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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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Renegade Mechanic

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

I don't think it's an over exaggeration to say that such an act would most likely precipitate a second American civil war. Especially in a country where so many private citizens own guns.

This is one of the more satisfying post/username combos I've seen.

20Cent

briany wrote: »

Yeah, I don't get the logic either. Instead of voting in a guy who gets lobbied to by big business interests, they just voted the big business interest directly into the office instead. At least you'll get fecked over a bit more directly and efficiently, I suppose.

Jamie Dimon being considered for Treasury. Might as well move the White House to Wall St.

http://fortune.com/2016/11/10/dimon-treasury-trump-jamie-dimon/

Grayson

TheOven wrote: »

There a difference between sending the army in and turning a blind eye to everything another country does.

America has such massive power projection that it could be a huge help to the world. It's strange I hear people going on and on about the clintons shady past. Most of it is bull****. The one thing you can put on them is that they did nothing to help Rwanda. The state department actually issued instructions not to use the word Genocide as the genocide was happening. And it was political. It was because after Somalia they didn't think the US was up for another "intervention". They could have saved so many lives.

Skip forward a few years and you have Bush invading Iraq.

the problem with US intervention is that it's so messed up. They pass on the good chances and invade countries for the wrong reasons.

Christy42

Depp wrote: »

definitely not a perfect system but with a straight popular vote the smaller states completely lose their voice, its essential to understand that at its core america isn't really a country at an organizational level, its a federation of 50 smaller states. to put it in terms we would be familiar with, the usa is the equivalent of the eu with individual states being the equivalent of a country such as Ireland. Its easy to criticize the system as an outsider looking in but it makes a lot more sense when you think of the us in those terms

The EU does not have a president with the same role as the American. That sort of system works better in an actual house as well (so the senate or the house). It doesn't really work as well when the entire country is electing one individual.

Anyway I don't like it but Trump won fair and square so I have to accept that. Also while I think the electoral college is a terrible idea America has much worse issues with democracy from weird gerrymandering and all sorts of laws to get your voters in to the booths without the other side's getting in. It is all very weird and I have no idea how they keep having the same issues every time that don't happen elsewhere. Maybe it is the scale but they have had time on this (and this is most definitely both sides involved).

Hughie 37

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

He'll look after his own pity Ireland wouldn't do the same

briany

All those people posting Trump memes won't be laughing when he and his cabinet go about destroying any semblance of Internet Neutrality in the States. Well, I'll be laughing because the about-face will be pretty funny.

Lackey

Jeremy Unsightly Xylophone wrote: »

The specifics of their world policing have been disastrous for the last fourteen years at least, driven by regressive extremist ideology and capitalist self interest. They have contributed directly to the refugee crisis overwhelming Europe right now and the absolute hell that large portions of the world's population are living through. And now, nope not taking those refugees, nope not cleaning up the mess, just pulling out and leaving things to two world powers who are potentially more of a threat to the safety and quality of life of the world's population than any of the countries they invaded and interfered in combined. Pretty reasonable to be annoyed.

Not disagreeing with a lot of your points ....but if it's been so bad let it end...it has to end sometime.
Merkel and the rest of Europe certainly hasn't helped either.
I think everyone, including Europe, needs to take a step back, stop arrogantly interfering in their affairs, let them govern themselves.
and at least then if they still want to kill each other it's no ones fault but their own.
Like I said, America are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

AllGunsBlazing

briany wrote: »

All those people posting Trump memes won't be laughing when he and his cabinet go about destroying any semblance of Internet Neutrality in the States. Well, I'll be laughing because the about-face will be pretty funny.

Hmm ... I've a feeling that Hillary may have been of like mind on this, if true.

Hughie 37

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

Up the Ra

Depp

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Hmm ... I've a feeling that Hillary may have been of like mind on this, if true.

she literally said she would go about shutting down alt right websites and media if elected.

Lackey

TheOven wrote: »

There a difference between sending the army in and turning a blind eye to everything another country does.

We are already turning a blind eye by putting Saudi as the head of human rights...or is it only ok to turn a blind eye to what the rich countries do?

Widdershins

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

When I hear people call him Hitler, or bemoan this "rise of fascism", I think of how nice it would be if I could build a time machine and **** them into late 20s Germany, so they can experience for themselves the kind of scenario in which something as dark as fascism can gain the traction to come to light...

They should be concerned about Jeremy Corbyn's labour party, then.

TheOven

Lackey wrote: »

We are already turning a blind eye by putting Saudi as the head of human rights...or is it only ok to turn a blind eye to what the rich countries do?

Nope, it shouldn't be ignored but they buy weapons and sell oil so get away with it. Doesn't make it right.

ZeroThreat

Jeremy Unsightly Xylophone wrote: »

The specifics of their world policing have been disastrous for the last fourteen years at least, driven by regressive extremist ideology and capitalist self interest. They have contributed directly to the refugee crisis overwhelming Europe right now and the absolute hell that large portions of the world's population are living through. And now, nope not taking those refugees, nope not cleaning up the mess, just pulling out and leaving things to two world powers who are potentially more of a threat to the safety and quality of life of the world's population than any of the countries they invaded and interfered in combined. Pretty reasonable to be annoyed.

Wonder when Putin will finally make the move on the Baltics, Finland & Poland.

retro:electro

20Cent wrote: »

Agree.
Just pointing out how crazy their system is.

Why can't they just have it as a vote for a vote system and then have the oldest people in the community stay up all night in the community centre and count them like us

rossie1977

bob50 wrote: »

I am delighted to see Trump elected Pres.

I cannot understand posters here who think the man is mad / idiot etc

Hes a businessman and a big job creator

Being a businessman (you failed to point out his company is leveraged to the eyeballs and he has declared bankruptcy four times) is irrelevant for the top political job on the planet. The fact the person manning the white house phone has probably more experience in political matters is insane.

briany

Lackey wrote: »

and at least then if they still want to kill each other it's no ones fault but their own.
Like I said, America are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If you make a mess, you should clean it up. That's a generally accepted principle. We've known for a long, long time that poor foreign policy choices can have long lasting consequences and place long lasting responsibilities on a country's shoulders. I think when America or Europe go meddling, they go in with this knowledge, and having this knowledge means there's no excuse when things are hard later. If you can just peace out when you feel like you've done enough, well then can people stop paying off their bank loans when they feel like they've paid a decent amount? If you can't live up to the consequences, don't take the action is what I say.

Renegade Mechanic

briany wrote: »

All those people posting Trump memes won't be laughing when he and his cabinet go about destroying any semblance of Internet Neutrality in the States. Well, I'll be laughing because the about-face will be pretty funny.

That was going no matter who got in. Way to powerful an information weapon, in the public's "wrong" hands....
Smartphones caused havoc across the middle east at a cost effectiveness that no weapon possibly could match.
They know the same risk applies to the US, so no matter what happens, Internet freedom is about to be taken out.

AllGunsBlazing

rossie1977 wrote: »

Being a businessman (you failed to point out his company is leveraged to the eyeballs and he has declared bankruptcy four times) is irrelevant for the top political job on the planet. The fact the person manning the white house phone has probably more experience in political matters is insane.

Here's one of the rather unique quirks about Americans. They attach no stigma to going bankrupt. No matter how many times it happens. It's part of their 'you get right back on the horse'philosophy'. They almost wear it as a badge of honour.

seenitall

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Why not have Europe as the world police? Seriously Europe seems to be the most rational out of all them countries plus we seem to be the ones to bear the brunt of the middle east backlash. Honestly I think the EU should stop being so friendly with the US and become more neutral.

Haha... Surely a joke?

Europe is not even capable of policing itself or its own, internal or external, borders, it lives in an echo-chamber, soft bubble of pastel colours, social security cushioning and political paralysis, and resembles a defenceless baby surrounded by a pack of wolves more and more each year. World police? More like the world's laughing stock...

My name is URL

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

So apparently Enda got a phone call from President - elect Trump even before Theresa May?

Probably something to do with his affiliation with Zig and Zag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N3zdRsivwk

KingBrian2

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Wonder when Putin will finally make the move on the Baltics, Finland & Poland.

Today US coalition forces are on the move in Syria. Total hypocrisy of the highest order.

gandalf

I really feel sorry for the inhabitants of the "rust belt" thinking Trump is going to bring blue collar manual jobs back. Firstly a lot of jobs have been replaced or are about to be replaced by Automation and then the ones that do still require a human involved will require the US staff to take a serious cut in wages to prise the jobs away from China and other such global sweat houses. Funnily I don't see American workers being willing to make this sacrifice on pay. It's going to be interesting to see how they react when they realise they have been sold a pup!

briany

gandalf wrote: »

I really feel sorry for the inhabitants of the "rust belt" thinking Trump is going to bring blue collar manual jobs back. Firstly a lot of jobs have been replaced or are about to be replaced by Automation and then the ones that do still require a human involved will require the US staff to take a serious cut in wages to prise the jobs away from China and other such global sweat houses. Funnily I don't see American workers being willing to make this sacrifice on pay. It's going to be interesting to see how they react when they realise they have been sold a pup!

It wasn't even that a lot of these people really believed Trump's rhetoric about jobs but that he was even acknowledging their plight.

MadYaker

I'm not so worried about what he's going to do once in office, and I don't know if he meant all the things he said about women or muslims or mexicans. But what I do know is that when he said those things there was a very nasty and hate filled section of American society who agreed with him and now that he has won those people feel vindicated. Where they had previously felt that they were a dieing breed who had to keep their racism/sexism/mysoginy to themselves they now feel that it's acceptible to have these views. His victory has in a way legitimised these views in the eyes of the people who hold them and I think that is far more dangerous than Trump himself will be. One has only to look at the twitter feed of David Duke to see examples of this. Neo nazis and white supremacists across the US and the world see this as their victory and that's worrying.

Depp

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Today US coalition forces are on the move in Syria. Total hypocrisy of the highest order.

hypocrisy from who? obama?

TheOven

gandalf wrote: »

I really feel sorry for the inhabitants of the "rust belt" thinking Trump is going to bring blue collar manual jobs back. Firstly a lot of jobs have been replaced or are about to be replaced by Automation and then the ones that do still require a human involved will require the US staff to take a serious cut in wages to prise the jobs away from China and other such global sweat houses. Funnily I don't see American workers being willing to make this sacrifice on pay. It's going to be interesting to see how they react when they realise they have been sold a pup!

I feel sorry for them but then remember they voted for the pull yourself up by the bootstraps party. When they end up choking themselves on them it is disappointing but it is what they wanted and attempting to warn them is sneering and thinking you're better than them.

If they want personal responsibility let them have it.

gandalf

briany wrote: »

It wasn't even that a lot of these people really believed Trump's rhetoric about jobs but that he was even acknowledging their plight.

Have you not seen the interviews with a lot of them. They sincerely believe he has a "plan". Unless his plan is to bring manufacturing in the states back 80 years then there is no way he is going to live up to these peoples expectations. Industry 4.0 is going to kill off a majority of blue collar jobs worldwide.

MadYaker

They don't want personal responsibilty though. When Trump can't wave a magic wand and solve all their problems by 2020 they'll simply turn on him. They only thing that will truely fix the plight of ordinary Americans is the demise of the two party system, and that is a long, long way off.

TheOven

MadYaker wrote: »

They don't want personal responsibilty though. When Trump can't wave a magic wand and solve all their problems by 2020 they'll simply turn on him. They only thing that will truely fix the plight of ordinary Americans is the demise of the two party system, and that is a long, long way off.

Unfortunately for them, that is what they are getting. The republicans having unchecked power often leads to recessions. They will be the first affected and the last to heal from it. They will turn on the government again but it will just give the democrats more problems to fix and then they will be annoyed that nothing has changed again and repeat.