Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

finglashoop wrote: »

I presume he gets a shot straight away. Same way a champ going up a weight gets a shot.

even with an interim belt floating around...can you imagine the outrage if aldo took a fight with someone other than the ic?

scudzilla

Why would they give him a shot at the FW title again? Sure he could do it, Sure he would win it, but then they'd be right back in the same position they were in last week, which led to them stripping him of the belt.

Nah, Conor's days at FW are done

Depp wrote: »

even with an interim belt floating around...can you imagine the outrage if aldo took a fight with someone other than the ic?

Rules go out the window with mcgregor though. So you would think he was given the option to sign up to fight aldo or lose the belt. If he decided not to fight due to baby coming id guess they can get interim fight and aldo v winner out of the way by the time mcgregor is ready to come back.

Outlaw Pete

finglashoop wrote: »

Did kavanagh not say on mma hour he had both made?

Hadn't seen that, just saw Conor's instagram post at the time.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BH1XyceBAqL/

So some fans helped John get the belts replicated... fair play.

Christ, they must be some spoons at Cage Warriors as it would have been huge publicity for them to present Conor with the two belts again, or even just with two new belts.

Depp wrote: »

even with an interim belt floating around...can you imagine the outrage if aldo took a fight with someone other than the ic?

Imagine the outrage if he fought the ic instead of mcgregor.

wonderfullife

Thanks for all the PM's and well-wishes. Don't drink and drive over the next month and have a good one

Couldn't resist

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winston82 wrote: »

1. I've never met the Mcgregor to know what he is thinking. 2. Historically, you win a belt, you defend the belt.....

1. So, If you meet him you'll become telepathic and know what goes on inside his head? That's X-Men level stuff.

2. Historically, yes you're correct - defending your title is the fight where both fighter and promoter can make the most money.

When this is not the case, a lot of champions and promoters pursue fights from elsewhere.

For example, there were plenty of legitimate Light-Heavyweight contenders for Bob Foster to fight in 1970 yet he chose to fight Smokin' Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Championship.

Why? It made him the most money and vice versa for Frazier.

In fact, 3 of Foster's 5 fights in 1970 were non-title fights at Heavyweight, despite being the undisputed Lineal Champion of the World at Light-Heavyweight.

Why wasn't Foster stripped of his title? I'll get to that.

Tony Bellew v David Haye is a more current example. Bellew is the WBC Cruiserweight World Champion. He's now facing Haye at heavyweight in a non-title fight.

Fighters, Promoters and Sanctioning Bodies are always willing to follow the money.

In boxing, Sanctioning Bodies tend not to strip belts for fighting outside the weight class. Part of the reason these fights are tolerated, and even encouraged, is the following:

(b) In the event that a WBC champion competes in any bout in which his WBC title is not at stake, the champion is obligated to pay to the WBC fifty percent (50%) of the WBC sanction fee payable as if the bout were a title defense, in view of the market value brought to the bout as a result of his standing attained as a WBC champion.

Section 7.3 of the WBC Regulations. In the case of Bellew v Haye, it probably works out at around $200,000 going towards the WBC for doing absolutely nothing, plus they get more spotlight during the Fight Promotion with endless outlets reminding the public that Bellew is the WBC Cruiserweight Champion.

Normally, a WBC champion is required to undertake at least 1 mandatory defence of his title per year. But this can be (and is often) waived as a requirement, as long as the champion is active in other weight classes (and making the WBC money and raising the profile of the WBC). So they will allow Bellew to retain his title here.

Bellew v Haye makes literally every party involved more money than Bellew defending his title against anybody in his own division and everyone - from fighter, promoter, trainer, sanctioning body and most importantly, the overwhelming majority of fans,are perfectly happy with this.

Part of the reason we have not seen this much in the UFC, over it's short history, is that there were very few instances, and very few fighters, that would make trips outside the division worthwhile financially - and the few that were chose not to.

Ronda Rousey had every opportunity and, more importantly, leverage, to push the UFC into a 140lb or 145lb catchweight super-fight against Cris Cyborg. She was the Golden Girl of the UFC for many years with all the power in the world to get her own way. If she truly wanted Cyborg at 140 or even 145lbs, she would have got her wish as it would have made both fighter and promoter far more money than a defence of her title.

Jose Aldo repeatedly discussed fighting Pettis, yet ultimately it never materialised. During the discussions, Dana White said Aldo would vacate the 145lb title. Yet BJ Penn was never forced to do so.

Why?

Simple. BJ Penn was a huge name and a relatively big draw at the peak of his powers. Jose Aldo was neither; in fact, pre-McGregor his level of fame was very similar to Mighty Mouse - acknowledged as a supreme fighter with no drawing power and almost unknown outside MMA-circles.

Demetrious Johnson himself has less leverage and less power than either Ronda or Aldo but with his record in the division, and lack of contenders, he could easily have pushed for a TJ Dillashaw at bantamweight when he was the champion. He didn't.

The reality is this: Some fighters are quite content to boss their own division.

That should never be interpreted as criticism either; it takes consistent brilliance to dominate a division. These fighters are content with the money for being champion in the division and feel it's not worth the risk to their a) brand b) record and c) health in moving up to take on a larger opponent.

That last part is something real. At an elite level, where skills are so evenly matched, weight matters. A lot. 10lbs between evenly matched fighters is a gulf to overcome by skill. Ronda Rousey was clearly hesitant to take that risk.

People like to talk about the amount of weight Conor cuts to FW in an effort to downplay the risks he takes in higher weight divisions. As if the weight cut to Featherweight is a ridiculous one that nobody else endures and he fights midgets he has 20lbs advantage on.

They'd be very wrong.

Jose Aldo and Anthony Pettis cut from higher than 170lbs too. Max Holloway has said himself he gets above 180lbs when not in camp due to a love of food.

Aldo - 170+ cut http://www.espn.com/blog/mma/post/_/id/21357/aldo-easier-cut-means-no-move-up

Pettis - Admits to being 175 before camp - http://www.si.com/edge/2014/07/22/behind-body-ufc-lightweight-champion-anthony-pettis

That makes what Conor did against Nate and Eddie even more impressive.

Alvarez - "I can't cut to 145 [pounds]. I'd have to cut a leg off. I come into camps around 186 pounds. ... I'm not going to listen to somebody from the outside tell me what weight I should be fighting at."

http://www.espn.com/blog/mma/post/_/id/22031/alvarez-says-dana-white-encouraged-move-to-featherweight

So, the truth is you're right when you say historically champions win a belt and defend a belt.

But you're very wrong in using that assertion as a stick to beat Conor or the UFC with.

It takes a special kind of balls for fighters like Bob Foster to move up a weight class to challenge Joe Frazier, who had wrecked his previous opponent (sound familiar?).

Yes, money is a large part of the attraction in fighting outside your weight class. The likes of Joe Frazier, a dance partner to make a lot of money with, doesn't come along very often. For every Joe Frazier or Nate Diaz, a competitor that brings out the best and the bucks, there's a hundred Cole Miller's.

Conor had 3 fights outside the division. In boxing, he wouldn't have been stripped of his title for the Diaz fights because the sanctioning bodies all have clauses that allow these non-title fights to go ahead.

His 3 fights against Nate and Eddie were monumental risks to take. To his brand, to his career, to the profitability of the UFC and, most importantly, to his health. They were both against bigger men than he would have been defending against at Featherweight.

When a fighter like Frazier or McGregor comes along, every party involved usually sings from the same hymn sheet:

Go to whatever weight class you want (up or down), the belt will sit tight - go make EVERYONE a truck load of money and come back when the MONEY-FIGHT re-emerges in your division.

That's how prize-fighting works. It's called "boxing" and it's called "Mixed Martial Arts" but the truth is both are prize-fighting. Every promoter wants the biggest fights regardless of weight or titles. Not every fighter has the balls to risk it. Some do.

Big Irish Balls.

winston82 wrote: »

Aldo shouldn't feel like a knob, Mcgregor should.......

Jose Aldo is a tremendous fighter and seems to be a doting father. He lost a fight against Conor. Big deal. He's doing his best for himself, his family and to represent Brazil. He has nothing to feel bad for.

Conor McGregor is a tremendous fighter and I'm sure he'll wind up a good father like Aldo. He's doing his best for himself, his family and to represent Ireland. He has nothing to feel bad for.

Aldo did get an immediate offer of a rematch when RDA got injured and he turned it down. He pulled out of the initial fight last year, eventually showed up, it was short-lived and he declined the short-notice rematch. He wasn't ready, that's fine, but he got the offer! The narrative of Conor swerving him is funny.

The first person they called was Aldo.

The same Aldo who was 3 and a half years in giving Edgar his rematch and that first fight was 48-47 on some scorecards (wrongly imo). The same Aldo who was almost 3 years in giving Chad Mendes a rematch and everyone knows how close that first fight was.

Conor went a step further than Aldo in that he offered Jose the immediate short-notice rematch. Aldo did not do the same for Frankie or Chad - he went on to fight Chang Sung and Lamas in between.

You're beating the drum that Conor is a disgrace and poor Jose...... When, in reality, he was a) actually offered the rematch and b) when he was champion himself, he didn't dish out quick rematches against fighters who came close to beating him.

You can Scrooge all you want on Conor's ability, personality, fight choices and career but it's not doing you any favours other than looking foolish, illogical and vindictive. Begrudgery.

The UFC might be able to take his belt but you can never take his achievements off him - no matter how much you try to.

ardinn

I just looked at the length of that and thought, "WL is posting again"

wonderfullife

ardinn wrote: »

I just looked at the length of that and thought, "WL is posting again"

Done in one. Happy xmas guys take care of yourselves and for anybody who didn't read, don't drink and drive.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Done in one. Happy xmas guys take care of yourselves and for anybody who didn't read, don't drink and drive.

Best of luck with everything mate. Have a great Christmas. Take care.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/11/28/ufc-send-in-army-to-retrieve-featherweight-belt-from-conor-mcgregor/?utm_source=WWN_Facebook_Page&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=Social_Link&utm_content=Article

Just for anybody that still thinks Conor knocked out Aldo with a lucky punch

Mellor

TimRiggins wrote: »

Just for anybody that still thinks Conor knocked out Aldo with a lucky punch

They recorded that afterwards. Got the team who faked the moonlanding to look after it. #ChemTrails

Killergreene

It's not from the same event he is wearing different shorts

sonofenoch

finglashoop wrote: »

Conor had the belt. Aldo had the interim. They take it off mcgregor and i think aldo should fight someone for it. Instead of aldo getting the belt. Its not a misconception as i understand why aldo gets it. Its an opinion. It looks bad if you take the belt off the fella who knocked you out in 13 seconds and you get given it.

Why can't Aldo fight Pettis or Holloway....he fought in July, fought once in 2015.....does he need 12 months to prepare for a fight

Swashbuckler

sonofenoch wrote:

Why can't Aldo fight Pettis or Holloway....he fought in July, fought once in 2015.....does he need 12 months to prepare for a fight

Because Pettis is booked to fight Holloway in December.

AgaArts

Because the fight is in 12 days time and Holloway + Pettis was announced back in late Oct.

John_D80

Killergreene wrote: »

It's not from the same event he is wearing different shorts

Its the same event.

Gunnar Nelson and John Kavanagh can clearly be seen in Gunnar's walkout gear from 194. As far as I am aware the only other time they were on the same UFC card was in Dublin. Pre Reebok.

Conor obviously got warmed up in different shorts. Pretty simple.

everlast75

Mellor

John_D80 wrote: »

Its the same event.

Gunnar Nelson and John Kavanagh can clearly be seen in Gunnar's walkout gear from 194. As far as I am aware the only other time they were on the same UFC card was in Dublin. Pre Reebok.

Conor obviously got warmed up in different shorts. Pretty simple.

They get to keep the walk out gear. They could have filmed that at any time.
It's probably the CCTV footage from SBG #TrustNoOne

Mellor wrote: »

They get to keep the walk out gear. They could have filmed that at any time.
It's probably the CCTV footage from SBG #TrustNoOne

#tower7

Frank Bullitt

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/11/28/13768596/jose-aldo-wants-lightweight-bout-with-pu-y-conor-mcgregor-after-next?utm_campaign=mmafighting&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

You'd wonder does Jose forget that they fought and already turned down a rematch at 155?

TimRiggins wrote: »

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/11/28/13768596/jose-aldo-wants-lightweight-bout-with-pu-y-conor-mcgregor-after-next?utm_campaign=mmafighting&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

You'd wonder does Jose forget that they fought and already turned down a rematch at 155?

he had his bell rung fairly severely a bit of memory loss would be normal!:D:D:D

Gamebred

He has a certain style of **** talking I'll give him that, I find it hilarious I can picture him steam coming from his ears hes so emotionally invested in Conor the build up to a rematch wouldnt be healthy for him never mind the fight.

"I knew that would happen," said Aldo, who lost to McGregor in 13 seconds at UFC 194. "To me, I never stopped being champion. I lost that fight because of an accident. I knew that I would win a rematch, that I would be champion again. It’s not my fault that he’s such a pu--y he was never the champion. I don’t see myself losing to anyone in this division or any other (division)."

sad to see sh!t like this coming from a long time champ like aldo, completely deluded if he actually believes this

Depp wrote: »

sad to see sh!t like this coming from a long time champ like aldo, completely deluded if he actually believes this

Its amazing. I wonder has he read it back to himself.

finglashoop wrote: »

Its amazing. I wonder has he read it back to himself.

''Conor knocked me out but it was only an accident so it doesn't count and I didnt really lose the belt'':D:D

done himself no favours since 194, his credibility is in tatters

Saipanne

Aldo is obviously a legend of MMA. But, I think McGregor wins a rematch because:

- McGregor is clearly lodged firmly in Aldo's mind. Big factor.

- McGregor is huge compared to Aldo. Another big factor.

- McGregor has become a significantly better fighter since their last fight. This is huge. McGregor grew through his wars with Diaz. During that time, Aldo ground out a decision win against Edgar. It was nothing spectacular. He is arguably in decline over the last few years, when compared to his vicious WEC form.

My 2c...