Football Championship Player of the Year.

Westport defender Kevin Keane was named as the Intermediate Championship Player of the Year,Louisburgh’s Kevin Gibbons won the Junior Championship equivalent, while Stephen Coen from Hollymount/Carramore was the winner of the Young Player of the Year accolade.

Ballintubber’s Cillian O’Connor won the Golden Boot award for Top Scorer in the Mayo Senior Football Championship while Shrule/Glencorrib’s Mark Ronaldson was the Intermediate Championship Golden Boot winner.

Footballer of the Year Lee Keegan was presented with a ‘Special Achievement’ award, while Michael Solan was chosen as the ‘Personality of the Year’ after managing the Mayo under 21 football team to the All-Ireland title.

Two-time All-Ireland medal winner Paddy Prendergast was inducted into the Club Stars ‘Hall of Fame’.

The ‘Hurling Recognition’ award winner,Stephen Broderick from Westport also received an award for years of service in promoting hurling in Mayo.

The joint Managers of the Year award winners were Louisburgh’s John Kelly and Westport’s Damian Loftus.

Mayo News/O’Neills Club Stars 2016 Team:
1 Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels)
2 Donie Newcombe (Castlebar Mitchels)
3 Ger McDonagh (Castlebar Mitchels)
4 Kevin Keane (Westport)
5 Sean Ruttledge (Knockmore)
6 Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
7 Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
8 Barry Moran (Castlebar Mitchels)
9 Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
10 Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
11 Cian Costello (Castlebar Mitchels)
12 Keith Ruttledge (Knockmore)
13 Liam Irwin (Breaffy)
14 Neil Douglas (Castlebar Mitchels)
15 Cillian O’Connor (Ballintubber)

Replacements
16 Aidan Kilcoyne (Knockmore)
17 Ray O’Malley (Castlebar Mitchels)
18 Gerry Jennings (Breaffy)
19 Fergal Durkan (Castlebar Mitchels)
20 Lewis Cawley (Westport)

seligehgit

Mayo GAA Senior Relegation Playoff:

Ballinrobe 1-11 Ballyhaunis 0-06.

Ballinrobe will play senior football in 2017.

Call me Al

So, according to tonight's article in the Indo by Martin Breheny, apparently now is the time for Holmes and Connelly to speak out. They held the whisht last year so as not to interfere with preparations of th team,and they feel that now is the time to issue the letter they sent to the county board to the media.
What with Cunniffe last week, and this, not to mention the stoking here, I'm done with it, and more especially them, at this stage.

Kristopherus

Call me Al wrote: »

So, according to tonight's article in the Indo by Martin Breheny, apparently now is the time for Holmes and Connelly to speak out. They held the whisht last year so as not to interfere with preparations of th team,and they feel that now is the time to issue the letter they sent to the county board to the media.
What with Cunniffe last week, and this, not to mention the stoking here, I'm done with it, and more especially them, at this stage.

Not the letter, but a full-blown interview with Martin Breheny.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/egos-need-to-be-checked-or-mayo-wont-win-allireland-ousted-joint-managers-break-silence-on-player-revolt-in-explosive-interview-35300966.html

wirelessdude01

Nothing good can come of this interview. I can just imagine the crap that will be raked up again. As a people we don't know just when to leave things be.

[Deleted User]

Call me Al wrote: »

So, according to tonight's article in the Indo by Martin Breheny, apparently now is the time for Holmes and Connelly to speak out. They held the whisht last year so as not to interfere with preparations of th team,and they feel that now is the time to issue the letter they sent to the county board to the media.
What with Cunniffe last week, and this, not to mention the stoking here, I'm done with it, and more especially them, at this stage.

No problem with any of this coming out, as I said before December is a dead zone for GAA news so MB and the Indo have to earn their keep some way.

But the notion that there are too many egos and outside influences would have a lot more impact had the 2016 Mayo gone out early and not lost the All Ireland to Dublin after a replay.

If this "explosive" stuff does have traction then I hope it makes the current squad even more determined to prove they were right.

On the face of it I thought it was a bad move at the time to ditch H&C, and even more so after the Galway game, but the players more than stood up for themselves after that.

This story would have been good 12 months ago, but the horse has certainly bolted at this stage.

ixus

Reading the article, it would suggest to me that the players influenced the goalkeeper change for the Final replay based upon the previous year. Purely guess work.

I also found it odd at the time that players were allowed to do the Toughest Trade thing mid-season. Can understand the attraction of doing it but no way management would want it mid-season.

Obvously, two sides to the story and it's a fine line between keeping players happy and bowing to their demands.

I've something to talk to the inlaws about at Christmas Dinner now anyway!

Slattsy

Embarrassing stuff.

You'd think the players had actually won something of relevance in their careers with a letter like that.

Dyr

Slattsy wrote: »

Embarrassing stuff.

You'd think the players had actually won something of relevance in their careers with a letter like that.

tbh I said it at the time that you cannot have players dictating to management. Players will always look to do whats right for themselves above all else, it's toxic in the medium term.

Given that they've won f**k all since the coup are they willing to apply the same logic to themselves as they did to the previous management team?

Are they f**k.

PressRun

Why don't the county board release the mediators report and let people know what went on under Holmes and Connelly's management and how they actually got appointed to the job in the first place?

They were never the right people for the job and this proves it.

Supernintento Chalmers

PressRun wrote: »

Why don't the county board release the mediators report and let people know what went on under Holmes and Connelly's management and how they actually got appointed to the job in the first place?

They were never the right people for the job and this proves it.

All that has been proven is that there are a right bunch of arseholes within that team.

Astral92

PressRun wrote: »

Why don't the county board release the mediators report and let people know what went on under Holmes and Connelly's management and how they actually got appointed to the job in the first place?

They were never the right people for the job and this proves it.

Absolutely agree. The whole appointment stunk of nepotism.

Astral92

What I'd love to know is why are they STILL pulling the arse out of this story?

Call me Al

Astral92 wrote: »

Absolutely agree. The whole appointment stunk of nepotism.

This is what was embarassing.
I don't blame the players one bit for the coup. I never rated H&C after the semi-final Dublin games and I was glad to see them go.
What I do take issue with in the current set-up is any undue influence over Rochford by certain parties. If there was pressure to change goalies he may have learned his lesson and go with his own gut in future. Expensive lesson to learn.
But what good is there in rehashng all this in the Independent at this stage.
Let them write to the county board but to me the rest just stinks of spite.

PressRun

Completely spiteful, imo. The appointment stank from day one and they know it themselves. Plenty of people know at this stage what went on within the camp under their charge, and all I'd say is good riddance.

km79

PressRun wrote: »

Completely spiteful, imo. The appointment stank from day one and they know it themselves. Plenty of people know at this stage what went on within the camp under their charge, and all I'd say is good riddance.

Proud county men would have left well enough alone .........

Coillte_Bhoy

PressRun wrote: »

Completely spiteful, imo. The appointment stank from day one and they know it themselves. Plenty of people know at this stage what went on within the camp under their charge, and all I'd say is good riddance.

Actually, no we dont, why dont you enlighten us?

Coillte_Bhoy

Astral92 wrote: »

What I'd love to know is why are they STILL pulling the arse out of this story?

Who are they?

manofwisdom

Some had their doubts at the time but todays article especially the official letter confirms without any doubt that player power was used to remove H&C after just one year where a Connacht title was won and only lost to Dublin in the semi final after a replay.

It now seems player power also played a part in the goalkeeper change in this years All Ireland final replay. If so lessons must be learnt and Rochford the manager should be allowed to manage.

naughto

manofwisdom wrote: »

Some had their doubts at the time but todays article especially the official letter confirms without any doubt that player power was used to remove H&C after just one year where a Connacht title was won and only lost to Dublin in the semi final after a replay.

It now seems player power also played a part in the goalkeeper change in this years All Ireland final replay. If so lessons must be learnt and Rochford the manager should be allowed to manage.

If that is the case the players should be giving the road with a kick up the hole.
I did hear a LOT about the younger O'Shea brother not being part of the panel this yr till his brothers had a word

happyoutscan

O'Shea, Vaughan and Dillon were 3 of the ring leaders.

km79

happyoutscan wrote: »

O'Shea, Vaughan and Dillon were 3 of the ring leaders.

According to .........
Can't believe we are talking about this again.
What have Holmes /Connolly got to gain from this ?

djPSB

km79 wrote: »

According to .........
Can't believe we are talking about this again.
What have Holmes /Connolly got to gain from this ?

I'm sure they got paid for the interview.

seligehgit

I am not too sure why at this stage Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes decided to offer their perspective on the saga as I thought they had said they were never going to do same.

It is true to say that the whole fiasco that gave rise to their appointment stank to high heaven.Indeed the article mentions that neither man was willing to take the role on solo.

TBF to both men they have been wonderful servants of the green and red.The article does give an insight into the oft discussed rumours of certain players attempting to exert an influence on how the team is managed.The Jim Gavin's and Eamonn Fitzmaurice's of this world would not tolerate such antics and rightly so.

From the get go there were rumblings re disharmony in the camp and it seemed to come to a head after the apparent big bust up post our thrashing by Dublin in the league in McHale Park.The saga with regard to Conor O Shea's position on team/panel was an incessant rumour.

The semi final against Dublin was marked by much discussion re the management decision to give up the Cluxton kick out.Arguments can be made re whom made the decision to drop David Clarke.I'm inclined to believe Connelly and Holmes re the background to the change.Yet we were four points up with fifteen minutes to go.I believe the loss could be come to many factors..Seamus O Shea's silly black card,fatigue after two great battles..the crazy depth of the Dublin panel.The line had a role too but as in other big games with victory in our grasp the game was primarily lost on the pitch with a mental brittleness.The players must take a long hard look at themselves.

I found the article informative,I hope Stephen Rochford next year will not tolerate any player power.The omens after the goalkeeper switch in this year's All Ireland final are not good if this was a case of player power?

The saga was a sorry one but nobody comes out of it unblemished.

ChikiChiki

Feel sorry for the two lads. The whole episode seems to have caused them a huge amount of distress.

I think player power ultimately cost Mayo the All Ireland this year.

blinding

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Feel sorry for the two lads. The whole episode seems to have caused them a huge amount of distress.

I think player power ultimately cost Mayo the All Ireland this year.

I'd say that it was probably Dublin having a better team than us (certainly in the replay)...........

NabyLadistheman

Hard to feel sorry for the pair imo..there is a lot of sensitive info regarding the short-comings of the team revealed in that article. You can tell the smugness of Beheny in his last line. It's very disappointing for Mayo GAA overall