Mrwhite1970 wrote: » I love Logans Run! I got to be honest not looking forward to sitting around staff room talking **** . I must find a place I can do some work:eek: A lot of the staff are Outer party material at best:p
maude6868 wrote: » We're not allowed in, locked out tomorrow and I've never done S&S. Hope the opt out money will be refunded now that the 'irrevocable' contract I signed which disallowed me from ever again opting in has been torn up by the Dept.
solerina wrote: » Are many schools doing the whole 'bring in sixth years so we have students in' cop out ?? There are two near me who are doing just that, one of them is only bringing in sixth years until Lunchtime so they can get paid.....we are still definately locked out.
km79 wrote: » do we know if the talks are still ongoing ?????? if they are then there is a last minute deal brewing
Eintrachtrob wrote: » Do you know a good solicitor or employment barrister? I'd be onto them in a flash if I were in your circumstances (which I could have been, instead I opted IN to S&S)
Eintrachtrob wrote: » RTE have stated that the talks have concluded for today with no breakthrough. Consequently whatever plans your BoM have in place APPEAR to be what is going to happen tomorrow.
pandoraj09 wrote: » Well there's nothing in the news saying they've stopped the talks...God i wish they'd report back..
judeboy101 wrote: » There are DROVES of young teachers in your school!! You do realise that alot of teachers post '11 would not consider themselves 'young' either then or now. That's a little bit ageist tbh and next you'll be suggesting some sort of Logans run style removal of 'older teachers'.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » I think you are dealing in bull. Apologies but you are. There is no evidence of this bar your word. Kieran Christie stated on national TV. We are going on 7 days of strike. What exactly has TUI done? Did a TUI member lose a day of pay yet??? Btw-if you are in a voluntary Secondary school then it doesnt matter what union you are in or none-your CID is still after 4 years. You might have teachers in dual schools opting for TUI but its nearly impossible to say whether they might have done that anyway. This will be resolved one way or another by DEC-if spineless young teachers decide to join the TUI-it aint going to make a shred of difference to their status and the TUI are welcome to them.
TheDriver wrote: » Can I add a thought on the whole BOM part and the JMB. Wearing my Principal's hat, its an awful minefield and I find the management bodies are (trying to) advising on the best way to manage a school. BOMs can have members who aren't well informed or just not interested and days like tomorrow are a difficult situation to deal with. On one hand, we are union members who want our union to win. On the other hand, we are responsible if we can't look after our kids and the directive means we can't ask people to make sure everyone stays safe at lunch tomorrow. Now thats not to say the JMB may not be doing the wisest thing but the amount of emails and correspondence from ACSS, ETBi and JMB over the last 3 weeks and surveys from the DESk is also frustrating and sickening. Its not an ideal situation and of course a BOM should be looking after their staff and students but with such uncertainty, there are many modes of responsibility to be looked at when or if it came to opening the gates tomorrow. I don't know if the course of action by many BOMs is the best, or if some were thinking they are helping by closing (pseudo supporting the cause etc) but its not as simple as what some posters here are stating.
stanley1980 wrote: » Yep there were a lot or retirements in my school (including people who got early retirement packages on far superior terms than younger people will get!) I'm in my mid 30's and refer to people a few years younger than me as 'young teachers'. The silence from people my age and older on all this has been positively deafening. Why didn't unions pull out of deals back then which affected new entrants so negatively? The truth of the matter is/was that the majority of people in both unions are older, settled teachers with secure futures and they didn't give s**t about their younger members. Or maybe I've somehow forgotten the strikes at the time in protest...wait a minute no I haven't 'cause there were none! Why didn't older teachers take a small pay cut to ensure younger colleagues were looked after and wouldn't take the brunt? Same as above. You might not like what I'm saying but that doesn't make it wrong. As stated, have a look around your next ASTI meeting- younger people will be noticeable by their absence. ASTI AND to a slightly lesser extent TUI have serious lack of credibility. The fact that there remains to be 2 secondary unions really highlights where their priorities are i.e. self-preservation/ maintaining the status quo for the fortunate ones.
Moody_mona wrote: » Appreciate the different perspective, the honesty and the difficulty in this post. I don't know what to think of my BOM though. We are open to staff tomorrow, but closed Tuesday. Half and half staff union wise, senior management are TUI. We've been put in a position Where asti have to spend the day in school tomorrow not being paid, but TUI are to stay at home Tuesday and they don't have to address the picket. I feel disappointed and let down, and that I'm being punished for being in the union that I am.
km79 wrote: » If your school is open tomorrow you are paid ?
Gebgbegb wrote: » What if you don't teach 6th yrs? Then it's just going in doing prep work... Fair enough... But how can one ASTI school allow all staff in for a few students... Then another ASTI school lock the gates even though teachers are presenting themselves... What if it's an ASTI school.. Then a 6th yr teacher is out sick, who supervises?
Gebgbegb wrote: » No matter what union you are in you have to take the rough with the smooth. Hence why they have bargaining rights, if the opposing negotiator thought that a unions members would jump ship at the first sign of hardship then it's not good. Can anyone give some heard facts as to the number of teachers ' leaving the ASTI in droves to join the TUI '. How do people know this? Are they sitting in the TUI offices with a list of ASTI members and crossing names off. What I do think is happening is that more teachers are joining a union (either one!).
Moody_mona wrote: » No, only paid if students are in. We're closed yo students, open to staff.
km79 wrote: » Who confirmedthis ?
Inspector Coptoor wrote: » I'm the same Age as you give or take. I'm the Steward in my school and regularly attend branch meetings. Your "points" are very unfair on "older", "settled" teachers who all took pay cuts, USC and pension levy since 2010. No teacher voted for any of this. Are you aware that striking wasn't an option when a union is inside a the collective agreements of the CPA, HRA and LRA? THATS why there was no strike until now. You really need to get that chip off your shoulder. Any young teacher joining the TUI is taking the soup so to speak. They are being extremely myopic and opting to take some more money now instead of fighting the corner for better money for the duration of their careers. I can see why they would do it but I don't agree with it. This is my 11th year teaching. I got my CID after year 9. I know what it's like to have no security of tenure. I can't understand how you can slag off the credibility of the ASTI, the ONLY union doing any fighting and forgoing and pay by striking. As soon as the Gardai got a bit of cash, the other unions like vultures come circling. They want all the benefits without doing any of the grunt work.
