ash23 wrote: » The second link, with the SAVI report breaks it down into Irish figures which is where I took the second quote from so it's Irish stats as far as I can tell. It's 42% of Irish women experience sexual assault or abuse and 28% of Irish men.
Wibbs wrote: » 1) I'm sorry, but personal anecdote, while of course is personally hurtful and all that may come with that, does not an actual statistic make. Not even close. We go the personal route and we risk reactive mob rule based on eff all. 2) Four in ten, where does that come from? Is it yet another perennial twist on the one in four/five/six(these things rarely agree) stat peddled to the general public since the US college campus Koss study and I use the word "study" extremely loosely? That study, taken as gospel in the Victim Church movement, is so flimsy and full of demonstrable holes it would pass decent muster as a teabag. And yes I can back that up with actual statistics. In any halfway civilised liberal democracy NO crime, no matter how trivial, never mind getting within an asses roar of sexual assault and/or rape has a victim rate even close to 20 odd per cent(well… maybe speeding). And only in the most addled mind, would someone suggest any crime comes within a rate of nearly fifty per cent. You're actually claiming half of all women have been sexually assaulted? You'd want to be a German woman in Russian controlled Berlin post summer 1945 to get near that kinda stat. I call utter nonsense, nay utter bullshít on that statistic. If one was to believe that, then the obvious conclusion would be is that nearly half of all men are guilty of sexual assault/rape. Unless scummy bastards and rapists travel around a lot. Again I call hysterical bollocks of the highest quality. We're through the looking glass here people.
The Specialist wrote: » The real percentage for male victims is likely to be a lot higher in reality as a lot won't speak out.
cloudatlas wrote: She's encouraging women to come forward and speak about their experiences, get help and start the legal process. There is a poster at my local university from the Security services that states if you have been sexually assaulted come forward and report it we will believe you. This is from the security services not from a group of feminists. The legal process will take care of the rest.
ash23 wrote: » Why I described him as normal? Because he seemed to be. He had a job, friends and family. He was a sound lad until that incident and I'd known him two years. I never for a second thought I was in any danger or at risk. When I woke up and pushed him off he was confused at my reaction. His reckoning was we slept together before, we were making out, you went to bed.....of course you want this. He didn't understand that consent needs to be ongoing. I wouldn't think he's the only man that would assume it was a given that we would have sex that night seeing as we usually ended up having sex when we met up on a night out. If I had gone to the guards I doubt there was one person we knew who would have thought him capable of it and I'm sure the majority would have thought I was over reacting or forgot that I gave consent, was drunk and making out with him so of course he was confused etc. It's easy to think of a rapist as someone evil but I'd say for a lot of people who find out someone they know or love has been accused of sexual assault, they find it hard to believe that person is capable of it.
Funnyonion79 wrote: » Totally agree with this. I've been sexually assaulted several times in my life and all the instances took place with "normal" guys who I was either friends with or had been with in the past and there was alcohol involved each time as well. That's why I never even realised I had even been assaulted until recently, because I automatically blamed myself for being drunk. I would've never felt threatened by any of these guys or but ultimately I never consented to what they did and they just didn't seem to think that they were doing anything wrong.
ligerdub wrote: » Have I read that right? The report about rape was undertaken by a rape awareness (I don't want to offend by incorrect terminology) organisation? Are they really in the business of making rape a rare/low percentage occurrence? How did they find the sample group? I can think of quite a few reasons why that research is severely compromised.
ash23 wrote: » We talk about drink driving, about insurance fraud or benefit fraud. I see those topics discussed and read about them and I don't take it personally or assume that it means everyone drinks and drives or claims fraudulently etc. I take it that a sector of society do and as it's not possible to catch them all there's an onus on society to teach and talk and discuss and stand up against it or report it. I don't understand why the topic is always met with such resistance.
ash23 wrote: Possibly. Even 1% is too high for either gender but I was just showing where the four in ten figure comes from as I was asked to do. It was the figure also reported on the programme which is where I first heard it and seems to come from that study.
The Specialist wrote: The real percentage for male victims is likely to be a lot higher in reality as a lot won't speak out.
ash23 wrote: Why are people getting angry at me for quoting text from a GOVERNMENT BODY. The same stat is also in a report (McGee et al) who are members of the royal college of surgeons.
Wibbs wrote: » Really? You don't see how this might be met with "such resistance"? When you suggest that nearly half of women have been sexually assaulted? Which unless rapists get around, means that nearly half of all men are sexual assaulters? As I pointed out NO crime comes close to those levels. Find one that does. I dare ya, I double dare ya. Drink driving/insurance fraud/benefit fraud wouldn't get close to 40%.
ligerdub wrote: » The implications of that policy and the problems within are fairly evident.
maudgonner wrote: » As a woman, based on my experience and that of women I'm close enough to talk about things like this with (which is very few), I think the 40% rate is entirely believable. That's meaningless in real terms, I know. But that's my perspective.
professore wrote: » If it is 4/10 why do women NEVER talk about it? I have some very close female friends who I literally can talk about anything with and I've never heard them talking about it. Those same women would call out anyone's poor behaviour towards them. Maybe they assume I'm a rapist too and think of it as a water is wet thing?
ash23 wrote: » I've told one person about that night. I just wanted to forget it and now I don't think about it unless something like this comes up. I'm not ashamed and I would talk about it if I was asked but it's not something I'd discuss over a night out with friends or even with family.[/quote I've told my husband and a few close friends about one of the incidences but we have never discussed it since. It makes people feel uncomfortable. Sad to say that but it does.
ash23 wrote: » And I'm not saying nearly half of all men are rapists or sexually abusing women.
It's quite possible that one man affects a number of women.
And possible that a number of men aren't even aware that a woman considers that he sexually assaulted her.
Saying it ain't so doesn't make it not so.
Bambi wrote: if in 1 in 4 women are being raped than we need to pour more money into rape awareness! CHA-CHING! Bigger budget, more staff, more responsibility and prestige for the management, bigger salaries and another step up the career ladder is taken
ash23 wrote: » If four out of ten women are experiencing sexual assault then how can we say there isn't a problem? If only a fraction of those women report it then how can we say there isn't a problem? If a tiny fraction of the reported cases go to court, again, how can we ignore the problem? And of the tiny % that do get to court and are convicted then get a lenient sentence, isn't that also a problem?
Sweetemotion wrote: » As a man I've been woke up a couple of times from partners and one night stands recieving oral sex. Was I sexually assaulted and should those women be spending years in prison?
Funnyonion79 wrote: » ash23 wrote: » I've told one person about that night. I just wanted to forget it and now I don't think about it unless something like this comes up. I'm not ashamed and I would talk about it if I was asked but it's not something I'd discuss over a night out with friends or even with family.[/quote I've told my husband and a few close friends about one of the incidences but we have never discussed it since. It makes people feel uncomfortable. Sad to say that but it does. Makes sense. I am going to ask them have they or their friends experienced it. My wife was attempted to be assaulted in her teens by an older man but as she is a judo black belt it didn't end well for him. This wasn't in Ireland.
Wibbs wrote: » Hang on a cotton picking second.. How in god's name does one not realise one has been assaulted? In any manner? It also begs the question - and heaven forfend I suggest some personal responsibility here - if I had been beaten up "several times" when I was drunk, yes I would have a major issue with those who beat me up and they would be directly responsible for the beatings, but I would think to myself "hang on, maybe I shouldn't get so drunk that being beaten up becomes a "thing" in my life".
cloudatlas wrote: No, the security services have a duty of care to the students and it is well within their rights to encourage the reporting of incidents confidentially so that they can escalate them to the authorities. Their policy is condoned and supported by the University officially.
ligerdub wrote: » I know it's supported. It doesn't make it correct. Accusers are believed without question. So if the accuser is lying the accused is ****ed. That's ridiculous.
Zulu wrote: » Personally I love "rape day" when we all go out and celebrate our culture. ...And the "rape exhibit" in the art gallery is well worth a visit.
