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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

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A Dub in Glasgo

https://twitter.com/IamDeeMerlon/status/796304782042525696

20Cent

Depp wrote: »

only a year before trump was recorded without his knowledge on a bus! why is it only now that a clip is irrelevant because of its age?

People change their minds. It's actually a good thing.

Depp

anna080 wrote: »

In fairness that's donkeys years old

only a year before trump was recorded without his knowledge on a bus! why is it only now that a clip is irrelevant because of its age?

retro:electro

lawlolawl wrote: »

"Gee, i wonder why people didn't vote for Hillary"

In fairness that's donkeys years old

[Deleted User]

Permabear wrote: »

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So what that it's not the first time!

The next time the State legislates to levy a deeply unfair tax on commercial activity, or the next time the State wants to listen to your telephone calls, or the next time it wants to regulate a family's access to abortion, you as a libertarian will no doubt sigh into your pint and say "but this has happened before. So what?"

tomwaterford

gctest50 wrote: »

Be a bit of work for us yet - Roadstone did a fine job in Palestine

Them Mexicans won't be knocking Irish concrete too handy

Seemingly the Mexicans are building it for him

My name is URL

Everyone seemed very reasonable and measured in the speeches they gave today. Stark contrast to how things were in the campaign

Trump vowing to be a president 'for all Americans', and promising to unite the country etc. Why he couldn't have conducted himself in such a way before today is baffling.

I guess he wouldn't have appealed as much to the mouth-breathing idiots and racists who don't actually want to see the US or its citizens more united.

Anyhoo, I don't think having him as president will be as disastrous as some suggest. Unless he goes back to his pre-election rhetoric, which tbh I don't see happening now that he has his foot in the door.

Permabear

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osarusan

I wonder why more states don't have a system where electoral college votes can be split based on the % of votes in each state.

If you get 60% of the vote, you get 60% of the EC votes (with the overall number of EC votes being proportional to the population of the state. I appreciate that the maths isn't easy with states that have only 3 or 4 EC votes, but it could be approximated, and would seem more fair to me at least.

It seems strange that in a state like Florida with the vote evenly split, all the EC votes go one way. Likewise in California, Trump got 33% of the vote - why not give him 33% of the EC votes.

That way you still completely ignore a state at your peril, but it would more closely reflect the voting in each state at the end.

I don't know whether this would help one party more than the other in general, or if it has been discussed before either.

Herb Powell

tomwaterford wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with being gay...like yanno

Absolutely nothing wrong with it. I am saying it's an absolute fuccking joke to imply that there is not a problem with homphobia in Putin's Russia.

gctest50

tomwaterford wrote: »

Fair fcuks to him

T AF this is......now whens this wall starting

Be a bit of work for us yet - Roadstone did a fine job in Palestine

Them Mexicans won't be knocking Irish concrete too handy

[Deleted User]

According to RTÉ Clinton actually won more of the popular vote than Trump. Astounding.

God bless America and its understanding of democracy.

tomwaterford

Herb Powell wrote: »

Yeah, just pretend homosexuality doesn't exist and that it's perfectly ok, there's no possible way that could ever hurt anyone or lead to trouble............

There's nothing wrong with being gay...like yanno

lawlolawl

"Gee, i wonder why people didn't vote for Hillary"

Herb Powell

paleoperson wrote: »

It's just made-up nonsense. The guys on places like this believe it because it's what they see on CNN and Sky News etc., hilariously thinking THEY'RE the smart ones and Trump supporters are dumb.

It's the exact same with Putin. Putin has never been anti-LGBT, never been anti-homosexual, never been belligerent. There was a law passed to not advertise homosexual activity to minors, that's about as "anti-LGBT" as Russia or Putin has ever gotten.

The real joke is how they think they're clever and informed by lapping it up.

Yeah, just pretend homosexuality doesn't exist and that it's perfectly ok, there's no possible way that could ever hurt anyone or lead to trouble............

ligerdub

Duck Soup wrote: »

There is one aspect of an upcoming Trump presidency that already concerns me. Trump has given the impression to Russia that, well, you leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. Asked what his response to further Russian aggression in the Ukraine would be, he said "As far as the Ukraine is concerned, we have a group of people, and a group of countries, including Germany - why are we always doing the work? I'm all for protecting Ukraine - but, we have countries that are surrounding the Ukraine that aren't doing anything. They say, "Keep going, keep going, you dummies, keep going. Protect us." And we have to get smart. We can't continue to be the policeman of the world."

So he's saying if Russia gets nasty with it's neighbours, he'll leave it up to European nations to sort it out. I can't believe for the life of me that Putin won't test the limits to US quasi-neutrality in the region to its fullest extent.

I don't see any problem with that. You are insisting a nation involve itself with issues that don't concern them and are thousands of miles away. Donald's reasoning is entirely sound.

tomwaterford

Fair fcuks to him

Funny AF this is......now whens this wall starting

[Deleted User]

Manic Moran wrote: »

I disagree, and refer to my earlier post on this thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101613112&postcount=1459

That's a terrible argument.

"Why would a politician ever bother with sparse old Indiana"

Er, Hillary barely bothered with Indiana.

How did her Kentucky rally go? About as good as Trump's campaign in Massachusetts I'd say.

Politicians already ignore certain states, for all intents and purposes. Whatever campaign there is for Hillary in Alaska is run by local obsessives.

railer201

This WW3 talk reminds me of the final scene from Dr.Strangelove -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

[Deleted User]

Manic Moran wrote: »

On further other matters, stock in firearms manufacturers have dropped about ten percent. Caterpillar (Construction equipment) up 7%.

Was watching a market analyst on KRON4 this morning (SF Bay area news station). It was weird. He was obviously unhappy that Trump won, had a negative tone about everything, but everything he was saying was positive. "OK, the futures collapsed, but when the markets opened today, they were slightly stronger than yesterday, the market is holding. We can expect a recession, but that was going to happen regardless of who won, they're usually on 4-8 year cycles, and so we're overdue. Expect the lower corporate tax rate to be beneficial to US-based company growth, and there will be big investment into infrastructure." I'm trying to see the bad part in the market assessment he was giving to match the tone of his voice.

5-7 Live on RTE this evening were discussing CRH. Back in the day, I believe they had a 25% share in the company that built the wall dividing the West Bank from Israel. (Link below)- I believe they have since sold those shares.

Construction shares have increased, gun manufacturers are down due to less pressure on the chances of restricting guns, IT shares down slightly, Pharma shares up (due to less pressure on laws around price restrictions).

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/crh-may-sell-stake-in-controversial-israeli-company-30116397.html

ligerdub

RayM wrote: »

Yeah, you definitely seem like the kind of person who opposes misogyny...

I do yeah, the proper meaning of the word anyway, not the one hijacked in more recent years.

Manic Moran

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

. There is no good argument in favour of the Electoral College system today.

I disagree, and refer to my earlier post on this thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101613112&postcount=1459

lawlolawl

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where does this myth come from that Trump is a racist who hates the LGBTQ community .
All his rallies had
BLACKS FOR TRUMP signs and he held a LGBT flag, could you see Putin going that ?

http://logoonline.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:uma:image:logotv.com:12346446?quality=0.8&format=jpg&width=1500&height=843

The conventional media and social media told people this was the case and they swallowed it whole.

Much like they all said Hillary had it in the bag.

Then reality came along and ****ed all that up.

Manic Moran

On further other matters, stock in firearms manufacturers have dropped about ten percent. Caterpillar (Construction equipment) up 7%.

Was watching a market analyst on KRON4 this morning (SF Bay area news station). It was weird. He was obviously unhappy that Trump won, had a negative tone about everything, but everything he was saying was positive. "OK, the futures collapsed, but when the markets opened today, they were slightly stronger than yesterday, the market is holding. We can expect a recession, but that was going to happen regardless of who won, they're usually on 4-8 year cycles, and so we're overdue. Expect the lower corporate tax rate to be beneficial to US-based company growth, and there will be big investment into infrastructure." I'm trying to see the bad part in the market assessment he was giving to match the tone of his voice.

[Deleted User]

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where does this myth come from that Trump is a racist

He claimed that an ethnically Mexican judge couldn't fairly sit in judgment of him. His firm has been sued by US authorities for not renting accommodation to black people. He failed to condemn white supremacists when asked, refusing to say white supremacists shouldn't be part of his success. He has a huge white supremacy fan club.

Why do you think he has a KKK following, and Hillary Clinton does not?

who hates the LGBTQ community .

Two words: Mike Pence.

Another two words: conversion therapy.

All his rallies had
BLACKS FOR TRUMP signs and he held a LGBT flag

That's precisely what I would do if I were a homophobic white supremacist, trying not to alienate Democrat swing voters.

https://twitter.com/NoShock/status/647492119293231104

wonderfullife

Depp wrote: »

its not the responsibility of the united states to police the balkans or the middle east. american lives shouldn't be put at risk to do so. So far we have no idea what Trumps relationship with Putin or Netanyahu is like, outside of a short clip of putin saying hes open to a positive relationship with the us.

Ah now. They absolutely have a responsibility after absolutely fcuking up Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

You can't just stroll over to these places over 30 years playing games, resulting in the loss of millions of lives, then leg it.

It's 100% their obligation right now to police the Balkans and Middle East. Anyway, if they won't intervene who will?

Answer = Russia. Turkey. ISIS.

The narrow thinking on display saddens me. We're from fecking Ireland too. Do people forget the part of our history where an invading power from next door came in, changed our language, oppressed our religion and tormented us for centuries?

America has done the exact same to the Middle East except over decades and leaving a far worse situation behind them.

Donal55

Looking forward to all the new Melania's and Baron's about to be born in the Coombe.

[Deleted User]

Duck Soup wrote: »

No, he can't change it before he has power to do so. And he should think it through. Consult the foremost constitutional experts. Then put forward a plan to institute a system whereby - radical notion - the candidate where the most votes always wins.

Ah right, well I fully agree with you there. The electoral college system is antiquated, it's a product of the slavery era where slaves were counted when apportioning electoral college numbers to states, but of course, slaves themselves couldn't vote. Therefore states which allowed slavery had disproportionate influence. There is no good argument in favour of the Electoral College system today.

What I was challenging, however, was the idea advanced by Jamiekelly that Trump ought not have run for the presidency if he disagrees with the electoral college system. That's not a sound argument.

I do agree with the argument you're making, but the decision is that of Congress and the States, not the President.

75% of States must agree to the amendment, and too many states would lose authority if the system were amended.

The President has very little power over any of this. And we've yet to see how much support President-elect Trump will have from Congress. He's not a real Republican, and his ideas are totally at odds with establishment republican ideologues we associate with the US Congress.

Hans Bricks

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's the point. It wasn't continued under Obama. Nowhere near previous regimes. He didn't bend and cede to Israels every whim and had an extremely frosty relationship with Netanyahu.

Does it literally alarm NOBODY that Putin, Assad, Netanyahu are all delighted Trump has been elected? No?

Putin will cosy up to Donald, wrap him around his finger and waltz back into Ukraine to take more land past the Crimea. Netanyahu will be building more settlements deeper into Palestinian territory starting the week Trump hits office.

That's without even mentioning climate change. Trump is on record as saying "climate change is a hoax".

Well, that's tremendous - we'll continue to have the seas warming up, glaciers melting etc. He'll do more damage in 4 years than the previous 40 years of American policy combined.

As if all that wasn't enough, what moral standing does the US have to intervene in other elections now? How can they comment on electoral corruption in other countries when their own PRESIDENT is on record saying he might not accept the democratic will of the people if he loses.

Are you Nostradamus ?

Perhaps those three leaders now have a slight relief that Trump won't hold the same bloodlust as Hilary for involving the US in middle eastern affairs, arming the FSA in Syria and further destabilizing the region ?

I'd love to see a bit more than an exaggerated acceleration of a global phenomenon like Global warming solely on Trump's part due to his lack of belief in it. Has he outlined pro active policies to increase the US carbon footprint ? Unless you want to eradicate most of the G20 nations, global warming is an unfortunate inevitability I'm afraid.

Duck Soup

There is one aspect of an upcoming Trump presidency that already concerns me. Trump has given the impression to Russia that, well, you leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. Asked what his response to further Russian aggression in the Ukraine would be, he said "As far as the Ukraine is concerned, we have a group of people, and a group of countries, including Germany - why are we always doing the work? I'm all for protecting Ukraine - but, we have countries that are surrounding the Ukraine that aren't doing anything. They say, "Keep going, keep going, you dummies, keep going. Protect us." And we have to get smart. We can't continue to be the policeman of the world."

So he's saying if Russia gets nasty with it's neighbours, he'll leave it up to European nations to sort it out. I can't believe for the life of me that Putin won't test the limits to US quasi-neutrality in the region to its fullest extent.