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'Young men in Ireland need feminism'

DredFX

Blindboy from the Rubberbandits (this isn't a joke, I promise) appeared on the Late Late yesterday, and one topic he broached was the need for feminism in young Irish men.

The most prominent issue he notices when speaking to men in Limerick is their fear of being unable to offer anything to women, or to provide for them, which Blindboy feels is a patriarchal value that will bite men in the behind if they don't consider feminism.

Snippet from the interview here, if you haven't seen it.

So, fellas, have you felt these kinds of pressures before, and do you think opening your mind to feminism would help ease your fears?

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bluewolf wrote: »

There are so many arguments out there about how feminism can help men as well, but of course, it's easier to just foam at the mouth about how evil women are and everything is our fault

The most poisonous form of that (or one of them) and it's one I've seen several times on here, is men telling other men not to go to places like the Rape Crisis Centre for help if they're a survivor of sexual abuse because *gasp* it's run by FEMINISTS.

If there's even one men out there who was influenced by that and is struggling through on his own (being a male survivor can be particularly complex and difficult) then I hope those guys are happy, totally worth it to get a dig in at the feminists on t'internet. Pricks.

GottaLaugh

He's somewhat out of touch with reality. Suggesting neo-liberalism signalled the end of the notion of men providing for women! That men should not put themselves under pressure to meet expectations!! That modern women don't care about any more!!

He is drunk on SJW juice. Most women favour men who have their sh1t together, even if they are not dependent on it. He's akin to Guardian journalists who called the recent election for Clinton because they believed their theory that women could not vote for Trump.

Still he is young and idealistic and fair play to him for trying to do something positive. Though his theory is absurd and unworkable.

'Hello modern woman, I'm a broke bum who used to be sad and depressed but now I believe in feminism. And because its 2016 you're a feminist too. So you must have a high paying job. Buy me dinner.' Phew thank fcuk she'll never think less of me for being a good for nothing lazy ass. She's recently been liberated from the slavery of feminism and understands that people are equal despite their individual merits. A rationale where I get to eat free dinner and feel good about being the victim. Perfick.

bigpink

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

What's yours?

Blind boy boatclub and Mr chrome

Will they reveal themselves?wonder will they get jnto politics

The Moldy Gowl

Grayson wrote: »

I'm hungover. Work away, just don't expect me to move. (And get the ibuprofen)

Ah the starfish. I'd rather have a ****.

We need a social movement to stop that position.

Grayson

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Can I just ride you to feel adequate instead?

I'm hungover. Work away, just don't expect me to move. (And get the ibuprofen)

Outlaw Pete

Candie wrote: »

Because its womens fault, and that can't be said often enough.

Eh, the thread was started because a clown went on the Late Late and got applauded for saying men are topping themselves because they had a feminism deficiency and you're trying to turn this into being about women always being told everything is their fault??

Renegade Mechanic

"I can't provide".
"I know, I'll become a feminist".

Hahaha

Grayson

Mr Joe wrote: »

I've never met a male feminist that wasn't some sort of creep or pervert.

Could it be that most of the people you know are creeps and perverts?

The Moldy Gowl

bigpink wrote: »

Whats the rubberbandits real name etc?

What's yours?

Blind boy boatclub and Mr chrome

The Moldy Gowl

Grayson wrote: »

Yeah! Now get back in my kitchen and make me a sandwich.

*I'm really hungover. If someone would make me a sandwich I'd be eternally grateful. And grab the ibuprofen whilst you're there.

Can I just ride you to feel adequate instead?

bigpink

Whats the rubberbandits real name etc?

The Moldy Gowl

Mr Joe wrote: »

I've never met a male feminist that wasn't some sort of creep or pervert.

Do you know what Feminism is?
Do you even know what masculinity is?

Grayson

Candie wrote: »

Because its womens fault, and that can't be said often enough.

Yeah! Now get back in my kitchen and make me a sandwich.

*I'm really hungover. If someone would make me a sandwich I'd be eternally grateful. And grab the ibuprofen whilst you're there.

Ferrari3600

The cuck SJW's are stealing our precious bodily fluids!

[Deleted User]

Candie wrote: »

Because its womens fault, and that can't be said often enough.

There are so many arguments out there about how feminism can help men as well, but of course, it's easier to just foam at the mouth about how evil women are and everything is our fault

LLMMLL

DredFX wrote: »

How is it unrealistic? There are millions of feminists in existence, a number that grows by the day, conjoined with the prominence of modern liberalism. There is certainly room to address the failure of men to express their feelings, the pressures of masculinity, as well as domestic violence on men (who account for more than 40% of victims, though they receive only a small fraction of the support).

I've heard feminists say it many a time whenever people accused them of female supremacy. "We're fighting for gender equality." If that is so, the other end of the spectrum has to be considered now and again.

Homeless activists caring for animal rights, a wholly unrelated issue from skin to bones, remains a red herring.

You're talking about feminism as if there's some leader who can say "ok 80% of you concentrate on women's rights and 20% concentrate on men's because the dictionary definition says we're all about gender equality".

Be realistic. Women get involved in feminism as individuals. They want to campaign on certain issues and are more likely to campaign on issues close to their hearts.

It's completely pointless to come along and say to someone with finite campaigning time "oh you should be campaigning for men's rights or the rights of women in Africa".

Mr Joe

I've never met a male feminist that wasn't some sort of creep or pervert.

The Moldy Gowl

Grayson wrote: »

I'm a feminist. I know loads of feminists. I've never met one that hated men. I'm sure with a bit of googling you could find some that do but that's like saying all conservatives are racist.

Yeah I know. That's what I'm saying.

It's just preconceptions.

[Deleted User]

GingerLily wrote: »

Why does this **** get repeated so often on boards??

Because its womens fault, and that can't be said often enough.

GingerLily

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think he has a little bit of a point in that generally the majority of people with depression are single males that are not reproducing. The reason they are not reproducing is that they have little going on in their lives and women are on the lookout for dominant male figures, not stagnant males.

What he fails to understand is that our bioligical make up dictates that females will always want a dominant male, just like a male will always want a healthy looking female that looks perfect for bearing children. That is our bioligical make-up.

Women are only attracted to roughly 20% of men. That is pretty much the way it is for all mammals. If people are thinking about or actually killing themselves over not being able to reproduce, well then sorry but that is the circle of life.

No amount of gender pay gaps or quota's are going to reverse the fact that females are only attracted to 20% of males.

Can this stuff not be kept to the conspiracy theories forum?

Grayson

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Feminism dosent hate males. You haven't read past the headline.
I understand we can have the idea a feminist is a fat, short woman with short red hair.

He is also far from an idiot, just becuase he plays a character with a bag over his head dosent mean his opinion or what he says becomes irrelevant.
I know his persona outside of the bag and he is incredibly intelligent.

I'm a feminist. I know loads of feminists. I've never met one that hated men. I'm sure with a bit of googling you could find some that do but that's like saying all conservatives are racist.

DredFX

LLMMLL wrote: »

It's pretty clear that most feminists main current concern is to address the inequalities that affect women. They are concentrated on these issues. People chastising them for not addressing mens issues with the limited resources that any campaign has are being just as silly and unrealistic as my example of homelessness.

How is it unrealistic? There are millions of feminists in existence, a number that grows by the day, conjoined with the prominence of modern liberalism. There is certainly room to address the failure of men to express their feelings, the pressures of masculinity, as well as domestic violence on men (who account for more than 40% of victims, though they receive only a small fraction of the support).

I've heard feminists say it many a time whenever people accused them of female supremacy. "We're fighting for gender equality." If that is so, the other end of the spectrum has to be considered now and again.

Homeless activists caring for animal rights, two wholly unrelated issues from skin to bones, remains a red herring.

GingerLily

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Sorry, I don't really understand?

In the real world, outside of tinder, this 20% alpha male **** doesn't exist.

It's all in your head

NiallBoo

DredFX wrote: »

Most lexicographical sources define feminism as the advocacy of women's right based on the equality of the sexes. So, it wouldn't be incorrect for a feminist to care for an imbalance stemming from the male side.

I think you've hit on the source of why many dislike "feminism" - it can be quite an ambiguous term.

I think any women I've spoken to about feminism (and men who aren't sceptical about it) define feminism as seeking equality, not preference.

I can see how, if you assume that feminism is seeing only to further the cause of women, that you might have objections - but feminists that want this are rare, and really aren't feminists under the normal definition.

LLMMLL

GingerLily wrote: »

Why does this **** get repeated so often on boards??

Stops them having to do any self-improvement. It's all evolutions fault.

Richard Hillman

GingerLily wrote: »

Why does this **** get repeated so often on boards??

Sorry, I don't really understand?

DredFX

Richard Hillman wrote: »

No amount of gender pay gaps or quota's are going to reverse the fact that females are only attracted to 20% of males.

The amount of women who must be married to men they don't find attractive. :eek:

GingerLily

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think he has a little bit of a point in that generally the majority of people with depression are single males that are not reproducing. The reason they are not reproducing is that they have little going on their lives and women are on the lookout for dominant male figures, not stagnant males.

What he fails to understand is that our bioligical make up dictates that females will always want a dominant male, just like a male will always want a healthy looking female that looks perfect for bearing children. That is our bioligical make-up.

Women are only attracted to roughly 20% of men. That is pretty much the way it is for all mammals. If people are thinking about or actually killing themselves over not being able to reproduce, well then sorry but that is the circle of life.

No amount of gender pay gaps or quota's are going to reverse the fact that females are only attracted to 20% of males.

Why does this **** get repeated so often on boards??

Mardy Bum

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Mardy Bum wrote: »

The word feminism appears to be a trigger word for the anti feminist/alt right crew.

Blindboy spoke sensibly about the insecurity men can feel if they do not have the whole package and the inevitable loneliness that arises from this if this issue is allowed to eat away at a fella. If you accept the point that women can look after themselves and don't need a hero then a fella who is insecure may actually genuinely connect with someone without the need for bravado or lies.

I can't take anyone seriously when they try to refer to Irish men as being 'alt-right'.

Fair enough. I was making a general comment there about the word and people's reactions to it more so that any specific reaction in this thread.

To ignore the rest of my point though because of that says more though.

LLMMLL

DredFX wrote: »

Most lexicographical sources define feminism as the advocacy of women's right based on the equality of the sexes. So, it wouldn't be incorrect for a feminist to care for an imbalance stemming from the male side.

Trying to compare it to homeless activists fighting for animal rights is as big as red herrings can get.

It's pretty clear that most feminists main current concern is to address the inequalities that affect women. They are concentrated on these issues. People chastising them for not addressing mens issues with the limited resources that any campaign has are being just as silly and unrealistic as my example of homelessness.