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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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Ted111

MayoForSam wrote: »

That was Conor Cruise O'Brien BTW, not Charlie. But it does sum up what has happened - not quite unprecedented though i.e. Brexit. Le Pen in France up next?

But the people have spoken, life will have to go on.

No. It was Charlie.
Four words appeared in the confused press briefing after states most wanted man, murder 'suspect' Malcolm MacArthur was found staying over at the Attorney General, Patrick Connolly's house.
Cruise O'Brien developed it into a catch phrase to describe what he perceived as a crisis ridden and corrupt regime.

pumpkin4life

signostic wrote: »

What it will mean for Ireland,
return of of thousands of Irish to Ireland who are illegal in the US
reduced investment in Ireland by US companies
J1 visa program abolished
awkward St Paddy's day ahead

anything good come out it for us?

When the immigration problems starts to hit the fan more and more over here and in Europe, we'll have a President who will at the very least, be on our level in terms of protecting Ireland.

That's a big one.

Burial.

NI24 wrote: »

What ridiculous logic. You're assuming they would have voted for Trump despite the fact that they had the chance and didn't? Yeah makes sense.

Tough sh*t if you cannot be arsed to vote. And it's highly likely it wouldn't affect the overall breakdown at all. Deal with it, a tonne of women from all backgrounds voted for Trump. But that doesn't fit your agenda so lets presume every poor little civilian (and ever poor civilian is a woman right?) who was dramatically prevented from voting but the Trump fuelled Illuminati would have voted for Hillary, every last single one of them....feel better now?

AnGaelach

signostic wrote: »

What it will mean for Ireland,
return of of thousands of Irish to Ireland who are illegal in the US
reduced investment in Ireland by US companies
J1 visa program abolished
awkward St Paddy's day ahead

anything good come out it for us?

That isn't true though. If you'd like to read through some previous posts regarding it (they're a fair few pages back), otherwise I'll let BoatMad take this one

FA Hayek

ligerdub wrote: »

The smugness in the political pundits on RTE in the early coverage last night was incredible. They were practically making plans for an early end to proceedings and joking about the early night they were going to have. They had a good old laugh about it. Well they weren't laughing a couple of hours later, it was like a wake in there. When the tide had turned there the comments started to take a more sinister accusatory tone, the usual baseless platitudes. I see the usual social media blaze up when something doesn't go the way of liberal sorts, but that's to be expected, and to be honest make it even better.

All hail President Trump!!

Oh RTE are pathetic alright. The fawn themselves over any Democrat. Impartial they are not.

Hilarious now going to see their smug faces wiped away for a few weeks and months. Reality gave them a kick in the balls.

signostic

What it will mean for Ireland,
return of of thousands of Irish to Ireland who are illegal in the US (50000 - 60000)
reduced investment in Ireland by US companies
J1 visa program abolished
awkward St Paddy's day ahead

anything good come out it for us?

Lt Dan

Deleted User wrote: »

Hillary would have read her victory speech of a teleprompter and would have had a dig at Trump's supporters.. Trump just spoke and talked of co-operation with other countries from his heart. (I didn't catch all of it though). I don't like him (I just despise her) but it was good to see.

I wanted to meet an American friend who I knew would take it badly so I could take his mind of it but he wouldn't.. His English girlfriend is crying and he said he had been as well.

They just didn't see it coming. A week ago, we had a big sane discussion on who might win and they couldn't for the life of them see how it was possible. When I heard it was over, I felt happy Hillary didn't succeed but also felt bad for good people whose world has just stopped making sense.

Crying? Good Grief! Why?

Democracy has systems to prevent Presidents and leaders from acting in whatever way they like.

If a bunch of Irish people (many here saw Trump being President a possibility, for example) are able to see the possibility of him getting elected, solely on the basis of a reasoning that there was enough Americans who are tired of the old ways, how were your pals so blind to this?

NI24

Deleted User wrote: »

42% of women who voted did so.. So it's safe to say 42% of eligible women would have if they turned out.

What ridiculous logic. You're assuming they would have voted for Trump despite the fact that they had the chance and didn't? Yeah makes sense.

[Deleted User]

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

The difference in votes just under the status bars. So hold the phone why didn't the other parties get included in the debates. Would have been a much different result!

I think it's a 15% minimum in polling to get included.. It's a pity that it's such a high bar. By not letting Stein in for example, the debates didn't really touch on the environment at all. Would have been good to have her talking about so the candidates would be forced to have a good public opinion.

Walter H Price

Depp wrote: »

so its completely impossible people saw hillary as corrupt and didnt want that in the white house?

No obviously its because shes a woman and american are all stupid fat sexist racist homophobic bigots hahahahahaha

Nothing to do with the last failed 4 years of a democratic presidency that has left millions disaffected , given rise to racial divisions not seen since the 60's , brought tensions with Russisa back to a Cold war state , funded ISIS and a number of other Islamic extremist rebel groups in the middle east the list goes on

Clinton was as corrupt and two faced as any politician the establishment has offered up for a very very long time. She is still likely to be indicted for the Fraud currently being investigated by the FBI in the Clinton foundation involving donations from forign interests (particularly a number of middle, eastern governments) delighted the american people have stood up and given the finger to Clinton , the DNC and the rest of the political establishment

MayoForSam

BoatMad wrote: »

( which is fundamentally , that no-one needs theirs skills )

Automation in manufacturing i.e. technology is equally or more to blame for job losses in the American Rust Belt than China, but is Trump going to issue an edict forcing employers to shut down machines and hire manual labor from the local trailer park? I don't think so.

um7y1h83ge06nx

This might be a wake-up call for our own politicians, every cloud has a silver lining.

I have been very dissapointed with our current government and I voted #1 for a FG candidate in the last election. They have completely ignored the middle classes with high taxes, interference in free markets (the disastrous first time buyer scheme) and making threats against private property ownership, blaming private sector landlords for the housing crisis.

It may also make more right-wing politics more acceptable in this country creating a strong opposition to the very strong left.

jimgoose

NI24 wrote: »

43% of all eligible voting women voted for Trump huh? I mean, are you for real? And yes, they are sexist. I would know, I'm surrounded by Trump supporters.

Does it make much difference? Aside from illustrating the importance of actually getting up of your arse and exercising your vote (even in a Giant Douche/Turd Sandwich scenario) it's just a point-of-order.

Atlantic Dawn

Very few people laughing at Michael Noonans welcome for Trump now

...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9i1HHTdcXU

iLikeWaffles

Deleted User wrote: »

190,000 votes where? Not sure what you mean.

And yeah, Johnson and Stein took in a good few votes. Mc Mullin in Utah took 20% of the state's vote.

The difference in votes just under the status bars. So hold the phone why didn't the other parties get included in the debates. Would have been a much different result!

Clinton 218 Trump 276
58,676,134 votes 58,758,610 votes

[Deleted User]

NI24 wrote: »

43% of all eligible voting women voted for Trump huh? I mean, are you for real?

42% of women who voted did so.. So it's safe to say 42% of eligible women would have if they turned out.

AnGaelach

Rayne Easy Paste wrote: »

3) Possibility of a catastrophic trade war between the US and China;

This could be good or bad for Ireland. If Trump is going the route of deficit spending to spur growth, it'll mean Americans will probably buy more and more of our stuff. If he's going total protectionist though, it might backfire and we'll be caught with our dicks in our hands.

Rayne Easy Paste wrote: »

4) Zero chance of increased international cooperation to slow climate change, and probably a reversal of the previous, tentative Paris Agreement.

I don't believe so, Trump was in bed with the oil lobby. If you were to promote shale extraction instead of coal use, you'd still meet those carbon goals - you'd actually go beyond the targets you set since shale is a lot cleaner than coal.

He's also probably on the left of the Republican party on most issues, so I don't think he'll be a catastrophic president.

sReq | uTeK

abff wrote: »

First Brexit, now Trump. Another victory for the politics of hate. It's a sad, misguided world we're living in.

I agree, but when you burn so many people consecutively over a large period of time this is the fallout, a magnitude mistake. People are voting with gritted teeth here, they no more endear Trump than I do but they feel a change was necessary. Sadly, its on a scale that could impact us all.

Depp

NI24 wrote: »

Well, seeing as how they didn't see it in either bush sr, bush jr., or bill clinton, then yeah I'd say so.

so because they got away with it it should be ok for her to get away with it aswel? big difference between this election and those is the role the internet/social media has played. played a huge factor in this election and was non existant/basically non existant in all the elections you mentioned.

NI24

Burial. wrote: »

So 43% of women in America are sexist yeah? You just have to laugh at this sh*t :pac:

43% of all eligible voting women voted for Trump huh? I mean, are you for real? And yes, they are sexist. I would know, I'm surrounded by Trump supporters.

BoatMad

It is fine for the university educated working in the tech sectors who have jobs in the new west, but the ordinary grunts who used to get manufacturing or mining jobs have nothing often bar condescending remarks about how they need to upskill to be part of the new economies.

yes and Trump and Brexit are their dying kick , neither of which , will fix their perceived problems ( which is fundamentally , that no-one needs theirs skills )

MayoForSam

valoren wrote: »

Reminds me of Haughey's GUBU remark 'grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre and unprecedented'

That sums it up for me.

That was Conor Cruise O'Brien BTW, not Charlie. But it does sum up what has happened - not quite unprecedented though i.e. Brexit. Le Pen in France up next?

But the people have spoken, life will have to go on.

[Deleted User]

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/#safe=off&q=trump+states+won

190,000 votes !?

Was there other candidates for other parties?

190,000 votes where? Not sure what you mean.

And yeah, Johnson and Stein took in a good few votes. Mc Mullin in Utah took 20% of the state's vote.

BoatMad

jmayo wrote: »

Isn't it about time you changed to your new title Mr President.

I raise you Dell, Facebook, Google, Paypal, etc, etc.
Intel is one of the few multinationals that has money actually really investment in buildings or infrastructure.
The rest is office space.

And yes we know about data centres but they can be run from anywhere.

these companies are here to run their non US business, that cant be carried out from the US. ( including certain legal reasons )

I see no reason to fear in regards FDI

Burial.

Lone Stone wrote: »

Bernie would have wiped the floor with him

But instead he'll be wiping floors for him.

ligerdub

NI24 wrote: »

Pretty pissed off. Sexist ignoramuses voted a buffoon into office.

Proves my point. This garbage doesn't fly!

Burial.

NI24 wrote: »

Pretty pissed off. Sexist ignoramuses voted a buffoon into office.

So 43% of women in America are sexist yeah? You just have to laugh at this sh*t :pac:

NI24

Depp wrote: »

so its completely impossible people saw hillary as corrupt and didnt want that in the white house?

Well, seeing as how they didn't see it in either bush sr, bush jr., or bill clinton, then yeah I'd say so.

jmayo

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Like Brexit. The elites will spit feathers.

There is a slight.... slight chance they will learn from this.

People were tired of the status-quo.

Remember, the fringes do better when the center fails..... And it has failed.

Donny will serve 4 years and may well lose reelection, if he bothers to run.
But both the GOP and Dems need to take stock and start listening to people instead of sneering with contempt.

Political revolution can be a good thing & shouldn't necessarily be feared, whether it's britain, Greece, Spain or the US.

The elites will sneer & mock, but they have been rattled.

This is the exact thing.

A lot of Americans, and indeed Europeans, have been left behind by globalisation.

It is fine for the university educated working in the tech sectors who have jobs in the new west, but the ordinary grunts who used to get manufacturing or mining jobs have nothing often bar condescending remarks about how they need to upskill to be part of the new economies.

Also it is this cohort of people who are also fighting against the cheap labour offered by new immigrants.

The superiority of some of the political class is widespread throughout the western world.
Hell it is even easy to see around here where most of the political discussion has actually moved out of the politics forum because some discussions with uncomfortable and non pc/liberal points were shut down because it was felt the topics or discourse is not up to a certain standard. :rolleyes:

You even have posters here declaring on threads about Brexit how only third level educated people should be allowed vote or how referendums should not be used to decide important issues.

The media, the political establishment and political elite (and Trump is in no way part of the political elite - he is part of the business elite or business establishment) have taken a bloody nose just like what happened in the UK.
A lot of people are pi**ed with how the world is going and continously sneering at them will only make them even more entrenched.

Yes incumbent senators, republicans, etc were returned but the big one went to an outsider who really shouldn't have been within an asses roar of the job.

I know some who have predicted Trumps win and are also predicting Le Pen to win in France.

Lone Stone

Bernie would have wiped the floor with him