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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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BorneTobyWilde

Trump and Melania and Barron will have to leave their life of luxury to go live at the White House. It will be a big come down.
Will they even want to live there ? Trump loves his tower, will he conduct his presidency from there?

Ralf and Florian

I'm as bummed as the next person about Trumps victory. But rubbish like this makes me see red. This by a white Irish female Louise O Neill wannabe.

https://twitter.com/RebeccahLouise/status/796358247582146560

BorneTobyWilde

They will lose a lot of freedom in their roles as President and First Lady

infogiver

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump and Melania and Barron will have to leave their life of luxury to go live at the White House. It will be a big come down.
Will they even want to live there ? Trump loves his tower, will he conduct his presidency from there?

Funnily enough non of the next in line Royals in England ever want to move into Buck House either. Fact

Hans Bricks

wonderfullife wrote: »

If you're happy to just worry about your own job and your own family, then sure it probably doesn't affect Ireland directly for at least 12-18 months. A combination of dominos from the Brexit negotiation and Trumps agenda may very well affect Ireland directly in the future.

Take that aside, if you can't see the obvious risk re: Israel, then you're deluded. Obama was the first President in a long time to basically drop unilateral support for Israel.

They are throwing parties over in Israel and ISIS are throwing parties too. Traditionally the only way illegal settlements into Palestinian territory have been stopped is by political pressure from America and the U.N.

Trump couldn't give a monkeys if Israel land-grabbed half of Palestine and built a huge wall.

That's going to incite increasing cycles of conflict, terrorist recruitment and increase in terrorism incidents. That could affect any of us directly or indirectly in the near future.

Meh. I don't think the world will stop turning but people being blasé and nonchalant about this won't be so blasé in 2 years when it's all turned to complete sh1t (worse than now).

A regional conflict some 5,000km away, that has been ongoing since 1947 is the reason to be afraid ? Trump's continued US tradition of a laissez faire attitude toward Israel isn't something we've ever really had to or will worry about.

Hans Bricks

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If Trump drops the corpo tax rate in the US from the 35% it is currently to 15% then it will effect the Ireland.

Ah our corpo rate is still at 12.5%. Not sure if our non-trading income rate at 25% really comes into the equation admittedly.

Anyway, what kind of tax dodging billionaire would he be if he outsourced jobs back to home soil ?

Ken.

Mod-Ladies and gentlemen, If you want to slander anyone then go start a blog. Do not make boards a party to it. Thank you.

BorneTobyWilde

Where does this myth come from that Trump is a racist who hates the LGBTQ community .
All his rallies had
BLACKS FOR TRUMP signs and he held a LGBT flag, could you see Putin going that ?

http://logoonline.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:uma:image:logotv.com:12346446?quality=0.8&format=jpg&width=1500&height=843

AllGunsBlazing

Depp wrote: »

also have to say that at this point, while I feel the right decision was made overall, as the evening wears on the ridiculousness of the situation is beginning to set in. this is where what we have got from the dnc's incistence on ''their girl'' when almost any of the other candidates in the dnc race would have beaten trump in a landslide. the democratic party as a whole should be ashamed of the shady sh!t they got up to in the race for the nomination and the choice they forced the voters to make.

Future generations of Democrats will spit the name Clinton out of their mouth. Before last night they were the royal couple of the centre left. Their entire legacy is now completely ruined.

Depp

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They will lose a lot of freedom in their roles as President and First Lady

fairly sure they have to move to the whitehouse for security/communication reasons. also as far as I know president cant have a smartphone as it makes him too easy to track

wonderfullife

Hans Bricks wrote: »

A regional conflict some 5,000km away, that has been ongoing since 1947 is the reason to be afraid ? Trump's continued US tradition of a laissez faire attitude toward Israel isn't something we've ever really had to or will worry about.

That's the point. It wasn't continued under Obama. Nowhere near previous regimes. He didn't bend and cede to Israels every whim and had an extremely frosty relationship with Netanyahu.

Does it literally alarm NOBODY that Putin, Assad, Netanyahu are all delighted Trump has been elected? No?

Putin will cosy up to Donald, wrap him around his finger and waltz back into Ukraine to take more land past the Crimea. Netanyahu will be building more settlements deeper into Palestinian territory starting the week Trump hits office.

That's without even mentioning climate change. Trump is on record as saying "climate change is a hoax".

Well, that's tremendous - we'll continue to have the seas warming up, glaciers melting etc. He'll do more damage in 4 years than the previous 40 years of American policy combined.

As if all that wasn't enough, what moral standing does the US have to intervene in other elections now? How can they comment on electoral corruption in other countries when their own PRESIDENT is on record saying he might not accept the democratic will of the people if he loses.

Arturo Bandini

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

I'm as bummed as the next person about Trumps victory. But rubbish like this makes me see red. This by a white Irish female Louise O Neill wannabe.

https://twitter.com/RebeccahLouise/status/796358247582146560

https://twitter.com/RebeccahLouise/status/796362221827674112

I don't get how these people can rationalize their opinions.

Ulysses Gaze

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Ah our corpo rate is still at 12.5%. Not sure if our non-trading income rate at 25% really comes into the equation admittedly.

Anyway, what kind of tax dodging billionaire would he be if he outsourced jobs back to home soil ?

Well he'd be a politician that kept his word.....

Yeah.. I know...

https://m.popkey.co/7840dd/rwVGW.gif

Depp

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's the point. It wasn't continued under Obama. Nowhere near previous regimes. He didn't bend and cede to Israels every whim and had an extremely frosty relationship with Netanyahu.

Does it literally alarm NOBODY that Putin, Assad, Netanyahu are all delighted Trump has been elected? No?

Putin will cosy up to Donald, wrap him around his finger and waltz back into Ukraine to take more land past the Crimea. Netanyahu will be building more settlements deeper into Palestinian territory starting the week Trump hits office.

That's without even mentioning climate change. Trump is on record as saying "climate change is a hoax".

Well, that's tremendous - we'll continue to have the seas warming up, glaciers melting etc. He'll do more damage in 4 years than the previous 40 years of American policy combined.

As if all that wasn't enough, what moral standing does the US have to intervene in other elections now? How can they comment on electoral corruption in other countries when their own PRESIDENT is on record saying he might not accept the democratic will of the people if he loses.

its not the responsibility of the united states to police the balkans or the middle east. american lives shouldn't be put at risk to do so. So far we have no idea what Trumps relationship with Putin or Netanyahu is like, outside of a short clip of putin saying hes open to a positive relationship with the us.

Akrasia

https://youtu.be/hVnnT9Q_1TE

Trump's origin story

Depp

Arturo Bandini wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RebeccahLouise/status/796362221827674112

I don't get how these people can rationalize their opinions.

https://twitter.com/RebeccahLouise/status/796362291931475968

have to admit...this is very entertaining

paleoperson

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where does this myth come from that Trump is a racist who hates the LGBTQ community .
All his rallies had
BLACKS FOR TRUMP signs and he held a LGBT flag, could you see Putin going that ?

http://logoonline.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:uma:image:logotv.com:12346446?quality=0.8&format=jpg&width=1500&height=843

It's just made-up nonsense. The guys on places like this believe it because it's what they see on CNN and Sky News etc., hilariously thinking THEY'RE the smart ones and Trump supporters are dumb.

It's the exact same with Putin. Putin has never been anti-LGBT, never been anti-homosexual, never been belligerent. There was a law passed to not advertise homosexual activity to minors, that's about as "anti-LGBT" as Russia or Putin has ever gotten.

The real joke is how they think they're clever and informed by lapping it up.

Ulysses Gaze

Depp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RebeccahLouise/status/796362291931475968

have to admit...this is very entertaining

She's a fan of Kanye?

Meh...NWA, Public Enemy & Naughty by Nature are so much better...

Anyway...she's entitled to her opinion on the election and on Trump. The problem is that her and people like her are very quick to exonerate Hilary "The Angel of Benghazi" for decisions she was party to that cost thousands and thousands of innocent lives.

TheOven

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where does this myth come from that Trump is a racist who hates the LGBTQ community .
All his rallies had
BLACKS FOR TRUMP signs and he held a LGBT flag, could you see Putin going that ?

http://logoonline.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:uma:image:logotv.com:12346446?quality=0.8&format=jpg&width=1500&height=843

Trump doesnt hate the LGBTQ community, he doesn't care what happens to them. He picked Pence who thinks it is ok to abuse them until they pretend to be straight and his supreme court picks are the religious zealots wet dream. There is no way having the GOP in charge will be good for them.

Depp

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

She's a fan of Kanye?

Meh...NWA, Public Enemy & Naughty by Nature are so much better...

Anyway...she's entitled to her opinion on the election and on Trump. The problem is that her and people like her are very quick to exonerate Hilary "The Angel of Benghazi" for decisions she was party to that cost thousands of innocent lives.

her whole twitter account is basically an echo chamber for the same sjw bs. its somewhat sad to see the indoctrination, the amount of explicit racist messages posted regarding white people is comically ironic

Duck Soup

There is one aspect of an upcoming Trump presidency that already concerns me. Trump has given the impression to Russia that, well, you leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. Asked what his response to further Russian aggression in the Ukraine would be, he said "As far as the Ukraine is concerned, we have a group of people, and a group of countries, including Germany - why are we always doing the work? I'm all for protecting Ukraine - but, we have countries that are surrounding the Ukraine that aren't doing anything. They say, "Keep going, keep going, you dummies, keep going. Protect us." And we have to get smart. We can't continue to be the policeman of the world."

So he's saying if Russia gets nasty with it's neighbours, he'll leave it up to European nations to sort it out. I can't believe for the life of me that Putin won't test the limits to US quasi-neutrality in the region to its fullest extent.

Hans Bricks

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's the point. It wasn't continued under Obama. Nowhere near previous regimes. He didn't bend and cede to Israels every whim and had an extremely frosty relationship with Netanyahu.

Does it literally alarm NOBODY that Putin, Assad, Netanyahu are all delighted Trump has been elected? No?

Putin will cosy up to Donald, wrap him around his finger and waltz back into Ukraine to take more land past the Crimea. Netanyahu will be building more settlements deeper into Palestinian territory starting the week Trump hits office.

That's without even mentioning climate change. Trump is on record as saying "climate change is a hoax".

Well, that's tremendous - we'll continue to have the seas warming up, glaciers melting etc. He'll do more damage in 4 years than the previous 40 years of American policy combined.

As if all that wasn't enough, what moral standing does the US have to intervene in other elections now? How can they comment on electoral corruption in other countries when their own PRESIDENT is on record saying he might not accept the democratic will of the people if he loses.

Are you Nostradamus ?

Perhaps those three leaders now have a slight relief that Trump won't hold the same bloodlust as Hilary for involving the US in middle eastern affairs, arming the FSA in Syria and further destabilizing the region ?

I'd love to see a bit more than an exaggerated acceleration of a global phenomenon like Global warming solely on Trump's part due to his lack of belief in it. Has he outlined pro active policies to increase the US carbon footprint ? Unless you want to eradicate most of the G20 nations, global warming is an unfortunate inevitability I'm afraid.

[Deleted User]

Duck Soup wrote: »

No, he can't change it before he has power to do so. And he should think it through. Consult the foremost constitutional experts. Then put forward a plan to institute a system whereby - radical notion - the candidate where the most votes always wins.

Ah right, well I fully agree with you there. The electoral college system is antiquated, it's a product of the slavery era where slaves were counted when apportioning electoral college numbers to states, but of course, slaves themselves couldn't vote. Therefore states which allowed slavery had disproportionate influence. There is no good argument in favour of the Electoral College system today.

What I was challenging, however, was the idea advanced by Jamiekelly that Trump ought not have run for the presidency if he disagrees with the electoral college system. That's not a sound argument.

I do agree with the argument you're making, but the decision is that of Congress and the States, not the President.

75% of States must agree to the amendment, and too many states would lose authority if the system were amended.

The President has very little power over any of this. And we've yet to see how much support President-elect Trump will have from Congress. He's not a real Republican, and his ideas are totally at odds with establishment republican ideologues we associate with the US Congress.

Donal55

Looking forward to all the new Melania's and Baron's about to be born in the Coombe.

wonderfullife

Depp wrote: »

its not the responsibility of the united states to police the balkans or the middle east. american lives shouldn't be put at risk to do so. So far we have no idea what Trumps relationship with Putin or Netanyahu is like, outside of a short clip of putin saying hes open to a positive relationship with the us.

Ah now. They absolutely have a responsibility after absolutely fcuking up Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

You can't just stroll over to these places over 30 years playing games, resulting in the loss of millions of lives, then leg it.

It's 100% their obligation right now to police the Balkans and Middle East. Anyway, if they won't intervene who will?

Answer = Russia. Turkey. ISIS.

The narrow thinking on display saddens me. We're from fecking Ireland too. Do people forget the part of our history where an invading power from next door came in, changed our language, oppressed our religion and tormented us for centuries?

America has done the exact same to the Middle East except over decades and leaving a far worse situation behind them.

[Deleted User]

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where does this myth come from that Trump is a racist

He claimed that an ethnically Mexican judge couldn't fairly sit in judgment of him. His firm has been sued by US authorities for not renting accommodation to black people. He failed to condemn white supremacists when asked, refusing to say white supremacists shouldn't be part of his success. He has a huge white supremacy fan club.

Why do you think he has a KKK following, and Hillary Clinton does not?

who hates the LGBTQ community .

Two words: Mike Pence.

Another two words: conversion therapy.

All his rallies had
BLACKS FOR TRUMP signs and he held a LGBT flag

That's precisely what I would do if I were a homophobic white supremacist, trying not to alienate Democrat swing voters.

https://twitter.com/NoShock/status/647492119293231104

Manic Moran

On further other matters, stock in firearms manufacturers have dropped about ten percent. Caterpillar (Construction equipment) up 7%.

Was watching a market analyst on KRON4 this morning (SF Bay area news station). It was weird. He was obviously unhappy that Trump won, had a negative tone about everything, but everything he was saying was positive. "OK, the futures collapsed, but when the markets opened today, they were slightly stronger than yesterday, the market is holding. We can expect a recession, but that was going to happen regardless of who won, they're usually on 4-8 year cycles, and so we're overdue. Expect the lower corporate tax rate to be beneficial to US-based company growth, and there will be big investment into infrastructure." I'm trying to see the bad part in the market assessment he was giving to match the tone of his voice.

lawlolawl

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where does this myth come from that Trump is a racist who hates the LGBTQ community .
All his rallies had
BLACKS FOR TRUMP signs and he held a LGBT flag, could you see Putin going that ?

http://logoonline.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:uma:image:logotv.com:12346446?quality=0.8&format=jpg&width=1500&height=843

The conventional media and social media told people this was the case and they swallowed it whole.

Much like they all said Hillary had it in the bag.

Then reality came along and ****ed all that up.

Manic Moran

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

. There is no good argument in favour of the Electoral College system today.

I disagree, and refer to my earlier post on this thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101613112&postcount=1459

ligerdub

RayM wrote: »

Yeah, you definitely seem like the kind of person who opposes misogyny...

I do yeah, the proper meaning of the word anyway, not the one hijacked in more recent years.