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Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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n97 mini

Stephen15 wrote: »

Is that not what this is

No, that has 3 times more lines on it than actually exist!

Grandeeod

thomasj wrote: »

no late night kildare line services in the run up to christmas

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/late-night-dart-maynooth-and-dundalk-commuter-trains-start-friday-2nd-december

That's the norm so. It took years to get a Sunday service and 13 years in particular to get a service via the PPT. Nothing really changes, depending on your age.

spacetweek

n97 mini wrote: »

No, that has 3 times more lines on it than actually exist!

Though no PPT!

spacetweek

AlanG wrote: »

Both are true according to the ministers answer to a question from jack chambers a few weeks ago. The Maynooth line has been put to the back of the queue around Dublin.

Is there a queue?? It's not like there's a huge pipeline of projects!

NiallBoo

Carawaystick wrote: »

Apart from new stations not being safely built on curves, there's no handy unused railway to route the tramline further east then the existing one.

I'm going to correct myself - it wouldn't involve changing the luas route.

All three tracks seem to have straight sections there. Though I'm not sure the straights are long enough for a platform, they probably would be.

carlfleming

There's a pretty good map on the Transport for Ireland website showing both the PPT and the luas extension under construction. Find it under Plan a Journey / Printable maps.

The Mulk

I'm on Irish Rail's site, trying to price a ticket for Hazelhatch to Connolly,
still getting "No tickets between these stations"
http://www.irishrail.ie/fares-and-tickets/dart.

Do I go with the Hazelhatch-Heuston price?

thomasj

Slightly concerning that a maynooth bound train this morning scheduled to serve drumcondra had to skip the station due to "signal restrictions"

Infini

thomasj wrote: »

Slightly concerning that a maynooth bound train this morning scheduled to serve drumcondra had to skip the station due to "signal restrictions"

More than likely it was the points acting up again at north strand. Noticed they've been acting up a couple of times in the last few weeks forcing some outbound trains through the newcommen junction line.

thomasj

Infini2 wrote: »

More than likely it was the points acting up again at north strand. Noticed they've been acting up a couple of times in the last few weeks forcing some outbound trains through the newcommen junction line.

It served Drumcondra this morning, just didn't stop at it.

Fred Swanson

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thomasj

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Irish Rail said on twitter this morning that this happened due to "signal restrictions"

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Paddico

spacetweek wrote: »

NiallBoo wrote: »

I think people on here would agree with you completely.

BBridge will be integrated with the luas and can't be integrated with the PPT.

Heuston is (badly) connected with the luas and should have been connected underground to the centre decades ago.

I'm not sure I agree with you SW, I think the word there should be won't!

Sam Russell

n97 mini wrote: »

Both are called half inch, but were always different. UK is 15mm, Ireland is 14.7mm.

roundymac wrote: »

I think you'll find that you have that one assways. I'v been involved in construction for nearly 40 years and it's all metric we been using. All UK stuff is imperial.

Look on the side of a plastic half inch pipe. It says 'Irish 1/2 inch pipe'

Also check out this boards.ie post.

Ireland has retained imperial pipe sizes for plumbing but the UK has gone metric.

JCX BXC

Would it not be a good idea to allow people services from Cork/Limerick/Galway services to Belfast under the one ticket?

sdanseo

Paddico wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree with you SW, I think the word there should be won't!

How exactly, unless you demolish a few residential streets?

XPS_Zero

JCX BXC wrote: »

Would it not be a good idea to allow people services from Cork/Limerick/Galway services to Belfast under the one ticket?

They can do that now.

You can get a Bray-Belfast ticket or a Cork-Belfast ticket. Hell if you want you can get a Cork-Derry ticket. Through tickets are not available online AFAIK (I've never found them anyway and I prefer to get a through ticket) but you can get them at the ticket office. It may take them a min to find the codes if they are unfamiliar with the station you are asking for but every machine on the IE network can make you a ticket to any rail station on the island of Ireland

The Enterprise itself used to go from Cork but back then the Cork-Belfast run was too long, 6 hours going through Dublin, not sure if it would be faster today

JCX BXC

I'd rather not pay the price of turning up and buying one on the day! Two different online bookings how I did it from Ennis a while back, with a Luas transfer from Heuston to Connolly, which was a little painful.

Could they not viably run Cork-Belfast trains, with a stop at Limerick Junction and somehwre in Dublin to pick uo a few?

sdanseo

JCX BXC wrote: »

I'd rather not pay the price of turning up and buying one on the day! Two different online bookings how I did it from Ennis a while back, with a Luas transfer from Heuston to Connolly, which was a little painful.

Could they not viably run Cork-Belfast trains, with a stop at Limerick Junction and somehwre in Dublin to pick uo a few?

No -there's no way to join the Northern line from PPT northbound. Only southbound, unfortunately.

You'd have to stop at Connolly and switch directions.

JCX BXC

sdanseo wrote: »

No -there's no way to join the Northern line from PPT northbound. Only southbound, unfortunately.

You'd have to stop at Connolly and switch directions.

Something like what happens in Athenry on the Limerick/Galway service?

sdanseo

JCX BXC wrote: »

Something like what happens in Athenry on the Limerick/Galway service?

Identical. But trying to pull that off in Connolly when there's so much congestion already would be no mean feat. It'll never happen.

XPS_Zero

There is no reason why they can't do a Cork-Belfast route physically, though as noted they can't use PPT.

They may not think there is enough demand. I think there would be some demand for it, but not huge. I would imagine the biggest obstacle to it would be logistics: turnaround times for the trains over such a longer distance, fitting it in to the existing network where there arn't many free slots. Remember of the 1600km of track currently used (out of 2400 total) in the republic only around 900km is even double tracked, so there is lots of line sharing and passing loops, it's not always easy to fit new services in. Even the rush hour PPT services are nudging services around them about 5 min late and thats ALL double tracked.

People are more likely to fly Cork-Belfast than take the train, 4 and a half hours is what I'd imagine it would take and thats a long journey even on a very comfortable train like the Enterprise.
The only other 4 hour journey I know is Connoly-Derry which I haven't yet made but will have to soon.

JCX BXC

There is no flight from Cork to Belfast, not since that crash in 2011, and with a stop in say Limerick Junction you're picking up traffic from Limerick and Ennis as well.

Why couldn't they use PPT, other than the congestion issues at Connolly?

end of the road

XPS_Zero wrote: »

There is no reason why they can't do a Cork-Belfast route physically, though as noted they can't use PPT.

they have to go via ppt and reverse. that's the only way they can go.

Jamie2k9

Come on lads there is no demand for direct Cork to Belfast. Flights operated for a reason wtih very high fares and single digit numbers. A journey of around 4h45 to 5h is just not viable at all. 10 hours on a train is not the same thing.

Once again people need to remember a train service is for mass transit and personal, that's why there is a car.

Since the PPT people on here have completely lost rational....

end of the road

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Come on lads there is no demand for direct Cork to Belfast. Flights operated for a reason wtih very high fares and single digit numbers. A journey of around 4h45 to 5h is just not viable at all. 10 hours on a train is not the same thing.

Once again people need to remember a train service is for mass transit and personal, that's why there is a car.

Since the PPT people on here have completely lost rational....

well they haven't really. it's simply a suggestion that could be something useful (or may not be) who knows.
remember, they're is a big difference between no actual demand and CIE no demand.

Jamie2k9

end of the road wrote: »

well they haven't really. it's simply a suggestion that could be something useful (or may not be) who knows.
remember, they're is a big difference between no actual demand and CIE no demand.

I get the suggestion part, but there has been so many far fetched idea's posted recently. Just take a step back, the PPT hasn't even had it's 10th day of service.

I agree about the CIE demand point but come on day return to Belfast by train and flight is very different.

tabbey

XPS_Zero wrote: »

They can do that now.

You can get a Bray-Belfast ticket or a Cork-Belfast ticket.

You may be able to buy such a ticket, but it does not entitle you to travel between Connolly and Heuston by bus or tram.

A passenger from Belfast or Newry wishing to travel to Kildare, Thurles or Cork, must buy a separate ticket, or walk.

Such a passenger, finding he she has not the right change in Euro, then has to find an ATM, get cash, and may miss the train as a result, This person says "next time, I'll take the car".

Another problem I have encountered, is that taking the 0935 to Belfast, I am entitled to a cheap day return (off peak), but if I buy a through ticket in DunLaoghaire, the machine or the office charges the higher fare.

To make rail attractive, it needs to be seamless, not brainless.

Paddico

sdanseo wrote: »

Paddico wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree with you SW, I think the word there should be won't!

How exactly, unless you demolish a few residential streets?

There is easily enough room on the Pheonix Part line to build a platform on the bend before the cemetry.
Couldnt be more than 5 mins walk to the Boombridge platform from there