py2006 wrote: » For the most part I didn't see it as a big deal and the only time it pops into my mind is when the likes of Louise O'Neill or Una Mulally or any 'modern' feminist talks of this subject matter.
eviltwin wrote: » I'm not suggesting there is a rape culture or that all men are anything. There is no need for that defensive tone. Not sure how you got any of that from my post tbh.
FortySeven wrote: » I'm also a rape 'survivor'. I grew up in care homes in the 90s. Lets leave the victim bit at the door shall we? Do you honestly believe we men are against the prosecution of ANY type of sexual assault? We detest it, we shun and fight any notion of it in our families, our communities and our countries. Rape culture is a myth. The prosecution rate of a creaking, antiquated criminal justice system is a separate matter altogether and such a niche market in the definition of culture that the fragmentation has become so obtuse it is now back looking itself in the eye.
eviltwin wrote: » It has to get to court first for those checks and balances to apply. What that poster describes does happen. I'm a rape survivor. My abuser raped others but never saw a courtroom. We are not statistics, we do not feature in official figures but it still happened.
FortySeven wrote: » And which should we believe? A criminal justice system filled with checks and balances from start to conclusion or a phone line from a charity that has no interest financially in the reduction of any sexual assault. (against women)
Muahahaha wrote: » eh, no. We have reporting statistics to the Rape Crises Centre and then reporting stastics to the Gardai. There is a huge discrepancy between the two figures. So unless you are going to try to tell us a majority of women enjoy going to the Rape Crises Center to report fake rapes then yes, something is seriously amiss. If you cant see that then you should really open your eyes because there is tons of evidence on this. And thats not even counting the majority of women who never report rape, to anyone. Same goes for child abuse, the majority of it never gets even reported because it happens in the family home. As does rape, it is not always down the dark alleyway that you think, most rape takes place in a relationship.
Muahahaha wrote: » eh, no. We have reporting statistics to the Rape Crises Centre and then reporting stastics to the Gardai. There is a huge discrepancy between the two figures. So unless you are going to try to tell us that women enjoy going to the Rape Crises Center to report fake rapes then yes, something is seriously amiss. And thats not even counting the majority of women who never report rape, to anyone. Same goes for child abuse, the majority of it never gets even reported because it happens in the family home
osmiumartist wrote: » So your figure for the rape incidence rate is... go on then. We have a conviction rate. You've got "I think it should be..." yeah?
Muahahaha wrote: » I think the point has gone right over your head and it is nothing to do with innocent until proven guilty.
osmiumartist wrote: » Yes, we get it. Case = guilty. Who needs that silly "conviction" bit. Silly old "innocent until proven guilty" malarkey.
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » Is the discussion of 'rape culture' all just due to a serious decline in pillage ?
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » Some offences are so serious (Murder, Rape/Sexual Assault, Serious Aggravated Assault) that Judicial Discretion should be scrapped altogether in sentencing them.
mzungu wrote: » + 1. It needs proper long sentences and none of this getting out early due to good behaviour lark.
py2006 wrote: » I just don't know what to say to that. Troll?
py2006 wrote: » I think we are wasting our time with the Louise supporter here. Possibly even a troll. Let's get back to OP?
eviltwin wrote: » I think what we need is more effective sentencing not necessarily more convictions.
midlandsmissus wrote: » Increasing the standards of our country in this area.
mzungu wrote: » Can you explain what you mean by "standards of our country", please? You said: I took this to mean you wished to have a larger conviction rate?
Ireland has the lowest rate of rape convictions amongst all EU member states. There is something to be improved on there.
midlandsmissus wrote: » It;s funny how everyone sees it about the other side, isn't it, and can't see it about themselves.:)
midlandsmissus wrote: » Did I pick that number? Sorry, I thought I quoted a study.
mzungu wrote: » What do you suggest? Lowering the standard of proof?
osmiumartist wrote: » I've the feeling we're in for a long night. So, you're going to just pick any number you like really and tell me that's the rape incidence rate and that makes it commonplace? That's the gist of this, yeah?
midlandsmissus wrote: » I put it out there along with the corresponding statistic, that studies have shown that Ireland has the lowest rate of rape convictions amongst all EU member states. There is something to be improved on there.
FortySeven wrote: » What is frightening is your lack of ability to critically analyze the evidence presented to you. You appear to be so entrenched in your position that the weight of evidence stacking up against your claims is blind to you in the red mist of your own argument. I'd just like to add that rape is not just a woman's issue. Let us not forget that quite a portion of those rape convictions will be for the statutory rape of boys. Never hear a whisper about that from the feminist side.
mzungu wrote: » The definition of rape culture and what it entails is a society that "fosters and encourages rape by instructing citizens that it is normal and natural for sexual relations to involve aggressive behavior on the part of males." (Barnet, Sligar & Wang 2016)
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