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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

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HellSquirrel

Depp wrote: »

no they had Megyn in studio just cant think of her name! she seemed to have be the travelling correspondant for fox attached to the clinton campaign

That's going to bug me now! The search terms are too loose without a name, especially since she DID concede, so "hillary clinton concession if loses" or variants on that aren't turning up much. It's semi-triggering what I'm looking for, but I'm getting a mix of Clinton's ceding this morning and Trump's comments rather than this specific question.

Edit: aha! Kellyanne Conway, I think! Trump's advisor rather than Fox correspondent.

Edit to the other edit: hrm, nope, she was on Morning Joe and asking when they'd start asking Clinton about would she concede. Clinton wasn't directly asked by her though. Hrm, I'm a bit at a loss.

Depp

HellSquirrel wrote: »

That's going to bug me now! The search terms are too loose without a name, especially since she DID concede, so "hillary clinton concession if loses" or variants on that aren't turning up much. It's semi-triggering what I'm looking for, but I'm getting a mix of Clinton's ceding this morning and Trump's comments rather than this specific question.

Edit: aha! Kellyanne Conway, I think! Trump's advisor rather than Fox correspondent.

Edit to the other edit: hrm, nope, she was on Morning Joe and asking when they'd start asking Clinton about would she concede. Clinton wasn't directly asked by her though.

not sure if it was her, this is quite annoying me now and google is not helping...do fox have a list of their broadcast team anywhere or anything?

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VPDff6e6w

Strong reaction. Quite long but you can play at 1.5 speed to speed it up.

Depp

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VPDff6e6w

Strong reaction. Quite long but you can play at 1.5 speed to speed it up.

what? hes not white? this does not compute at all!

ligerdub

Deleted User wrote: »

Fact: more US voters voted for Clinton than voted for Trump. Trump only won because of the distortion of that democratic choice that is the Electoral College. Supposedly "unpopular" Hillary Clinton won more of the popular vote than did Donald Trump. /end fact.

He completely ignored certain states where he was going to get trounced anyway. Take California for example. He could have pushed himself a bit more there and won a hell of a lot more in the popular vote, but at the loss of electoral numbers.

He played a blinder in the states he targeted, and where he did focus on he tended to poll well.

BorneTobyWilde

Depp wrote: »

what? hes not white? this does not compute at all! :D

Trump won large black vote and Latino vote, large for a Republican that is.
He took a slice of that juicy blue cake.

ligerdub

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i dont know Mussolini's rhetoric at all but i know varoufakis's work reasonably well and i dont think he d say that just for a shock factor. hes a very well read man

Smart man alright, but he is also very left leaning, and is hardly an unbiased observer of anything further to the right of his position! Not to mention he was part of a shambolic negotiation team in the Greek govt with the ECB.

Depp

HellSquirrel wrote: »

That's going to bug me now! The search terms are too loose without a name, especially since she DID concede, so "hillary clinton concession if loses" or variants on that aren't turning up much. It's semi-triggering what I'm looking for, but I'm getting a mix of Clinton's ceding this morning and Trump's comments rather than this specific question.

Edit: aha! Kellyanne Conway, I think! Trump's advisor rather than Fox correspondent.

Edit to the other edit: hrm, nope, she was on Morning Joe and asking when they'd start asking Clinton about would she concede. Clinton wasn't directly asked by her though. Hrm, I'm a bit at a loss.

it was jennifer griffin! finally got it!

BorneTobyWilde

That kid has been radicalized by Trump. Can you imagine Trump acting like this in his speech today .

Bongalongherb

I love the smell of burnt toast in the morning, but I do not like the smell of burnt fallout in the morning or any-time.

This can be very good for American and russian relations as Trump and Putin voiced. Think of the bigger things, little things can be left till later. Shortwave military numbers channels radio is too busy at the moment for my liking, especially the russian horn sound transmitting continuously all the time, they are very busy at this time. Better to see how both Trump and Putin get along in the coming months.

RobertKK

Anti-Trump protests going on in some US cities. They should just accept the result, because there are other ways to get exercise.

NIMAN

RobertKK wrote: »

Anti-Trump protests going on in some US cities.

What is it with people who only accept democracy when its the result they want?

ligerdub

One thing about this which bugged me was the way they threw in the concept that Donald was anti-black and anti-LGBT!

I mean I get the concerns about the Muslim issue, but I view that more so as a matter of prudence rather than prejudice.

He is a man who has championed black causes, issues and executives in his businesses long before it was mainstream. Hillary was the opposite of this. Hillary was also anti gay marriage, quite vocally too. So why are people flocking to her as this inclusive to black peoples and the gays, and Donald is the villain?

bmcc10

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VPDff6e6w

Strong reaction. Quite long but you can play at 1.5 speed to speed it up.

Shame we can't play it at 15.5 ffs

NIMAN

Just heard that Clinton's campaign cost $1.2 billion !!

1.2 billion, and still lose to a guy who did his best to p1ss off everyone. How bad is she?

Junkyard Tom

The institutions and elite factions that have spent years mocking, maligning, and pillaging large portions of the population — all while compiling their own long record of failure and corruption and destruction — are now shocked that their dictates and decrees go unheeded.

theintercept.com/Glenn Greenwald

Just about sums up the level of detachment from reality the 'masters of mankind' live in.

Akrasia

Ok, here are the reasons Trump won.

1. Celebrity. Americans love celebrities.
2. Sexism. Lots of American people, including women think that women are not leaders.
3. More sexism. Bill Clinton is relatively popular, especially amongst Democrats, Hillary Clinton is hated. The reasons people give for disliking Hillary apply just as much to Bill as Hillary, but Bill gets a free pass cause he's a man.
4. Anger. Trump is a protest vote against both the republican and democratic establishment.
5. Money. Trump promised to lower tax, Hillary was more complicated
6. Die hard party support. Some people vote for a party regardless of who is running.
7. Bernie Sanders. The Democrats rigged the primary and pissed off an awful lot of independent and democratic voters
8. Ignorance. A large percentage of the US population are totally uninformed about politics, science and current affaits, and the US media is shockingly bad. Chomsky wrote about this decades ago with 'Manufacturing Consent'

Depp

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I love the smell of burnt toast in the morning, but I do not like the smell of burnt fallout in the morning or any-time.

This can be very good for American and russian relations as Trump and Putin voiced. Think of the bigger things, little things can be left till later. Shortwave military numbers channels radio is too busy at the moment for my liking, especially the russian horn sound transmitting continuously all the time, they are very busy at this time. Better to see how both Trump and Putin get along in the coming months.

ill agree ''numbers stations'' are definitely creepy but i highly doubt more sophisticated communications haven't been developed for actual agents.

Arcade_Tryer

RobertKK wrote: »

Anti-Trump protests going on in some US cities. They should just accept the result, because there are other ways to get exercise.

Nothing wrong with peaceful assembly.

NIMAN wrote: »

How bad is she?

Excellent politician. Superb performer. Wrong candidate for this election. Surely people can see by now that this election was not about the candidates but rather about the state of the US so to speak and the seemingly increasing divide between its people.

Missyelliot2

RobertKK wrote: »

Anti-Trump protests going on in some US cities. They should just accept the result, because there are other ways to get exercise.

It was the same issue with Brexit - "I didn't know my vote would count......"

You voted-it counts! (People here vote for Alan Kelly!):(

[Deleted User]

Akrasia wrote: »

Ok, here are the reasons Trump won.

1. Celebrity. Americans love celebrities.
2. Sexism. Lots of American people, including women think that women are not leaders.
3. More sexism. Bill Clinton is relatively popular, especially amongst Democrats, Hillary Clinton is hated. The reasons people give for disliking Hillary apply just as much to Bill as Hillary, but Bill gets a free pass cause he's a man.
4. Anger. Trump is a protest vote against both the republican and democratic establishment.
5. Money. Trump promised to lower tax, Hillary was more complicated
6. Die hard party support. Some people vote for a party regardless of who is running.
7. Bernie Sanders. The Democrats rigged the primary and pissed off an awful lot of independent and democratic voters
8. Ignorance. A large percentage of the US population are totally uninformed about politics, science and current affaits, and the US media is shockingly bad. Chomsky wrote about this decades ago with 'Manufacturing Consent'

The DNC didn't just rig the primary against Sanders, tbey rigged it or at least tried their hardest to have Trump be the Republican candidate.. The emails show it.

You can argue that it's "fair politics" but it doesn't stop me hating them for it.

You also missed the part where she got away with blatant BS in regards to the email stuff. Like sending her daughter, whose husband managed a Greece-based hedge fund, classified info about Greece.

My name is URL

Has anyone seen the cabinet he most likely intends to surround himself with? lmao... you couldn't make it up

For all his talk about being anti-establishment, anti wall street, anti war, etc

Newt Fcuking Gingrich as Secretary of State? hahaha

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as Defense Secretary... a man that was literally forced out of his job because he was was viewed by peers as being too hawkish and willing to go to war.

BorneTobyWilde

Media turned Trump into this racist anti LGBT monster and a huge amount of the population believed it. They have a lot to answer for .

Arcade_Tryer

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Media turned Trump into this racist anti LGBT monster and a huge amount of the population believed it. They have a lot to answer for .

What? He turned himself into this monster. The media literally just showed his speeches and what he was saying. The more controversial he was the more free airtime he received from the liberal stations! The truth is many, many people, here and abroad, ARE racist and anti-LGBT. Which is fine. They're entitled to be. Even if the media and others disagree.

BorneTobyWilde

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

What? He turned himself into this monster. The media literally just showed his speeches and what he was saying. The more controversial he was the more free airtime he received from the liberal stations! The truth is many, many people, here and abroad, ARE racist and anti-LGBT. Which is fine. They're entitled to be. Even if the media and others disagree.

They twisted the message
He did a u turn long ago on Muslim ban
And only said illegal mexican who are drug dealers and rapist are out .
Media turned him against all groups by twisting words

DukeOfTheSharp

Here's the big secret to how he got elected: 49.2% of the population didn't vote. Clinton won the popular vote, but the electoral college - an establishment set up to stop this very event from happening - failed, mostly due to the fact that the states can be redistributed by whoever is in power...in this case it was the Republican party. On top of that, the people who wanted to vote Sanders lost the plot and decided Hillary was the worst, most corrupt person ever, because of emails that didn't matter in the end. The head of the FBI unlawfully released more emails a week before the election (a law states that this can't happen within 60 days of the election) and a number of black voter registrations were raided by Trump's running mate Pence, who used 'voter fraud' as a reason...one which was totally and completely false. While some of those were restored, there's still an issue of black voters being turned away despite having their cards. The media treated Trump like a serious candidate despite his damning opinions on hispanics, blacks and women, but that doesn't matter because the overall votes that won him the election were from white people, and there were large numbers of white women who voted for him too. Let that sink in. Mix that in with whiny voter-apathy and a total lack of education, along with Fox News propaganda and other media outlets failing to fact-check Trump, and you had a smorgasbord of impossible odd that Hillary was facing. Add to that that she's a woman, and America is still fiercely in the grip of all the -isms you can imagine, and you basically have a roadmap to how an unstable moldy tangerine managed to pull this off, despite a lack of qualifications.

Trump isn't anti-establishment; he's a failed businessman who made his wealth by declaring bankruptcy multiple times, putting thousands of working-class people out of work. He thrives from the establishment, and his only advantage was the KKK and white supremacist movement that backed him, with people literally standing outside of polling stations, armed with rifles to intimidate voters. He's the epitome of the toxic man, he appeals not to the angry 'forgotten' people of America, but to idiots, racists, sexists and xenophobes, who'd rather side with Putin's Russia than work to achieve a better country, which Obama was doing successfully.

For those who don't think it'll effect Ireland; he plans to abolish the J1 program for colleges, so Irish students will have even less of an ability to get employment and experience. But sure, they're only the youth, who cares about them? Not to mention the fact that when he lowers corporate tax, Irish-based companies will jump ship, as they always do, to a cheaper prospect.

End of the day, I still maintain that the enemies of progress are those in the 35 to old age voting demographic of any nation. Doesn't matter that baby boomers wrecked the economy, when they want things to regress, they'll mobilize in droves, while apathetic non-voters and third party 'protesters' will add to the issue. While I'm not saying all 35+ year olds are conservative nightmares, the fact is that if you are a liberal at that age, you're surrounded by the conservative sharks who see progression as chum. The issue now is that Americans have to be mindful of white voters and 'edgy' protesters who use the right to vote as a means of being rebellious, despite the effect their actions can have on everyone else. Much like Brexit, where people felt 'disenfranchised' and pissed away their votes, bad things can happen when you don't step up, due to selfish pride.

There's a lot of fear going around because Trump's conservative party consists of a VP who believes he can electroshock 'the gay' out of teens, the call for mass Muslim deportation and calling hispanics rapists, and black people 'thugs', and the fact that today, the KKK were literally walking around in full conehead garb. Women are being sexually assaulted by psychotics who feel empowered by Trump's presidency, taking to heart his 'grab her by the p*ssy' comments. Five trans teens, upon hearing the election outcome, died by suicide because they felt hopeless, given the bathroom bills all but assured to come into effect in the future. Trans-only suicide hotlines have been set up too. How messed up is that?

This makes me fear for Ireland's future, given how parties like the AAA are sitting in their smug sense of satisfaction, saying Bernie Sanders was the right choice (he's Jewish, he wouldn't have won) and lauding the benefits of socialism...despite the fact that Ireland voted in two parties they wanted deposed in two subsequent elections. We're being led by the least among us, and if we're going to be competitive and considered better than America (the bar is pretty low now) we need to take the one-two craphouse of Brexit and Trump as a warning here. I hope we do, I doubt we will, but today is a bad day for everyone.

tomwaterford

Deleted User wrote: »

Like sending her daughter, whose husband managed a Greece-based hedge fund, classified info about Greece.

is this ture???

My name is URL

tomwaterford wrote: »

is this ture???

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-05/state-department-loses-smoking-gun-clinton-insider-trading-email

[Deleted User]

tomwaterford wrote: »

is this ture???

Yeah but its part of the email saga so who cares.. Apparently.

As for the popular vote, she beat him by 2.5 million votes in California. That's why Republicans lose the popular vote when they win the election. If America wants California to decide for the country, they should get rid of the electoral college.

tomwaterford

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah but its part of the email saga so who cares.. Apparently.

As for the popular vote, she beat him by 2.5 million votes in California. That's why Republicans lose the popular vote when they win the election. If America wants California to decide for the country, they should get rid of the electoral college.

its pretty big news imo

they can hardly complain when they knew system of voting beforehand???

if they want.....let them change it to a popular vote??