JustAThought wrote: » In the usual twisty planning process, planning permission was finally given by An Bord Pleanala to build a new runway (North) in 2007 - with 31 conditions attached - including arguably the most important one - no night flights between 11pm and 7am. Under the banner of EU compliance the government is looking to cede control of this process to a private profit making commercial organisation - the Irish Aviation Authority - which surprisingly is not under government control or accountable to it - it is just seen as an 'expert". Unsurprisingly, the IAA wish to have the conditions of the planning permission overthrown and run planes into the old and soon to be built new runway night and day. Every plane that lands or flies overhead will pay them a fee. The noise for many houses in this NEW flightpath will be so bad that the DAA are "secretly"/privately approaching individual homeowners to propose they buy their homes from them - not CPO, but buy at a price they determine. Thousands more homes will become unusable as functioning places to work, play and most importantly sleep because of the noise of low flying planes that our runway cannot even hold yet as it has not been designed to take their weight and engine capacity. But the new runway North, and its new flightpath will - and they are about to start building it - ten years later, when everyone has almost forgotten about it. The legislation ceding control to the Irish Aviation Authority is about to be brought in by "the government" The Dublin Airport Authoriity has mapped out some houses that may qualify for noise insulation - there is a big difference between their noise allocation and that of the planning/fingal, and the levels approved by the world health organisation. Did you know that this was all going on? Do you know if your house will be in the new flightpath. Have you looked to see if you will be affected? Did you take part in the quietly advertised consultation that was done by a private third party business? Or are you just hoping your home, school, etc will not be affected by screaming planes 24/7?
dak wrote: » Noise affects some more than others . If you are desensitised too it you don't have much to worry about ... But bear a thought for others who are sensitive to noise and especially the health effects on the cognitive and physiological of children that the NORAH report has issued in relation to the effects of exposure to continuous aircraft noise .
JustAThought wrote: » What does the NoRAH report say?
JustAThought wrote: » Tell that to your children & your boss when he's giving you your P45 because your performance is so bad as you hav't had a good nights solid uninterrupted sleep for a month. Someone Has listed a video of a plan taking off here - now imagine that waking you up ten times an hour or screaming above your house as it descends to land on its new route home. The Chinese & Russians have always used sleep deprivation as a form of tourtue - invisible & inexpensive - leave no marrs & hard to prove in court. What hope will an everyday person or family have against this when/if it is forced in.
JustAThought wrote: » A lot of new homes and people are - I suggest - going to be really f****** over this. The lease of whom will be Tyrrelstown, Swords, the citycentre, Glenageary, Dunlaoghaire, and currently affected Beaumount/Artane - and thats on the old smaller runway -
ted1 wrote: » You must be a very very light sleeping , because that sort of noise quickly becomes white noise that goes unnoticed Sleep deprivation torture techniques are very different.
JustAThought wrote: » Being woken up repeatedly and not being able to get a straight nighs sleep or even an un-interrupted two or three hours sleep over periods of weeks or months is bad enough thanks. I wonder now that RSA is running campaigns on how dangerous it is to drive when tired or sleep deprived if the DAA or Irish Aviation Authority will be held accountable & able to be sued if their flight seceduling at night causes people to drive & be involved in a crash. Particularly if there is a record of them having complained about it?
JustAThought wrote: » The noise for many houses in this NEW flightpath will be so bad that the DAA are "secretly"/privately approaching individual homeowners to propose they buy their homes from them - not CPO, but buy at a price they determine.
dak wrote: » You can read up on it here!http://www.laermstudie.de/en/norah-study/overview/
JustAThought wrote: » In the usual twisty planning process, planning permission was finally given by An Bord Pleanala to build a new runway (North) in 2007
JustAThought wrote: » Interesting - scientific report based on long term study & evaluation of over a million people living near airports including Berlin, Frankfurt, Berne in Switzerland & others - long term affects of airport noise exposute included depression, stress, developmental delays in childrens learning and cardiovascular problems - wouldn't have guessed the last one.
Richard Hillman wrote: » I live 30km from the airport. There has always been a flight path over the area but over the last year they have been flying at a very low altitude late at night and early in the morning. This isn't even a not in my backyard situation. My backyard is an hour's drive away from the airport and it is affecting my sleep
JustAThought wrote: » Thousands more homes will become unusable as functioning places to work, play and most importantly sleep because of the noise of low flying planes that our runway cannot even hold yet as it has not been designed to take their weight and engine capacity.
JustAThought wrote: » But the new runway North, and its new flightpath will - and they are about to start building it - ten years later, when everyone has almost forgotten about it. The legislation ceding control to the Irish Aviation Authority is about to be brought in by "the government" The Dublin Airport Authoriity has mapped out some houses that may qualify for noise insulation - there is a big difference between their noise allocation and that of the planning/fingal, and the levels approved by the world health organisation.
JustAThought wrote: » Did you know that this was all going on? Do you know if your house will be in the new flightpath. Have you looked to see if you will be affected? Did you take part in the quietly advertised consultation that was done by a private third party business? Or are you just hoping your home, school, etc will not be affected by screaming planes 24/7?
JustAThought wrote: » haha - thats what you think - Dunlaoghaire, Glenageary and city centre will be affected - depending on the deviation paths which will be allowed from the new runway - 15% in each direction :eek:
JustAThought wrote: » no - it dosn't work that way. The Dublin Airport Authority and new Irish Aviation Authority who will become the new control agency have set their indications of noise levels at significantly different onees to the ones fingal council used when doing their presentation of facts to An Bord Pleanala. The noise levels proposed by the DAA/IAA are already much higher that those recommended by the world health organisation. At present the DAA are negotiating with some houses and homeowners WHO APPROACH THEM or seek to negotiate with them to buy out their houses or to soundproof their homes. However if people do not know they might be affected they cannot sign up to the buy-outs, or ask to be included, or contest the figures, or negotiate.
JustAThought wrote: » A lot of new homes and people are - I suggest - going to be really f****** over this. The lease of whom will be Tyrrelstown, Swords, the citycentre, Glenageary, Dunlaoghaire, and currently affected Beaumount/Artane - and thats on the old smaller runway - the new one will be double the length, take much greater capacity planes, and the city will be facing flights landing and taking off every 3 minutes - with noise levels not yet experienced because the planes cannot yet land in this country as our runway is not up to par yet. The new one will be built to withstand greater size planes, landing and flying over different parts of the city, with different routes and deviations from the routes allowed - therefore more and different houses affected. It is going to be a nightmare.
dak wrote: » Under Internation Civil Aviation Organisation safety rules where 2 runways are less than 2km apart ( Northrunway will be 1.6km from current one ) then planes have to diverge by 15 degrees immediately on take off ...so some parts of swords and many other areas surrounding the airport may just start to notice an increase in noise
dak wrote: » "The vast majority of those areas are very rural so very few will be affected. Certainly not Swords. The closest areas are around Ridgewood and Boroimhe and they are over a kilometer away. None of Swords will be affected by the flight paths." DAK RESPONSE Try telling that to people in Seabury and Malahide ( and no I dont live there ) In the Swords area it would appear that Boroimhe , Ridgewood and Drynam will be affected mostly . Category A & B aircraft ( turbo props ) currently turn earlier than jets and if the current departure flight paths were transposed 1.6km north to the new runway there will be more areas in Swords affected by eastward departures . The current flight path can be seen on page 8 of the link below.https://issuu.com/north-runway/docs/consultation_on_flight_paths_and_ch
tobsey wrote: » Yes eastward departures, but there are very few of those because the prevailing winds are usually westerly. The planes take off into the wind so most take offs head inland before climbing and turning back eastward.
Maximus Alexander wrote: » Who drives at 30kph?
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