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El Presidente Trump

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It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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namloc1980

AnGaelach wrote: »

The EU uses the same thing, it's to ensure the smaller states have a more equal footing with the larger ones.

Or should Germany increase its MEP count from 99 to 228 while Ireland sees no increase?

That's different. This is to select a single person as president. Not a representative number of people to sit in parliament. If there was a vote for a hypothetical EU president would you be happy with a system where someone in Estonia had four times the voting power of an Italian?

rob316

Omackeral wrote: »

I think she speaks 5 or 6 languages. So that's hardly true at all.

She speaks six languages: her native Slovenian, and then Serbo-Croatian, English, French, Italian and German

Grayson

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Gonna make for a hell of a final scene, driving a chainsaw through that gut!

Except then we'll see all these tiny little trumps escape from the corpse and run off (You need to set up the sequel)

AnGaelach

wes wrote: »

Now, there is no chance of a nuclear arsenal as the deal puts the kabosh on that.

It doesn't though. It only freezes their enrichment for 10 years, it doesn't take away any of the capabilities they've built up over the years.

wes wrote: »

That sucks, but what do you propose? That another Middle Eastern country is invaded by the US? I am sure the Al Qaeda and the ISIS's of the world would love nothing more, especially as it would take out there biggest enemy.

Or tearing up a deal that is working and trying sanctions again. There won't be the same broad support, as it the US would rightly be blame for the mess that would cause.

It's not working though, and the US will come into conflict with Iran eventually. Either directly (over nuclear ambition) or indirectly (the US is allied with the Saudis and Turkey is a NATO member - both of whom are threatened by Iran's drive to become the dominant power in the region).

Would you rather the US imposes sanctions again now, and sees that repressive theocratic shít-show of a regime fall under a popular, middle-class driven revolution... Or the US (and NATO) has to deploy troops to occupy the country and turn it into Iraq 2?

Renegade Mechanic

Grayson wrote: »

Now I'm going to have nightmares about giant trumps flying around in a tornado. Thanks.

Gonna make for a hell of a final scene, driving a chainsaw through that gut!

[Deleted User]

Broken Hearted Road wrote: »

She just about able to string a sentence together. When she was allowed to talk the media and people picked up on her speeches as being copied from others.

God, I remember when Obama was elected. He spoke so much praise for his wife and so much. They made such a lovely family.

During Trump's speech this morning - he barely made reference to his wife. There was some sort of a quick thank you or some such added in along with others but the mentioning of his wife was very brief. Shows to me that he has contempt for his wife.

I think she speaks 5 or 6 languages. So that's hardly true at all.

_Jamie_

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Outside of Ireland, very few people know or care who Enda Kenny is, and what he thinks about Trump does not matter.

Once I was watching France24 and they referred to Enda as a she.

This was when he was opposition leader but still though - LOL.

[Deleted User]

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Jeez...talk about Special Snowflake meltdowns on Twitter.....

I'd rather some snowflakes melting than a Trump supporter in meltdown.

Nobody wants an angry idiot with no future and a firearm having a meltdown on their street.

wes

Das Reich wrote: »

Hope the takes Italy soon as the EU is forcing the country to accept homosexual marriage.

Nothing wrong with marriage equality and doubt the EU is forcing any such thing on Italy.

Das Reich wrote: »

London is the cancer of Europe not Moskva.

London are on there way out.

Grayson

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

I reckon there's a market for a piss take "Trumpnado" film..

Now I'm going to have nightmares about giant trumps flying around in a tornado. Thanks.

And a quick google shows that people are already thinking that way.

http://robrogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/072815_Trumpnado.jpg

Ulysses Gaze

Jeez...talk about Special Snowflake meltdowns on Twitter.....

Renegade Mechanic

I reckon there's a market for a piss take "Trumpnado" film..

wes

AnGaelach wrote: »

They wouldn't be building a nuclear arsenal now anyway though, it'd take them years to reach the level of enrichment needed... And the deal only freezes the enrichment they're allowed for 10 years, it doesn't actually mean they have to dial back what they currently were doing.

Now, there is no chance of a nuclear arsenal as the deal puts the kabosh on that.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Chances are, Iran would've seen a middle class revolt against the Theocracy before they reached enrichment capacity.

Again, a what if. A what if isn't worth a damn, in the face of an agreement that is working.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Right now, Rouhani is in a very unstable position.

That sucks, but what do you propose? That another Middle Eastern country is invaded by the US? I am sure the Al Qaeda and the ISIS's of the world would love nothing more, especially as it would take out there biggest enemy.

Or tearing up a deal that is working and trying sanctions again. There won't be the same broad support, as it the US would rightly be blame for the mess that would cause.

_Jamie_

Well, despite being very disappointed with result, Trump is the gaffer over there now so everyone needs to look to the positives of the situation. This result strongly signals that people are fed up with the political establishment and it really highlights that complacency is always a bad thing. I know hindsight is 20/20 but Hilary was complacent. I've mentioned it a few times today and I'm like a broken record but the fact that she didn't once campaign in Wisconsin after her primary win there really surprised me. If she didn't campaign there, where else didn't she bother her hoop campaigning in? And despite the fact that I'd have voted for her, I have to agree that wheeling out pampered, privileged celebs was a terrible move on her part and IMO, she misjudged the mood of the people.

I'm also really hoping for the good of the US and the world that once in office, Trump will go back on some of his more outlandish campaign claims. Other people might not be so pleased with that though but he's in now, job done! And who knows, maybe his presidency will be a disaster, to use one of his favourite expressions, and drive voters back into the loving arms of the Democrats. :pac:

One thing though - people are saying Sanders would have won if it was him. Honestly, I'm not sure about that. Socialism is treated with suspicion by many over there and a lot of Democrats would in reality be moderate right wing. I think he would have had a better shot than Hillary but I wouldn't at all think he would have been a shoo-in.

And finally, I really wouldn't lean too hard on the misogyny angle. I don't believe that was a big factor at all. Sure, you'll always have sexist old coots out there who wouldn't vote for a woman but Hillary seems to have won the popular vote. That really doesn't indicate that people were reluctant to vote for a woman.

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darkpagandeath wrote: »

Lol, Enda already rowing back on what he said about "racist and dangerous."

Nobody cares about this outside of Leinster House, the Irish media bubble, and anyone else who thinks Irish politics is the centre of the world.

Enda kenny is near the back of a very long line of obscure Heads of Government who have expressed dissatisfaction with Donald Trump.

This evening, the President of France (who recently said: "His excesses make you want to retch") has said that Trump's victory opens a lot of uncertainty.

International politics isn't a harem with everyone preening one another. Outside of Ireland, very few people know or care who Enda Kenny is, and what he thinks about Trump does not matter.

This, on the other hand:

https://twitter.com/AntonWSJ/status/796311131639971841

Das Reich

wes wrote: »

He already got the Crimea, and none of those Nukes were much good there. Maybe he will take the rest of the Ukraine soon.

Hope the takes Italy soon as the EU is forcing the country to accept homosexual marriage. London is the cancer of Europe not Moskva.

AnGaelach

namloc1980 wrote: »

Also the power of the Electoral College depends on where you live. If you're in Wyoming there is a Electoral vote for each 143k people. In New York it's one for every 520k people. So a vote in Wyoming is "worth" nearly four times a New York vote when translated into the Electoral College.

The EU uses the same thing, it's to ensure the smaller states have a more equal footing with the larger ones.

Or should Germany increase its MEP count from 99 to 228 while Ireland sees no increase?

DEFTLEFTHAND

wes wrote: »

I made no such claim. Fact remains that some of his supporters are literal KKK, and imho its fair game to state that fact.

If you want an end to being pc, and if people want to play fast and loose with the facts, then its a 2 way street.

I'm sure many of the 5000 are, but that's democracy, they can vote for whoever they want to.

Don't worry about them ever becoming relevant again. The modern day KKK consists of a bunch of unemployed rednecks who sit around drinking beer in their back gardens and play dress up at the weekends. More pitied than feared these days.

YellowSheep

9/11.....disaster date

Grayson

Christy42 wrote: »

Trump already denies climate change as a plot by the Chinese. How he thinks China is modifying the data coming in from across the world is beyond me but then again he probably hasn't put that much thought into it.

I was watching a trump spokesperson last night. They said that the US should ignore all climate pledges.

namloc1980

Grayson wrote: »

Yeah. If you're in Kentucky there's no point voting for a democrat and the same if you're a republican in California. There's millions and millions of votes that just don't count.

Also the power of the Electoral College depends on where you live. If you're in Wyoming there is a Electoral vote for each 143k people. In New York it's one for every 520k people. So a vote in Wyoming is "worth" nearly four times a New York vote when translated into the Electoral College.

Christy42

Grayson wrote: »

And then we get Pence. A guy who denies climate change and evolution.

Trump already denies climate change as a plot by the Chinese. How he thinks China is modifying the data coming in from across the world is beyond me but then again he probably hasn't put that much thought into it.

darkpagandeath

Lol, Enda already rowing back on what he said about "racist and dangerous."

AnGaelach

wes wrote: »

Ok, am I being grammatically incorrect or something? What sides are there?

I'm being facetious, but it is an actual dispute (like "British Isles" in Ireland). Ukrainians call it Ukraine, pan-Slavs/Russian nationalists call it "The Ukraine".

AnGaelach

wes wrote: »

Are they building a nuclear arsenal? As long as that isn't happening, then its a success, as that was the purpose of the deal.

They wouldn't be building a nuclear arsenal now anyway though, it'd take them years to reach the level of enrichment needed... And the deal only freezes the enrichment they're allowed for 10 years, it doesn't actually mean they have to dial back what they currently were doing.

Chances are, Iran would've seen a middle class revolt against the Theocracy before they reached enrichment capacity.

Right now, Rouhani is in a very unstable position.

Grayson

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Is Trump going to go after Crooked Hillary now as his supporters expect?

apparently last night there were supporters screaming "lock her up".

It's going to be a crazy 2017. Will there be a wall? Will there be mass deportations? Will people be banned from entering the US based on their religion? Will Trump rip up existing trade agreements? Will he repeal Obama care and leave millions without health care?

Hank Scorpio

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Is Trump going to go after Crooked Hillary now as his supporters expect?

Probably not, it would look terrible.

I think she'll get nailed for the foundation corruption eventually by the FBI.

wes

AnGaelach wrote: »

I find it strange that you're calling it "the Crimea" and "the Ukraine"... What side are you on exactly?

Ok, am I being grammatically incorrect or something? What sides are there?

Yamanoto

end of the road wrote: »

all western countries have some sort of system to deal with those illegally coming to the country

Turns out come on in & put your feet up ain't much of a vote winner.

Grayson

Lt Dan wrote: »

Nah, one man , one vote - First past the Post.

(Especially in Irish Presidential Elections)

To be fair there's only two qualifications an Irish President needs. To be smart and nice.