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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

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pumpkin4life

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not really. Unless you believe the likes of infowars.

And when will you realise that Trump is not different from the 'establishment' ?

Just have a look at who he will fill his cabinet with.

One of my friends did a literature course in UCD of all fùcking places on Chaucer.

One of the stories from The Canterbury Tales they studied was The Miller's Tale. The Miller's Tale is a story about cuckoldry. The tutor was a feminist wan who spent the class discussing how funny it is this guy was getting cuckolded, how women were superior to men and how the class assignment was to apply feminist theory to this tale, and talk about how modern and sexually progressive it is from the viewpoint of the modern woman. She even stated that it was her dream to bring down the family as it is a unit of oppression lol.

This is not conspiracy shìte. This is the kind of dangerous garbage University College Dublin are teaching, that your taxpayer money is being pissed away on.

Dr Jakub

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not really. Unless you believe the likes of infowars.

And when will you realise that Trump is not different from the 'establishment' ?

Just have a look at who he will fill his cabinet with. Names like Gingrich, Palin, Christie & Giuliani being touted and former Goldmann Sachs people for the financial side of things.

If you say so. Are you looking forward to the next four years?

rob316

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sure it does.

I'm not saying they're not smart, necessarily; I'm saying they aren't educated.

Uneducated white women love Trump.

You are uneducated because you cant think for yourself and instead listen to the media that says Clinton is/was certain to win?

Lib Dem = Good, Republican = Bad. I'm glad the American public could see past that.

pumpkin4life

humanji wrote: »

Haven't the unemployment figures dropped significantly during his reign?

Yep.

But the unemployment figure is crap, because if you work for an hour a week, or if you desperately want work, but don't seek it because of giving up, you're not included as unemployed.

The labor force participation rate is a far more accurate figure. For men, in magnitude terms, its fallen by more than 10% since 2008 and is at Great Depression 1930s levels.

Add in the increase of part time work (30+ hours and you pay Obamacare) and the increase in retail work, but a fall in real wages and you have a slowly declining economy. The underemployment figures are at an all high.

That's why people are voting for Trump. A lot of the numbers are bullshìt.

Jelle1880

Dr Jakub wrote: »

A conspiracy? Probably not. But are white people constantly told that they are what's wrong with America? Lectured by left wing academics about their 'white privilege'? Non white on white crime down played and ignored by the media? Called racist because they oppose mass immigration?

Hell yeah, and the privileged whites, including those on the breadline in the Rustbelt and elsewhere just delivered a tremendous **** you to the establishment

Not really. Unless you believe the likes of infowars.

And when will you realise that Trump is not different from the 'establishment' ?

Just have a look at who he will fill his cabinet with. Names like Gingrich, Palin, Christie & Giuliani being touted and former Goldmann Sachs people for the financial side of things.

Dr Jakub

humanji wrote: »

You forget that Trump and Pence are more likely to try and turn the US into one of those countries than Clinton was.

Yeah that's right. There going to start executing gay people and rape victims.

Dr Jakub

Jelle1880 wrote: »

People actually believe there is some grand conspiracy against white men in American politics. Wow.

A conspiracy? Probably not. But are white people constantly told that they are what's wrong with America? Lectured by left wing academics about their 'white privilege'? Non white on white crime down played and ignored by the media? Called racist because they oppose mass immigration?

Hell yeah, and the privileged whites, including those on the breadline in the Rustbelt and elsewhere just delivered a tremendous **** you to the establishment

humanji

pumpkin4life wrote: »

They probably hate Obama because they don't have jobs anymore tbh.

Haven't the unemployment figures dropped significantly during his reign?

dudara

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

What's worse, Dudara? Because that's all elections ever are. Picking the least ****tiest piece of **** from the pile of steaming ****.
So who do you pick, if opinions about women are your thing?

A person with connections to a country where gays are likely to be beaten and women don't generally have the same rights as men?

Or a person - who recieved millions in donations from - and has connections to, countries where gays are executed by the state and women are killed for committing the crime of allowing themselves to be raped...

Face it, your "queen" is miles worse than this "king". She's just had far better practice and experience in hiding it from people like you.

His opinions on women are disturbing. But they are not "my sole thing". He has not demonstrated a stable personality, nor did I ever find him able to articulate his agenda in any significant depth. Of course he's not the only president to have these failings, other presidents and world leaders have had them also. But I still can't get past the basic lack of coherence.

I'm wishing America the best of luck, and I hope beyond hope that his presidency will allay my concerns.

pumpkin4life

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's no need to take it so personally. Educated just denotes someone with a good standard of formal education, ordinarily attainable in society, i.e a college degree.

As Trump said himself, "I love the poorly educated".

"We won with the poorly educated", he said.

They sure did. Donald Trump is something of a messianic figure if you're a white uneducated person who hates Obama.

They probably hate Obama because they don't have jobs anymore tbh.

Widdershins

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There's no need to take it so personally. As Trump said himself, "I love the poorly educated".

"We won with the poorly educated", he said.

They sure did. Donald Trump is something of a messianic figure if you're a white uneducated person who hates Obama.

Might have something to do with the fact that he's promised to educate their children!

Maybe they went for the candidate that appears to have given some thought to what needs to change in the school system, for underprivileged kids.

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Permabear wrote: »

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There's no need to take it so personally. Educated just denotes someone with a good standard of formal education, ordinarily attainable in society, i.e a college degree.

As Trump said himself, "I love the poorly educated".

"We won with the poorly educated", he said.

They sure did. Donald Trump is something of a messianic figure if you're a white uneducated person who hates Obama.

Widdershins

jimgoose wrote: »

Ms. Niamh Horan on The Donald:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/its-not-the-type-of-sexism-i-would-be-worried-about-niamh-horan-defends-donald-trumps-locker-room-talk-35204378.html

"I don't think this is even worth discussing. This man is a sexist pig," Ms Casey said.

Oh. Well that's that, then! Everyone just shush up about it. He's a pig and that's all there is to it.

I agree with Niamh Horan. A crude remark does not equal a man who doesn't have any respect for women. The kind of behaviour she outlines, which Trump *isn't* guilty of, does.

humanji

jimgoose wrote: »

Ms. Niamh Horan on The Donald:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/its-not-the-type-of-sexism-i-would-be-worried-about-niamh-horan-defends-donald-trumps-locker-room-talk-35204378.html

Ha, I read that as Niall Horan. I was about to smash up my 1D records and tear down the posters!

jimgoose

Ms. Niamh Horan on The Donald:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/its-not-the-type-of-sexism-i-would-be-worried-about-niamh-horan-defends-donald-trumps-locker-room-talk-35204378.html

humanji

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

What's worse, Dudara? Because that's all elections ever are. Picking the least ****tiest piece of **** from the pile of steaming ****.
So who do you pick, if opinions about women are your thing?

A person with connections to a country where gays are likely to be beaten and women don't generally have the same rights as men?

Or a person - who recieved millions in donations from - and has connections to, countries where gays are executed by the state and women are killed for committing the crime of allowing themselves to be raped...

Face it, your "queen" is miles worse than this "king". She's just had far better practice and experience in hiding it.

You forget that Trump and Pence are more likely to try and turn the US into one of those countries than Clinton was.

Renegade Mechanic

dudara wrote: »

I spent yesterday trying to keep an open mind about Trump. I had a few discussions about it, thought about it.

And I just cannot get past the fact that a deeply unstable, egotistical individual, with no respect for women and a gnat-sized attention span won the election. This election was not about politics, it became a popularity contest. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

What's worse, Dudara? Because that's all elections ever are. Picking the least ****tiest piece of **** from the pile of steaming ****.
So who do you pick, if opinions about women are your thing?

A person with connections to a country where gays are likely to be beaten and women don't generally have the same rights as men?

Or a person - who recieved millions in donations from - and has connections to, countries where gays are executed by the state and women are killed for committing the crime of allowing themselves to be raped...

Face it, your "queen" is miles worse than this "king". She's just had far better practice and experience in hiding it from people like you.

A Little Pony

dudara wrote: »

I spent yesterday trying to keep an open mind about Trump. I had a few discussions about it, thought about it.

And I just cannot get past the fact that a deeply unstable, egotistical individual, with no respect for women and a gnat-sized attention span won the election. This election was not about politics, it became a popularity contest. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You do know the likes of Ulysses S Grant was elected President, someone who had a drinking problem, George Bush and the Iraq war, Andrew Jackson and the Native Indian misplacement.

Call Me Jimmy

Permabear wrote: »

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This was a big factor in my eyes. The last year on youtube there's been a huge amount of 'alt-right' videos showing up radical left wing crazies. Very entertaining and with the amount of channels, there was obviously a lot of people watching. Add to that the recent plight of Dr. Jordan Peterson. He framed the question of their pc-game in authoritarian terms etc. a lot of young people I imagine are leaning right when we they used to be cast iron left.

Permabear

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Widdershins

TheOven wrote: »

The irony. Complains about people saying things about the uneducated while saying educated people are just brainwashed.

Whatever lets you fuel anti intellectualism I suppose.

Refuting mono intellectualism, more like.

mattser

dudara wrote: »

I spent yesterday trying to keep an open mind about Trump. I had a few discussions about it, thought about it.

And I just cannot get past the fact that a deeply unstable, egotistical individual, with no respect for women and a gnat-sized attention span won the election. This election was not about politics, it became a popularity contest. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

That's a tad nasty about the leader of a country which has been very friendly to Ireland. Of course it was about politics as well as personalities.

A Little Pony

osarusan wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Even if Trump was a dictator and wanted to stay for 10 or 20 years as President, it is impossible for him to do so, he would not be able to do it. The Constitution was written by very smart men who knew something about history from Monarchies in Europe and political ideologies. It was written to be the complete opposite.

Actually that wasn't in the original constitution. It was in an amendment ratified in 1951.

FD Roosevelt was elected 4 (1932, 36, 40, 44) times as president.

Under special circumstances. The idea was based on Washington only serving two terms. Same with Thomas Jefferson.

Butters1979

FA Hayek wrote: »

As an aside, I know that you are quite an advocate for free markets and libertarian economics. However, it appears the tide is going out in relation to these concepts in the West. What are your thoughts on this matter?

Are free markets and globalisation now permanently suspended or will things just muddle on?

You don't switch globalisation and free markets on and off like a switch. They will always be there. It's a sliding scale. There will just be a little less rather than a little more by the looks of things.
I think they have being taken too far and that's caused massive problems, however I think too little will also cause problems. The right balance gives great benefits.

P.S. I know you weren't asking me, but no one ever does.

dudara

I spent yesterday trying to keep an open mind about Trump. I had a few discussions about it, thought about it.

And I just cannot get past the fact that a deeply unstable, egotistical individual, with no respect for women and a gnat-sized attention span won the election. This election was not about politics, it became a popularity contest. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

TheOven

A Little Pony wrote: »

Another term that should be done away with. And what they really mean is brainwashed people in the education system growing up only learning about one point of view. The white man is the devil, white privilege, the ideology of Marxist/far left thinking and a something for nothing culture.

Someone comes along with a different view and they get the notepad out of arguments which usually only includes the words racism, fascism or sexist.

The irony. Complains about people saying things about the uneducated while saying educated people are just brainwashed.

Whatever lets you fuel anti intellectualism I suppose.

oik

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sure it does.

I'm not saying they're not smart, necessarily; I'm saying they aren't educated.

Uneducated white women love Trump.

As someone who would be considered by pollsters to be highly educated, I can assure you that it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've learned from the institutions I've attended. I would say about 95% of the things I know that most people don't I did not learn from university.

pumpkin4life

A Little Pony wrote: »

Another term that should be done away with. And what they really mean is brainwashed people in the education system growing up only learning about one point of view. The white man is the devil, white privilege, the ideology of Marxist/far left thinking and a something for nothing culture.

Someone comes along with a different view and they get the notepad out of arguments which usually only includes the words racism, fascism or sexist.

I said this in another thread.

The people who end up in those liberal arts non STEM courses (maybe economics aside) tend to be midwits in that they're smart enough to be there and understand the theory, but not smart enough to see that they're being brainwashed and think around the theory.

It's not dumb or very smart people who are the useful idiots, its the average to reasonably intelligent people who are. The kind of people which think a degree = education per sae.

humanji

osarusan wrote: »

Actually that wasn't in the original constitution. It was in an amendment ratified in 1951.

FD Roosevelt was elected 4 (1932, 36, 40, 44) times as president.

Hurrah! I learned something today! Always thought that had been in from the start (and Roosevelt was a two termer).

midlandsmissus

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

You should put some drone music on a loop in your basement/ dungeon of national pride.

Power is such an interesting thing. So many people thought Trump was despicable and a lunatic when he was running.

Now he is in power all that behaviour is okay by some people on here, and some people on here are beginning to sound like Trump. Lots of 'Special snowflake's being thrown around,

All hail our new dictator.