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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

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Permabear

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Call Me Jimmy

Permabear wrote: »

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This was a big factor in my eyes. The last year on youtube there's been a huge amount of 'alt-right' videos showing up radical left wing crazies. Very entertaining and with the amount of channels, there was obviously a lot of people watching. Add to that the recent plight of Dr. Jordan Peterson. He framed the question of their pc-game in authoritarian terms etc. a lot of young people I imagine are leaning right when we they used to be cast iron left.

A Little Pony

dudara wrote: »

I spent yesterday trying to keep an open mind about Trump. I had a few discussions about it, thought about it.

And I just cannot get past the fact that a deeply unstable, egotistical individual, with no respect for women and a gnat-sized attention span won the election. This election was not about politics, it became a popularity contest. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You do know the likes of Ulysses S Grant was elected President, someone who had a drinking problem, George Bush and the Iraq war, Andrew Jackson and the Native Indian misplacement.

Renegade Mechanic

dudara wrote: »

I spent yesterday trying to keep an open mind about Trump. I had a few discussions about it, thought about it.

And I just cannot get past the fact that a deeply unstable, egotistical individual, with no respect for women and a gnat-sized attention span won the election. This election was not about politics, it became a popularity contest. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

What's worse, Dudara? Because that's all elections ever are. Picking the least ****tiest piece of **** from the pile of steaming ****.
So who do you pick, if opinions about women are your thing?

A person with connections to a country where gays are likely to be beaten and women don't generally have the same rights as men?

Or a person - who recieved millions in donations from - and has connections to, countries where gays are executed by the state and women are killed for committing the crime of allowing themselves to be raped...

Face it, your "queen" is miles worse than this "king". She's just had far better practice and experience in hiding it from people like you.

humanji

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

What's worse, Dudara? Because that's all elections ever are. Picking the least ****tiest piece of **** from the pile of steaming ****.
So who do you pick, if opinions about women are your thing?

A person with connections to a country where gays are likely to be beaten and women don't generally have the same rights as men?

Or a person - who recieved millions in donations from - and has connections to, countries where gays are executed by the state and women are killed for committing the crime of allowing themselves to be raped...

Face it, your "queen" is miles worse than this "king". She's just had far better practice and experience in hiding it.

You forget that Trump and Pence are more likely to try and turn the US into one of those countries than Clinton was.

jimgoose

Ms. Niamh Horan on The Donald:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/its-not-the-type-of-sexism-i-would-be-worried-about-niamh-horan-defends-donald-trumps-locker-room-talk-35204378.html

humanji

jimgoose wrote: »

Ms. Niamh Horan on The Donald:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/its-not-the-type-of-sexism-i-would-be-worried-about-niamh-horan-defends-donald-trumps-locker-room-talk-35204378.html

Ha, I read that as Niall Horan. I was about to smash up my 1D records and tear down the posters!

Widdershins

jimgoose wrote: »

Ms. Niamh Horan on The Donald:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/its-not-the-type-of-sexism-i-would-be-worried-about-niamh-horan-defends-donald-trumps-locker-room-talk-35204378.html

"I don't think this is even worth discussing. This man is a sexist pig," Ms Casey said.

Oh. Well that's that, then! Everyone just shush up about it. He's a pig and that's all there is to it.

I agree with Niamh Horan. A crude remark does not equal a man who doesn't have any respect for women. The kind of behaviour she outlines, which Trump *isn't* guilty of, does.

[Deleted User]

Permabear wrote: »

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There's no need to take it so personally. Educated just denotes someone with a good standard of formal education, ordinarily attainable in society, i.e a college degree.

As Trump said himself, "I love the poorly educated".

"We won with the poorly educated", he said.

They sure did. Donald Trump is something of a messianic figure if you're a white uneducated person who hates Obama.

Widdershins

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's no need to take it so personally. As Trump said himself, "I love the poorly educated".

"We won with the poorly educated", he said.

They sure did. Donald Trump is something of a messianic figure if you're a white uneducated person who hates Obama.

Might have something to do with the fact that he's promised to educate their children!

Maybe they went for the candidate that appears to have given some thought to what needs to change in the school system, for underprivileged kids.

pumpkin4life

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's no need to take it so personally. Educated just denotes someone with a good standard of formal education, ordinarily attainable in society, i.e a college degree.

As Trump said himself, "I love the poorly educated".

"We won with the poorly educated", he said.

They sure did. Donald Trump is something of a messianic figure if you're a white uneducated person who hates Obama.

They probably hate Obama because they don't have jobs anymore tbh.

dudara

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

What's worse, Dudara? Because that's all elections ever are. Picking the least ****tiest piece of **** from the pile of steaming ****.
So who do you pick, if opinions about women are your thing?

A person with connections to a country where gays are likely to be beaten and women don't generally have the same rights as men?

Or a person - who recieved millions in donations from - and has connections to, countries where gays are executed by the state and women are killed for committing the crime of allowing themselves to be raped...

Face it, your "queen" is miles worse than this "king". She's just had far better practice and experience in hiding it from people like you.

His opinions on women are disturbing. But they are not "my sole thing". He has not demonstrated a stable personality, nor did I ever find him able to articulate his agenda in any significant depth. Of course he's not the only president to have these failings, other presidents and world leaders have had them also. But I still can't get past the basic lack of coherence.

I'm wishing America the best of luck, and I hope beyond hope that his presidency will allay my concerns.

humanji

pumpkin4life wrote: »

They probably hate Obama because they don't have jobs anymore tbh.

Haven't the unemployment figures dropped significantly during his reign?

Dr Jakub

Jelle1880 wrote: »

People actually believe there is some grand conspiracy against white men in American politics. Wow.

A conspiracy? Probably not. But are white people constantly told that they are what's wrong with America? Lectured by left wing academics about their 'white privilege'? Non white on white crime down played and ignored by the media? Called racist because they oppose mass immigration?

Hell yeah, and the privileged whites, including those on the breadline in the Rustbelt and elsewhere just delivered a tremendous **** you to the establishment

Dr Jakub

humanji wrote: »

You forget that Trump and Pence are more likely to try and turn the US into one of those countries than Clinton was.

Yeah that's right. There going to start executing gay people and rape victims.

Jelle1880

Dr Jakub wrote: »

A conspiracy? Probably not. But are white people constantly told that they are what's wrong with America? Lectured by left wing academics about their 'white privilege'? Non white on white crime down played and ignored by the media? Called racist because they oppose mass immigration?

Hell yeah, and the privileged whites, including those on the breadline in the Rustbelt and elsewhere just delivered a tremendous **** you to the establishment

Not really. Unless you believe the likes of infowars.

And when will you realise that Trump is not different from the 'establishment' ?

Just have a look at who he will fill his cabinet with. Names like Gingrich, Palin, Christie & Giuliani being touted and former Goldmann Sachs people for the financial side of things.

pumpkin4life

humanji wrote: »

Haven't the unemployment figures dropped significantly during his reign?

Yep.

But the unemployment figure is crap, because if you work for an hour a week, or if you desperately want work, but don't seek it because of giving up, you're not included as unemployed.

The labor force participation rate is a far more accurate figure. For men, in magnitude terms, its fallen by more than 10% since 2008 and is at Great Depression 1930s levels.

Add in the increase of part time work (30+ hours and you pay Obamacare) and the increase in retail work, but a fall in real wages and you have a slowly declining economy. The underemployment figures are at an all high.

That's why people are voting for Trump. A lot of the numbers are bullshìt.

rob316

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sure it does.

I'm not saying they're not smart, necessarily; I'm saying they aren't educated.

Uneducated white women love Trump.

You are uneducated because you cant think for yourself and instead listen to the media that says Clinton is/was certain to win?

Lib Dem = Good, Republican = Bad. I'm glad the American public could see past that.

Dr Jakub

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not really. Unless you believe the likes of infowars.

And when will you realise that Trump is not different from the 'establishment' ?

Just have a look at who he will fill his cabinet with. Names like Gingrich, Palin, Christie & Giuliani being touted and former Goldmann Sachs people for the financial side of things.

If you say so. Are you looking forward to the next four years?

pumpkin4life

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not really. Unless you believe the likes of infowars.

And when will you realise that Trump is not different from the 'establishment' ?

Just have a look at who he will fill his cabinet with.

One of my friends did a literature course in UCD of all fùcking places on Chaucer.

One of the stories from The Canterbury Tales they studied was The Miller's Tale. The Miller's Tale is a story about cuckoldry. The tutor was a feminist wan who spent the class discussing how funny it is this guy was getting cuckolded, how women were superior to men and how the class assignment was to apply feminist theory to this tale, and talk about how modern and sexually progressive it is from the viewpoint of the modern woman. She even stated that it was her dream to bring down the family as it is a unit of oppression lol.

This is not conspiracy shìte. This is the kind of dangerous garbage University College Dublin are teaching, that your taxpayer money is being pissed away on.

Jelle1880

pumpkin4life wrote: »

One of my friends did a literature course in UCD of all fùcking places on Chaucer.

One of the stories from The Canterbury Tales they studied was The Miller's Tale. The Miller's Tale is a story about cuckoldry. The tutor was a feminist wan who spent the class discussing how funny it is this guy was getting cuckolded, how women were superior to men and how the class assignment was to apply feminist theory to this tale, and talk about how modern and sexually progressive it is. She even stated that it was her dream to bring down the family as it is a unit of oppression lol.

This is not conspiracy shìte. This is the kind of dangerous garbage University College Dublin are teaching.

Unfortunately anecdotal evidence doesn't prove to some big conspiracy against white men.

Dr Jakub wrote: »

If you say so. Are you looking forward to the next four years?

Always good to see when people don't have an argument anymore :pac:

dav3

Dr Jakub wrote: »

A conspiracy? Probably not. But are white people constantly told that they are what's wrong with America? Lectured by left wing academics about their 'white privilege'? Non white on white crime down played and ignored by the media? Called racist because they oppose mass immigration?

Hell yeah, and the privileged whites, including those on the breadline in the Rustbelt and elsewhere just delivered a tremendous **** you to the establishment

The breadline is someone earning over $50k a year now is it?

The poor/working class voted with Clinton.

People were given 4 choices in the exit poll for 'most important issue facing the country'. Foreign policy, Immigration, Economy and Terrorism. Immigration was the least important issue to people across the 50 states of those 4 options.

It's all there if you're arsed to look it up.

[Deleted User]

Widdershins wrote: »

Might have something to do with the fact that he's promised to educate their children!

Or maybe they have not spent enough time in a learning environment, encountering people, ideas and viewpoints that they might not otherwise encounter.

The biggest education advocates and teachers' federations have supported Clinton. But yeah, lets go with Trump the passionate educator who "love the poorly educated" because they vote for him.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

They probably hate Obama because they don't have jobs anymore tbh.

There are ten million extra jobs in the US economy and the unemployment rate has dropped 5%.

Go fish.

Why do uneducated white people hate Obama?

Answers on a very small postage stamp...

jimgoose

pumpkin4life wrote: »

...This is not conspiracy shìte. This is the kind of dangerous garbage University College Dublin are teaching, that your taxpayer money is being pissed away on.

I've just read a synopsis of that and I agree with the tutor - it encapsulates modern Feminist theory perfectly! :pac::pac::pac:

DrumSteve

Bernie

Made me laugh anyway.

humanji

Dr Jakub wrote: »

Yeah that's right. There going to start executing gay people and rape victims.

Who said they were? They have said they plan to remove rights from US citizens based on how they were born. That's more Saudi Arabia that USA.

Dr Jakub

pumpkin4life wrote: »

One of my friends did a literature course in UCD of all fùcking places on Chaucer.

One of the stories from The Canterbury Tales they studied was The Miller's Tale. The Miller's Tale is a story about cuckoldry. The tutor was a feminist wan who spent the class discussing how funny it is this guy was getting cuckolded, how women were superior to men and how the class assignment was to apply feminist theory to this tale, and talk about how modern and sexually progressive it is from the viewpoint of the modern woman. She even stated that it was her dream to bring down the family as it is a unit of oppression lol.

This is not conspiracy shìte. This is the kind of dangerous garbage University College Dublin are teaching, that your taxpayer money is being pissed away on.

That's the kind of woman who will end up a lonely, bitter, hate filled old hag!

Widdershins

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Or maybe they have not spent enough time in a learning environment, encountering people, ideas and viewpoints that they might not otherwise encounter.

The biggest education advocates and teachers federations have supported Clinton. But yeah, lets go with Trump the passionate educator who "love the poorly educated" because they vote for him.

There are ten million extra jobs in the US economy and the unemployment rate has dropped 5%.

Go fish.

I don't know..I don't think it's them who need to encounter people and ideas outside of their usual experience

Renegade Mechanic

Widdershins wrote: »

"I don't think this is even worth discussing. This man is a sexist pig," Ms Casey said.

Oh. Well that's that, then! Everyone just shush up about it. He's a pig and that's all there is to it.

I agree with Niamh Horan. A crude remark does not equal a man who doesn't have any respect for women. The kind of behaviour she outlines, which Trump *isn't* guilty of, does.

Not yet anyway, he's still got a court case to attend in which he's accused of raping a 13 year old. Often found it odd that this wasn't blown up with everything else, given how badly they wanted him to fail. Mabye they're saving it in case he won. Waiting over a decade to release "locker room talk" as undeniably rude and offensive as it was, was a definitely desperate move, indicative of the times, indicative of future moves...

midlandsmissus

Widdershins wrote: »

"I don't think this is even worth discussing. This man is a sexist pig," Ms Casey said.

Oh. Well that's that, then! Everyone just shush up about it. He's a pig and that's all there is to it.

I agree with Niamh Horan. A crude remark does not equal a man who doesn't have any respect for women. The kind of behaviour she outlines, which Trump *isn't* guilty of, does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuaDOyy4osI

There are lots of pictures in this video of Donald posing a young Ivanka inappropriately for pictures with him as a young teenager.

This video also shows an interview where an interviewer asks:

'What is your favourite thing that you have in common with each other?

Ivanka says: 'Real Estate and Golf'
Donald says: 'I was going to say sex'.

This video also shows him talking about his newborn baby Tiffany, 'She has the legs of her mother, we have to wait to see if she has the breasts'.

This video thenshows a quote from Trump about a convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein was convicted of soliciting sex from girls as young as 14.

Trump has said that 'Epstein is a lot of fun to be with, it's even said that he likes beautiful women as much as i do, and many of them are on the younger side'.