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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

To that end we won’t tolerate baiting of posters, constantly reviving old arguments, posters with agendas or crusading for a cause.

Whether it’s discussion of the business or politics of the dairy or other sectors, we expect civility and tolerance toward each other and other opinions as diversity of opinion is needed as a source of different ways of looking at a situation.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert

Also please be aware that what you may post as light-hearted banter can be read totally differently by someone adversely affected by the subject matter and evoke a reaction you hadn’t intended.

The ‘Off-Season’ forum, and its anonymous posting, is available for anyone to chat about their situation.

The Mod Team.

10 away from the 10000 posts! Frazz I think it's fair to say this thread has been a success!

Indeed it was! First thread can be found here- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056872221

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Morris Moss

jack o shea wrote: »

On a different note did anyone get a letter from them dept ***** today going on about over claiming and fines for the bps? I think k it was a general one and not directed at me but as usual you wouldn't know what it was about really.

Yeah got that myself today.

jack o shea

Is it just a load of ****e morris? I didn't really read it.

Morris Moss

jack o shea wrote: »

Is it just a load of ****e morris? I didn't really read it.

Yeah just the usual, basically if your claiming you have more land than you do you'll get a fine, tis nothing to worry about.

alps

Fixture wrote: »

You are right that no every processor needs spare capacity at peak but how much spare capacity was available in Ireland this year and where was it? Not much as far as I'm aware. And that was after crap April weather that affected peak cow yield.

One of the best dairy processors in the world Friesland Campina had to pay farmers 2cpl this year to curb supply as they had no capacity for the growth surge.

Take care with the use of this argument. I agree fully, Friesland Campina are one of if not the best processor is the world. It was probably great judgement that they did not employ overcapacity at this early stage.

The last 3 years have seen a massive increase in cow numbers on Dutch farms not for expansion or profitability reasons but so as to have the maximum number of cows possible loaded on before the intoduction of phosphorus limits. It turns out that they must now reduce numbers by 100,000.

Incidentally, profitability on farms went out the window due to this increase in cow numbers, but farmers took the decision that it was far more important to end up with as high a numbers Base as possible and sacrificed a number of years profit for it.

Luckily the coop have not overspent.

rangler1

greysides wrote: »

Rangler, I'd be using a poultice.....

Antibiotic seems to be working, it's finally starting to heal.

Mooooo

Note to self, first thing to do is check that the fecking tank washed after collection.....

Buford T. Justice XIX

The main scraper in the cubicle house stopped working last night so there was 2 inches of crap on the floor this morning.

Had to wash all the cows:mad:

Turned out it was only a bolt holding the ram onto the track had ripped and fell out.

Winter has arrived, alright:(

whelan2

Long scraper off rail at botyom of track this morning. My back hates me

simx

whelan2 wrote: »

Long scraper off rail at botyom of track this morning. My back hates me

Them scrapers seem temperamental enough in general remember working for a lad before that had 3 reckoned could cost 1000/1500 maintenance

whelan2

They are great when they work right

Mooooo

6 scrapers here and in all fairness all bar one are 20+ years old it's mainly ware and tare really. Replacing tongues and catches, putting wings back on and the like the odd hydraulic hose Newest one is in since 09 and has never stopped or been touched. Altho it's got a thing in front of it that move along the track and clears the track

Mooooo

I see cork marts aren't going exporting calves anymore. Only saw headline not article could hit calf prices in spring

Buford T. Justice XIX

simx wrote: »

Them scrapers seem temperamental enough in general remember working for a lad before that had 3 reckoned could cost 1000/1500 maintenance

The one at the feed face has my patience tried at this stage but the one just between rows of cubicles is a dream with only the odd pair of nuts holding the track together coming off in 15 years and one hydraulic oil leak.

freedominacup

In the context of milk surveys have an oul Google for SmartAppi tssg. Amazing how cavalier govt agencies are with our info.

Signpost

Mooooo wrote: »

putting wings back on and the like

What do you mean by this? On my old scraper (in since 96) the wings dont seem to fold out to the side anymore. Move them twice a day myself and no big issue but I've one cnut of cow that lies with her udder on the ground of the passage. Front half on mat, other half off it. I've tried everything with her from tying her up in a cubicle for 2 weeks straight a few times to watching her all day for a few days and not letting her lie wrong etc but she beat me. She's a serious cow so worried now she'll pick up something & was going to replace the whole scraper unless you know some knack for fixing the wings?

Mooooo

Signpost wrote: »

What do you mean by this? On my old scraper (in since 96) the wings dont seem to fold out to the side anymore. Move them twice a day myself and no big issue but I've one cnut of cow that lies with her udder on the ground of the passage. Front half on mat, other half off it. I've tried everything with her from tying her up in a cubicle for 2 weeks straight a few times to watching her all day for a few days and not letting her lie wrong etc but she beat me. She's a serious cow so worried now she'll pick up something & was going to replace the whole scraper unless you know some knack for fixing the wings?

It's dairymaster ones I have. what happens generally is the split pin holding in the pin the wing hinges off rusts and the pin falls out or the part the pin sits into rusts and a new bit needs to be welded on. If yours aren't folding to.the side I think there is a bolt that keep them out far enough so when they start out after going back the will fold out as opposed to staying in front of the scraper

whelan2

Ours are dairypower. I am fairly good at sorting out any problems and repair man is always at the end of the phone to tell me what to do if I cant sort it. Normally a broken wire or switch/solenoid needs replacing

Fixture

Mooooo wrote: »

I see cork marts aren't going exporting calves anymore. Only saw headline not article could hit calf prices in spring

Yes it's a big blow. hopefully someone will take up the slack. They lost big on it this year apparently.

charolais0153

Ye are overachieving in the price of ye'r calves already , its about time they took a bit of a bump. Dawg was selling limo sucks for 100€ so a rebalance was required imo

whelan2

charolais0153 wrote: »

Ye are overachieving in the price of ye'r calves already , its about time they took a bit of a bump. Dawg was selling limo sucks for 100€ so a rebalance was required imo

We accept the price we get, got 60 euro a head more in the mart a few weeks ago than what I was getting out of the yard. Who's the fool thats paying that extra money?

visatorro

was introduced to teagasc profit monitor recently. was wondering is there is similar model in app form anyone uses or do you have to be a teagasc member. the teagasc on seemed very handy.
something similar to the way herdwatch operates where you could literally stick in money spent as you go along would be fierce handy.

awaywithyou

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The main scraper in the cubicle house stopped working last night so there was 2 inches of crap on the floor this morning.

Had to wash all the cows:mad:

Turned out it was only a bolt holding the ram onto the track had ripped and fell out.

Winter has arrived, alright:(

I have develop a serious dislike for auto scrapers..... Slatted tank only job

Buford T. Justice XIX

awaywithyou wrote: »

I have develop a serious dislike for auto scrapers..... Slatted tank only job

It wouldn't have worked here, the rock breaking alone would have broke me not to mind the poor lad (Ger) on the rock breaker.

I'd say he's still vibrating from the couple of days with it in the pit we did manage to dig:D

Signpost

visatorro wrote: »

was introduced to teagasc profit monitor recently. was wondering is there is similar model in app form anyone uses or do you have to be a teagasc member. the teagasc on seemed very handy.
something similar to the way herdwatch operates where you could literally stick in money spent as you go along would be fierce handy.

Not sure is this what your after? http://www.cashminder.ie/ Its not profit monitor but its a handy way to keep track of all your accounts online, or at least thats what it looks like! Going to set it up in December so can comment more then!

GrasstoMilk

Does anyone know what the stuff is that lads in U.K. (Especially) paint on there feed passages so cows aren't licking the rough concrete?
If it'll work my idea is to paint the inside of the troughs with it so they've a smooth surface to lick

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Does anyone know what the stuff is that lads in U.K. (Especially) paint on there feed passages so cows aren't licking the rough concrete?
If it'll work my idea is to paint the inside of the troughs with it so they've a smooth surface to lick

U should try mr Barkley on Twitter

Keepgrowing

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Does anyone know what the stuff is that lads in U.K. (Especially) paint on there feed passages so cows aren't licking the rough concrete?
If it'll work my idea is to paint the inside of the troughs with it so they've a smooth surface to lick

It's a resin of some description. An extra 20' of feed space would give more RoI

Keepgrowing

The GII survey must be very welcome to the guys constantly belly aching on here. It must be a great chance to tell them what ye think and the really great thing is it's not anonymous;)

GrasstoMilk

Keepgrowing wrote: »

It's a resin of some description. An extra 20' of feed space would give more RoI

Just on troughs in the parlour is all I'm thinking, concrete troughs. I wouldn't like licking sand paper all day either

whelan2

Keepgrowing wrote: »

The GII survey must be very welcome to the guys constantly belly aching on here. It must be a great chance to tell them what ye think and the really great thing is it's not anonymous;)

Alot of lads are saying they will not be sending it in. I don't know why, you dont have to fill it all in if you dont want. Also it gives a chance to have your say. Way too inquisitive imo. 2 pages would have been plenty. Glanbia seem to love wasting paper for some reason