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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 3.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.

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Any "Do you even train Bro?" or "I'm an mma fan longer than you" type posts are not permitted either. They only make you look like a fool and as a result, everyone hates you. Yes everyone.

**Upate with Mayweather vs McGregor announced**

Lads consider this the one and only warning - big fight with a lot of hype around it. It brings new fans to the forum as well as the regulars so try and get along. Any trolling or nonsense and people will find themselves on a break from the forum and that applies to everyone.

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[Deleted User]

Anyone know where McGregor was off to on the plane today? Hopefully he is off negotiating a new fight

sonofenoch

Gamebred wrote: »

Dont think all over them are real Gold are they? or is it every title fight a real gold belt is up for grabs?

Olympic gold medals are 92% silver, a bunch of other stuff and about 0.002% gold.......don't see why these belts would be any different

Swashbuckler

finglashoop wrote:

Does each belt have the weight class on it or is its just a generic ufc belt for all?

Generic. Hence Conor was handed Woodleys belt after beating Alvarez. Haha

Lukker-

finglashoop wrote: »

Does each belt have the weight class on it or is its just a generic ufc belt for all?

generic

finglashoop

Does each belt have the weight class on it or is its just a generic ufc belt for all?

Depp

Lukker- wrote: »

The UFC should engrave them after the fights so there is something to differentiate them. Probably too costly under the new owners, wouldn't surprise me if they started giving out plastic belts.

thats true actually wme were probably handing out belts from the gift shop at msg!

Lukker-

The UFC should engrave them after the fights so there is something to differentiate them. Probably too costly under the new owners, wouldn't surprise me if they started giving out plastic belts.

ardinn

Regardless of what they are worth physically if you have 10 of them you will get some kanye west type character looking for one he will give you 100k - sure he could get one made but it wouldnt be the same.

You could sell these priced on the owners stardom!

Subcomandante Marcos

Gamebred wrote: »

Number I seen before online was $15k.

And that just means that's not much the jeweler who makes them is charging them. Not that it's hot much the gold is worth.

Gamebred

Number I seen before online was $15k.

Lukker-

Depp wrote: »

ive heard a few people say theyre worth 200k so id say theyre the same idea finished to a much much higher standard

Not a chance the UFC are dropping 200k per belt. That's more than lots of champions get for show money. If they were worth that the likes of Mighty Mouse would be selling them as soon as they win them.

I reckon they cost 5k, max. Seeing as they are all the same and the UFC probably bought a big amount in bulk, probably much less.

Depp

Saipanne wrote: »

Saw a video on Facebook of McGregor with his two belts.

What's the story with these things, are there "true" belts knocking around or are they all replicas like the ones you see in shops?

ive heard a few people say theyre worth 200k so id say theyre the same idea finished to a much much higher standard

Subcomandante Marcos

Gamebred wrote: »

Dont think all over them are real Gold are they? or is it every title fight a real gold belt is up for grabs?

Gold plated. All of them.

dashoonage

Id say conor is all right....not many title defenses to get loads of belts

*runs :P

Gamebred

Dont think all over them are real Gold are they? or is it every title fight a real gold belt is up for grabs?

EuskalHerria

Saipanne wrote: »

Saw a video on Facebook of McGregor with his two belts.

What's the story with these things, are there "true" belts knocking around or are they all replicas like the ones you see in shops?

My understanding is the belt they are awarded in the Octogon is theres to keep. Champions aren't expected to bring their belt to a title fight, there is an additional belt brought for that occasion. So each time a champion defends a belt, they are given an additional belt. This is why some fighters will donate one to their gym in appreciation or to their coaches etc.

Anderson Silva and Demetrius Johnson probably can't move in their homes for all the belts thrown about the place.

Saipanne

Saw a video on Facebook of McGregor with his two belts.

What's the story with these things, are there "true" belts knocking around or are they all replicas like the ones you see in shops?

Gamebred

He tap like chicken and now fight for belt, this is number one Bull sheet

Outlaw Pete

THFC wrote: »

I stumbled across a video this morning on Facebook actually comparing the power of punches using MMA gloves, boxing gloves and bare knuckle.

The conclusions were that while that there is a big difference between bare knuckle and MMA gloves, the difference between MMA gloves and boxing (unsure of weight) gloves is negligible.

Aye, it's been posted before (in AH I think) and has to be one of the most idiotic so called "scientific" tests I've ever seen.

Yes, the force being delivered is the same, why wouldn't it be? It's the same person throwing the punch. However, to accurately compare how much force would be absorbed (force transference) by one glove over the other, they would need to measure the pressure absorption of the force and the test they preformed doesn't even come close to doing that as they are hitting a punch bag that has a bigger surface area than either glove.

Put it this way: say a rock is hurled at your temple and you have two options before it hits you: 1) cover your temple with a small thin piece of material or 2) cover your temple with large padding, which would you choose? The latter, obviously, and the reason the latter is more preferential than the former is because it would mean less 'blunt force' trauma (or 'sharp force' if it was a sharp rock).

Also, and just as important, is that the smaller the surface area, either absorbing the blunt force (or delivering it), the worse the damage (force transference) is going to be. Which is why for example a pointy stone will break a window but a rounded one (weighing the very same) may not. Or, the reason you would rather get a smack of a hammer covered in foam than a smack of one that wasn't.

Long story short: Force is only a fraction of the story. Larger surface area disperses more of the force. Smaller surface results in much more force transference / absorption.

Not buying all that gobbledygook, well then listen to James Toney (at 2m 20 seconds) and Ray Mercer (from 3m 15seconds into the clip).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbAxheqajKg

Mellor

Depp wrote: »

also if you actually read my posts youd see my belief is as jose has the belt so hes the ''real'' champ, my point was that in a lot of peoples eyes he wont be untill he beats conor.

Aldo is indisputably the UFC FW champion.
But he's not the lineal 145 champion until he beats McGregor.

[Deleted User]

Depp wrote: »

inb4 ''what would he know anyway''

It's not exactly a ringing endorsement

Depp

inb4 ''what would he know anyway''

Depp

Deleted User wrote: »

You have some good points and I can see where you are coming from but from Aldos point of view, how can he beat Conor if Conor wont rematch him?

imo unless conor decides to pop back down his best route is to put his head down, train hard and get a few english lessons, beat pettis/max then come out with fire in the post fight with rogan calling out a rematch with conor at 155...he comes out of a good win making noise given the history between them he bypasses everyone else no questions asked id say and in the unlikely event he wins they have a potentially huge trilogy fight at either weight, it all goes to plan it basically sells itself

[Deleted User]

Depp wrote: »

how do you know for sure he wasnt planning on aldo next? if he announced his next fight and it was at 155 or 170 the ufc would have been dead right to strip him but they should have waited till he announced his next step to make a move and they would have waited if cormier hadnt gotten broke off. stripping the belt was an act of desperation to save 206 with a belt and its hard to see it any other way.

also if you actually read my posts youd see my belief is as jose has the belt so hes the ''real'' champ, my point was that in a lot of peoples eyes he wont be untill he beats conor.

You have some good points and I can see where you are coming from but from Aldos point of view, how can he beat Conor if Conor wont rematch him?

Depp

weldoninhio wrote: »

McGregor is still fighting, just not at 145. Should they just disband 145 until he decides to grace it with his presence??

how do you know for sure he wasnt planning on aldo next? if he announced his next fight and it was at 155 or 170 the ufc would have been dead right to strip him but they should have waited till he announced his next step to make a move and they would have waited if cormier hadnt gotten broke off. stripping the belt was an act of desperation to save 206 with a belt and its hard to see it any other way.

also if you actually read my posts youd see my belief is as jose has the belt so hes the ''real'' champ, my point was that in a lot of peoples eyes he wont be untill he beats conor.

Dtp1979

weldoninhio wrote: »

McGregor is still fighting, just not at 145. Should they just disband 145 until he decides to grace it with his presence??

Yes, obviously

weldoninhio

Depp wrote: »

hes making the point aldo was handed back his belt without winning it back off conor. While aldo is the 145 champ there'll always be an asterix next to it while conor is still fighting, same as the 205 belt until jones retires or is beaten for it.

McGregor is still fighting, just not at 145. Should they just disband 145 until he decides to grace it with his presence??

Subcomandante Marcos

The video is confused in what it's trying to demonstrate.

The advantage in boxing gloves is that it gives more protection to the hand, it's not really about the person being hit, it's the guy throwing.

The structure of the glove down the wrist along with the boxing style hand wraps which almost completely eliminate finger movement, means that the hand is very well protected when combined with the padding meaning you can throw harder and not have to worry as much about hitting a forearm, elbow or head instead of connecting flush every time.

MMA gloves and wraps give a the same protections to a lesser extent bare knuckle offers none of it.

There's pretty much zero evidence that gloves protect the person being hit, they're still getting sub-concussive damage, and it might actually be worse because you can throw harder with less fear of breaking your hand.

Go to a gym, punch a bag with your hands. Then put on wraps, punch it again. Then put on MMA gloves and punch it again and so on with boxing gloves.

Your hand will feel more sturdy and less likely to get injured in the boxing gloves with proper wraps.

Lukker-

THFC wrote: »

Long time lurker here. Don't post as I really don't know much about the sport yet, my interest began and ended with McGregor but in the past year I suppose I've developed a huge interest for the game.

Anyway, only posting as I see in pages gone bye that there have been plenty of people saying that using the MMA gloves would give McGregor an advantage against Mayweather.
I stumbled across a video this morning on Facebook actually comparing the power of punches using MMA gloves, boxing gloves and bare knuckle.
The conclusions were that while that there is a big difference between bare knuckle and MMA gloves, the difference between MMA gloves and boxing (unsure of weight) gloves is negligible.
I don't know how much damage this would translate to in reality, but based on that video even if McGregor were to somehow negotiate using MMA gloves in a potential fight against Mayweather, it wouldn't actually do him much good (not that it would matter anyway).

Anyway, here's the link:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRmOOWPTRBs
On phone so can't embed.

Doesn't make a huge difference in power but it completely changes the way you have to throw and defend punches. It's much easier to land an accurate shot with MMA gloves IMO. Defense is much harder too, surface area of MMA gloves is minimal to the amount of protection you get from boxing gloves.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Long time lurker here. Don't post as I really don't know much about the sport yet, my interest began and ended with McGregor but in the past year I suppose I've developed a huge interest for the game.

Anyway, only posting as I see in pages gone bye that there have been plenty of people saying that using the MMA gloves would give McGregor an advantage against Mayweather.
I stumbled across a video this morning on Facebook actually comparing the power of punches using MMA gloves, boxing gloves and bare knuckle.
The conclusions were that while that there is a big difference between bare knuckle and MMA gloves, the difference between MMA gloves and boxing (unsure of weight) gloves is negligible.
I don't know how much damage this would translate to in reality, but based on that video even if McGregor were to somehow negotiate using MMA gloves in a potential fight against Mayweather, it wouldn't actually do him much good (not that it would matter anyway).

Anyway, here's the link:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRmOOWPTRBs
On phone so can't embed.