cul beag wrote: » Giveitfong wrote: » Lismore 2-14 Kilmoyley 0-13 Lismore captured the Munster intermediate club hurling championship when defeating Kilmoyley with reasonable comfort at Mallow today. The game, watched by an attendance of just over 1,000, was played in dry but bitterly cold conditions on a good pitch for the time of year. Kilmoyley, the Kerry senior champions, were very much up for the game and at times showed superior commitment, especially in the first half. They were well drilled, had a good first touch and had some good hurlers, especially in the middle third of the field. However, their forwards were unable to make any impression on the Lismore defence with the outstanding exception of their centre forward, Daniel Collins, who, remarkably, got all his side s scores (seven frees and six points from play). How they could have done with their former attacking star, Shane Brick, who only retired recently. A lot of credit must go to the Lismore defence for the way they subdued the opposition attack. I was quite impressed with their full back line of Sean Reaney, David Prendergast and Pat Hennessy, who were alert, quick and sharp. The first half was evenly contested. Kilmoyley created numerous openings which they spoiled with some bad shooting. Lismore created several goal chances but failed to put any of them away, due to a combination of poor finishing and some tenacious defending by Kilmoyley. Lismore were a bit arrogant, I thought, looking for goals when easy points were there for the taking. The score at half time was seven points each. Lismore must have got a tongue-lashing from manager Dave Barry at half time, as they were a different team in the second half. A quick point was followed by the opening goal, corner forward Peter O Keeffe latching onto a ball which broke behind the Kilmoyley defence to finish efficiently to the net. Kilmoyley tried their best to get back into the game, but the writing was on the wall for them when Lismore goaled again in the tenth minute, Maurice Shanahan running onto Jack Prendergast s pass to tip the ball over the Kilmoyley goalkeeper s head into the net. Lismore were playing with more confidence now, with Kilmoyley unable to even get a sniff of the goal they desperately needed. The Cathedral Town men were happy to exchange points with their opponents, to close out the game 2-14 to 0-13 ahead. I thought that Paudie Prendergast at wing back was Lismore s best player, and oozed class from start to finish. Centre back Ray Barry had his problems with his opposite number Collins, but still hit a lot of good ball over the hour. Maurice Shanahan roared into the game after the change of ends after a quiet first half, and ended up with 1-9, 1-2 from play. Jack Prendergast showed some flashes of this undoubted ability, and John Prendergast put in a good shift in the second half. Lismore: Seanie Barry; Sean Reaney; David Prendergast; Pat Hennessy; Paudie Prendergast; Ray Barry (0-1); Eoin Bennett; Stevie Barry; John Prendergast; Brendan Landers (0-1); Jack Prendergast (0-1); Maurice Shanahan (1-9, six frees and one 65); Jordan Shanahan; Dan Shanahan (0-1); Peter O Keeffe (1-0). Brian Bennett and Ronan Landers came on for Jordan Shanahan and Stevie Barry. There were three further substitutions in injury time. Goals win games and you can't fault a team for going for the juggler. Pity you didn't see that Paudie Prendergast has gone in centre back half way through the second half. Ray Barry and Paudie Prendergast gave an exhibition of hurling today and must be commended on what was a huge success for Lismore
Giveitfong wrote: » Lismore 2-14 Kilmoyley 0-13 Lismore captured the Munster intermediate club hurling championship when defeating Kilmoyley with reasonable comfort at Mallow today. The game, watched by an attendance of just over 1,000, was played in dry but bitterly cold conditions on a good pitch for the time of year. Kilmoyley, the Kerry senior champions, were very much up for the game and at times showed superior commitment, especially in the first half. They were well drilled, had a good first touch and had some good hurlers, especially in the middle third of the field. However, their forwards were unable to make any impression on the Lismore defence with the outstanding exception of their centre forward, Daniel Collins, who, remarkably, got all his side s scores (seven frees and six points from play). How they could have done with their former attacking star, Shane Brick, who only retired recently. A lot of credit must go to the Lismore defence for the way they subdued the opposition attack. I was quite impressed with their full back line of Sean Reaney, David Prendergast and Pat Hennessy, who were alert, quick and sharp. The first half was evenly contested. Kilmoyley created numerous openings which they spoiled with some bad shooting. Lismore created several goal chances but failed to put any of them away, due to a combination of poor finishing and some tenacious defending by Kilmoyley. Lismore were a bit arrogant, I thought, looking for goals when easy points were there for the taking. The score at half time was seven points each. Lismore must have got a tongue-lashing from manager Dave Barry at half time, as they were a different team in the second half. A quick point was followed by the opening goal, corner forward Peter O Keeffe latching onto a ball which broke behind the Kilmoyley defence to finish efficiently to the net. Kilmoyley tried their best to get back into the game, but the writing was on the wall for them when Lismore goaled again in the tenth minute, Maurice Shanahan running onto Jack Prendergast s pass to tip the ball over the Kilmoyley goalkeeper s head into the net. Lismore were playing with more confidence now, with Kilmoyley unable to even get a sniff of the goal they desperately needed. The Cathedral Town men were happy to exchange points with their opponents, to close out the game 2-14 to 0-13 ahead. I thought that Paudie Prendergast at wing back was Lismore s best player, and oozed class from start to finish. Centre back Ray Barry had his problems with his opposite number Collins, but still hit a lot of good ball over the hour. Maurice Shanahan roared into the game after the change of ends after a quiet first half, and ended up with 1-9, 1-2 from play. Jack Prendergast showed some flashes of this undoubted ability, and John Prendergast put in a good shift in the second half. Lismore: Seanie Barry; Sean Reaney; David Prendergast; Pat Hennessy; Paudie Prendergast; Ray Barry (0-1); Eoin Bennett; Stevie Barry; John Prendergast; Brendan Landers (0-1); Jack Prendergast (0-1); Maurice Shanahan (1-9, six frees and one 65); Jordan Shanahan; Dan Shanahan (0-1); Peter O Keeffe (1-0). Brian Bennett and Ronan Landers came on for Jordan Shanahan and Stevie Barry. There were three further substitutions in injury time.
Cake Man wrote: » Seems like Paudie Prendergsat and Ray Barry could/should be back on the Waterford panel next year, if they want to make themselves available of course. Would there be a place for either in the starting 15? They'd surely have something to offer but hard to know who they could dislodge.
robopaddy2 wrote: » There are plenty of lads who can be dislodged, very few players on that Waterford tam in my eyes should be indispensable. Its wrong to think that young lads like Barry and Prendergast fell out of favour with management before they even had a chance to prove themselves, and there's plenty more alike. Plenty of talent outside of the core group of 15-20 who were used in last years league and championship. These lads need to be involved to keep the pressure on the lads that are in favour. Otherwise were in danger of standing still.
cul beag wrote: » I agree fully but without wanting to be accused of being on an anti Mcgrath rant,can you really see him bringing these 2 lads back in? Will it look like he has had to admit defeat by doing so? These are genuine questions. Personally I can't see him doing so as he might have to dislodge some of his more,lets just say,favourite players. It is common knowledge he has a personal disliking for Barry in particular and with Prendergast dropping himself from the panel earlier this year I can't see Mcgrath going back to him cap in hand to come back to the squad. The idea that Barry is allegedly supposed to have a bad attitude is a cop out. I have seen Lismore play around 3-4 times this year and he has been sensational at wing back and centre back. The conversation in Mallow during and again after the game on Saturday was for 90% of it all about Mcgrath having to swallow his pride and bring these two lads back. Speaking to some Lismore people they did say that big Dan has tried everything to get these back on to the panel but is continually outnumbered by his fellow selectors. What is driving the people from this club bananas is the fact that,and as you said yourself these fellas not having the opportunity to prove themselves,is they know there has been a blind eye turned to alot more worse stuff that has gone on this year and has gone unpunished. It should be interesting to see what will happen when the new selector comes on board as Mcgrath now is in a quandary. Seeing as the players wanted O Connor out as he was seen as a complete fraud,does he now bring in another nodding dog and risk the wrath of the players or does he actually bring in someone whose opinion might differ from his own? Some of the players had let it be known they wanted the Kildare man out as he brought nothing to the table,in fact he was seen through completely as being a bluffer and they had had enough. Big Dan's knowledge and honesty was seen by them to be far more important than someone that was their for just personal gains. So to go back to your point about bringing these two,and other players besides back into the fold isn't as plain sailing as we think. But don't tell me for a second there are 45 players on a training regime at the moment better than what I,and others have seen produced by these throughout the year. Go back to last year's senior championship and Thomas Ryan from Tallow was probably in the best form of his life and got one full start in the league in the dead rubber game in Walsh Park and maybe 1-2 token substitute appearances afterwards. He was sensational all that year for his club but never got the same chances as other names that have been well documented on here already. Wouldn't he have been an option to bring on at different stages of championship games,with his pace and accuracy and with games having opened up,space would have become available for him to thrive in. Interesting times ahead lets see what happens.
Cake Man wrote: » If Lismore win their AI intermediate semi final at the end of January, they'll have an AI final to prepare for in mid March. Would it be even possible for the likes of PP and RB to be involved in our league if they get tied up with that? We'll have played 4 out of our 5 league games by Paddy's day (KK, Tipp, Dublin and Cork). Just saying that it would be unfair for people to criticise DMcG for not giving them a chance when the reality is they would be tied up with the club.
robopaddy2 wrote: » Fair enough point, but the key issue here is that Barry and Prendergast are just examples about what is wrong about the current system. By having a 'core-group' of 19/20 players, there are other players who many will argue are as good as the lads in that circle but just out of favour with the manager. If there is depth of talent (as there is in Waterford at the moment) it should be utilised, not just pick a select few to suit the system. It keeps competition for places fresh and Waterford hurling avoids losing out on some of the talented young hurlers we have worked so hard to produce at underage level. As a result you have lads on the panel who are just happy to be there because in reality they are not up to it, the lads that are up to it just get cheesed off with being out of favour and move on.
deisedude wrote: » Kilnoyley's centreforward scored 5 or 6 points from play and some of you want the Lismore centre back starting for Waterford. Jesus wept
The blue blaa wrote: » If the rumours doing the rounds are right then Philip Murphy from Roanmore is the new Waterford selector. Replacing Fintan O Connor.
Deiseen wrote: » . These lads have won colleges, underage and 3rd level all Ireland's, that is the reason they are on the team. Not because he has a soft spot for them.
Deise Gael wrote: » Maurice Shanahan had an awesome year won an All Star in 2015. He was faultless also from frees. It didn't cut much ice though with McGrath when it came to he being taken off the frees and being dropped in 2016. I know who 99% of people in Waterford would have on the team first between Jake and Maurice.
cul beag wrote: » What would his credentials look like?
mountgomery burns wrote: » Pretty disingenuous to be fair. Dillon got 10 minutes between the Munster semi final and final whereas Maurice started. It was clear Maurice was not fit this year and people were calling for changes after the Munster final. Dillon got two points the first day against Kilkenny and a goal the second day. He's an easy target here but think that was justified.
Deise Gael wrote: » Deiseen wrote: » . These lads have won colleges, underage and 3rd level all Ireland's, that is the reason they are on the team. Not because he has a soft spot for them. Maurice Shanahan had an awesome year won an All Star in 2015. He was faultless also from frees. It didn't cut much ice though with McGrath when it came to he being taken off the frees and being dropped in 2016. I know who 99% of people in Waterford would have on the team first between Jake and Maurice.
Deiseen wrote: » If favoritism came into it then, based on what Maurice said, he'd be starting every game!
Deise Gael wrote: » Deiseen wrote: » If favoritism came into it then, based on what Maurice said, he'd be starting every game! If you believe that you either believe in the tooth fairy or you are very far removed from what was going on in the set up last year.
Deise Gael wrote: » My reply was to the poster who was pointing to the past college successes of certain lads on the team as a case for their being automatic starters. Does not more recent good form count for something with other lads on the panel? At no stage during the championship do I recall Maurice being unfit. That was the narrative fed to the media. I was just asking the question that for a guy who was faultless on the frees in 2015 did he not deserve some faith to be shown in him for 2016? He had surely earned that much. It's a moot point in a year when frees turned out to be so crucial. As for people calling for changes after the Munster final - if that's the reason given for Maurice being dropped he should surely have had many more with him.
