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Are American voters really stupid?

VladamirP

With a few days to go in the presidential race for the USA, I'm thinking to myself are yankee's really that thick to be cattle herded into a 2 vote system (I know theres more canditates,but!), a country with 300+ million people, and they get to choose between donald and hillary, 2 azzholes.

I don't know if it's intentional or not but US politics has turned upside down, it was always corrupt, but now it's taken a stranger twist, CNN V's Fox, all establishment establishment's but are they doing a Freud on the dumb people of America, which is a good proportion of the non natives.

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VladamirP wrote: »

Danny healy rae is actually a better president to the 2 nominees

Ah, no. He's really not.
For all her flaws Clinton is at least not a climate-change denier. That alone makes her a much better politician and smarter human being than that gombeen Healy-Rae.

Ulysses Gaze

VladamirP wrote: »

With a few days to go in the presidential race for the USA, I'm thinking to myself are yankee's really that thick to be cattle herded into a 2 vote system (I know theres more canditates,but!), a country with 300+ million people, and they get to choose between donald and hillary, 2 azzholes.

I don't know if it's intentional or not but US politics has turned upside down, it was always corrupt, but now it's taken a stranger twist, CNN V's Fox, all establishment establishment's but are they doing a Freud on the dumb people of America, which is a good proportion of the non natives.

The Irish elected Ahern as Taoiseach 3 times in a row.

We have no right to judge anyone elses stupidity.

BorneTobyWilde

Denmark gets it right.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The Irish elected Ahern as Taoiseach 3 times in a row.

We have no right to judge anyone elses stupidity.

Ahern is just a corrupt/****e politician.They get elected all the time across the world.

He's miles ahead of the 2 gob****es in the American presidential race.

Joshua J

Since it's Hillarys turn in the "Big Chair" for services rendered the real challenge was finding someone more obnoxious than her to guarantee her victory.

DEFTLEFTHAND

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

That did happen.

The GOP hates Trump & he hates the GOP.

He's a 3rd candidate who just happened to hijack the GOPs nomination race.... And after Tuesday there won't be hide nor hair of him around anything to do with the Republicans ever again.

Well the GOP deserve him, the Party of Lincoln and Reagan, two of the all time greats nominate a big loud mouth New York gobsh1te as their runner.

He didn't hijack anything, registered GOP members voted for him.

The Rape of Lucretia

No more than anywhere else. Its the inherent problem with democracy - even the stupid can vote. It would be better for them if they didnt, and the smarter in society made the political decisions, but a lot of people dont like that, particularly the stupid, who refer to have a badly run country than not have their say in running it badly.

ligerdub

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Well the GOP deserve him, the Party of Lincoln and Reagan, two of the all time greats nominate a big loud mouth New York gobsh1te as their runner.

He didn't hijack anything, registered GOP members voted for him.

There is one of them on the other side, only she isn't actually from New York, unlike Donald.

Reagan? Not sure about that one Ted!

rossie1977

For over 20 years the us media has created a environment of fear and hate..one where even non political people are not thinking straight

In my lifetime I fully expect an extreme right candidate as president of the us, France and UK pm, for Putin to still to in charge in Russia 30 years from now and for china to be worlds biggest superpower/economy and moderate voice of reason through all of this

pickarooney

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Denmark gets it right.

That Birgitte Nyborg was a great PM.

[Deleted User]

Pugzilla wrote: »

Danny Healy-Rae

there are a number of similarities actually:

Clarity of Purpose
Looking after "your own"
Reflecting the (often unspoken) views of his voters
Direct but also Simple language

When you're not American, it's sometimes hard to understand what they're thinking electing such a person but really, all the common elements are in place there. Jeremy Corbyn while a totally different personality displays similar characteristics.

valoren

Pugzilla wrote: »

Danny Healy-Rae

But he's not the Taoiseach. Yet. I'll be worried then

bnt

I have a friend in the USA: he's not American and isn't entitled to vote on Tuesday. He's not an idiot - highly intelligent and qualified, working in a very technical field. Yet he's told me that he would probably vote for Trump if he could.

The way I see it, there is a lot wrong with the USA, economically, and Clinton doesn't seem to get that - not really. She represents "business as usual" or "Washington politics", with all its corruption and money-grubbing. Trump has positioned himself as a "man of the people", despite being absolutely nothing of the sort. He was born in to money, remember - he is the polar opposite of the "self-made man" he claims to be.

Look at healthcare: prices are soaring while what you get for the money is getting worse e.g. high "deductibles" (excesses) can mean that an emergency can bankrupt you even if you apparently have insurance. Is "Obamacare" to blame? Possibly, but everyone forgets that the "Affordable Care Act" was not what Obama wanted. He wanted at least a "public option" (with the government as an insurer), or ideally a "single payer" system more like Germany's. But neither of those were going to get past a hostile Republican majority Congress, whose members are taking campaign contributions from health industry lobbyists.

I've heard it said that Obama didn't push the "public option" hard enough. The problem with that idea is that the White House knows, well in advance, exactly how each person in Congress will vote on any part of a bill. If there's any doubt, they can just ask - and they do. The President is not going to submit a bill to Congress if s/he knows in advance that it will fail. So the Affordable Care Act, as submitted to Congress, had been watered down to make it acceptable to Congress, which means keeping the insurance companies in the money.

Now use the same concept to examine other parts of the USA economy, and ask yourself: what do you imagine a President Trump could do about any of them? He's as sure as heck not going to fix healthcare. Yes, I've seen this, don't see any of that happening - because it's up to Congress, not him.

gw80

Am I being totally paranoid in thinking that this whole election has been staged from the beginning,
Bare with me here,
There are certain people who want Clinton in power, for whatever reasons, that got together at a table to discuss how to do it, knowing full well that she probably would not stand a chance against someone genuine with her shady background, so devised a plan to put up a candidate who would much worse and make her look like an angel compared to him, with thrump completely in the loop and on board
But it has backfired with trumps ego and he started thinking he could actually be president.

Or am i reaching here,
I can't be the only one thinking this

ligerdub

I look forward to next week. We will not have to hear media outlets ram down our throats what a bad man Donald Trump is. It has been a relentless juggernaut of heinous attacks towards one person.

It has been disgusting and ubiquitous.

demanufactured

degsie wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDaLMNq9PW4

That's has to be the stupidest ****e ever....for a stupid muppet too

dark crystal

ligerdub wrote: »

I look forward to next week. We will not have to hear media outlets ram down our throats what a bad man Donald Trump is. It has been a relentless juggernaut of heinous attacks towards one person.

It has been disgusting and ubiquitous.

Many of his own remarks have been disgusting though, haven't they? He really hasn't done himself any favours during this campaign, so blaming the media is slightly too easy and disingenuous methinks.

Sam Kade

Pugzilla wrote: »

Danny Healy-Rae

Bertie Ahern

valoren

If Trump wins then it will be the biggest fu to Washington politics ever. But then the ramifications of having voted for a narcissistic bluffer, a bull****ting used car salesman will hit home.

We will witness the opposite of the optimism that met Obama's election in 2008, the sheer dread many feel of having President Trump will be soothed by the fact that he will like Obama before him, get nothing done. Or to be more precise, nothing like they both want/wanted to get done. Congress rules the roost in America. And Trump will hit Brick wall after Brick wall for 4 years until the 'man on the street' he seduced might finally understand that and call him on his hot air. As if after 8 years of one of the most intelligent, assured Presidents getting frustrated and fed up didn't force that point home already.

rossie1977

ligerdub wrote: »

I look forward to next week. We will not have to hear media outlets ram down our throats what a bad man Donald Trump is. It has been a relentless juggernaut of heinous attacks towards one person.

It has been disgusting and ubiquitous.

The media have given Trump endless hours of free advertising over the past two years. When Sanders and Clinton were giving speeches during the primaries the networks including the so called anti trump networks such as cnn would show a split screen with an empty podium with Trumps name on it..yeah really disgusting

Point out exactly the heinous attacks by the media. Reporting back what Trump said is not an example of being heinous

ligerdub

rossie1977 wrote: »

The media have given trump endless hours of free advertising over the past two years. When sanders and Clinton were giving speeches during the primaries the networks including the so called anti trump networks such as cnn would show an empty podium with trumps name on it..yeah really disgusting

Point out exactly the heinous attacks by the media. Reporting back what trump said is not an example of being heinous

Twisting his words and taking some things out of context and repeating them in an almost obsessional manner. I'm also quite fond of the voxpops they seem to insist on aswell, and their leading questions to the average punter on the street and taking their favourites.

I'm not debating on this though, usual red flags from the anti-Donald camp.

Discodog

bnt wrote: »

I have a friend in the USA: he's not American and isn't entitled to vote on Tuesday. He's not an idiot -highly intellig ent and qualified, working in a very technical field. Yet he's told me that he would probably vote for Trump if he could.

The way I see it, there is a lot wrong with the USA, economically, and Clinton doesn't seem to get that - not really. She represents "business as usual" or "Washington politics", with all its corruption and money-grubbing. Trump has positioned himself as a "man of the people", despite being absolutely nothing of the sort. He was born in to money, remember - he is the polar opposite of the "self-made man" he claims to be.

Look at healthcare: prices are soaring while what you get for the money is getting worse e.g. high "deductibles" (excesses) can mean that an emergency can bankrupt you even if you apparently have insurance. Is "Obamacare" to blame? Possibly, but everyone forgets that the "Affordable Care Act" was not what Obama wanted. He wanted at least a "public option" (with the government as an insurer), or ideally a "single payer" system more like Germany's. But neither of those were going to get past a hostile Republican majority Congress, whose members are taking campaign contributions from health industry lobbyists.

I've heard it said that Obama didn't push the "public option" hard enough. The problem with that idea is that the White House knows, well in advance, exactly how each person in Congress will vote on any part of a bill. If there's any doubt, they can just ask - and they do. The President is not going to submit a bill to Congress if s/he knows in advance that it will fail. So the Affordable Care Act, as submitted to Congress, had been watered down to make it acceptable to Congress, which means keeping the insurance companies in the money.

Now use the same concept to examine other parts of the USA economy, and ask yourself: what do you imagine a President Trump could do about any of them? He's as sure as heck not going to fix healthcare. Yes, I've seen this, don't see any of that happening - because it's up to Congress, not him.

I will never understand how, in a million years, anyone with half a brain could vote Trump. If Clinton really was the devil as some seriously suggest, she would still be a better option.

Michael Moore was right when he said that, if American wake up to Trump as president, it will be like the morning after brexit. Then, as the dust clears, people will start to say **** what have we just done.

Brexit & Trump are both fu's to the "establishment". People will feel good until they see the consequences.

VladamirP

Another murder/suicide connected to Clinton.

FBI AGENT SUSPECTED IN HILLARY EMAIL LEAKS FOUND DEAD IN APPARENT MURDER-SUICIDE
http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/

gosplan

VladamirP wrote: »

Another murder/suicide connected to Clinton.

FBI AGENT SUSPECTED IN HILLARY EMAIL LEAKS FOUND DEAD IN APPARENT MURDER-SUICIDE
http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/

How is that connected to Clinton?

diograis

Their electoral process with college votes and all that craic means that the popular vote doesn't necessarily win someone the presidency. If they had a fair electoral process, this election wouldn't be decided by uneducated white men in Pennsylvania or Ohio.

It's frightening that nearly half the country see fit to elect someone like that, I mean the 3 presidential debates were so ridiculous they were almost beyond satire. Clinton was running circles around Trump, it's almost as if he's trolling.

diograis

gosplan wrote: »

How is that connected to Clinton?

Hilary for prison #lockherup

(never mind Trump's numerous fraud lawsuits, molestation accusations, bankruptcies, Trump university, the Trump charity which bought a massive painting of himself, his comments on Mexicans, women, muslims, disabled people, etc etc etc etc etc)

threeball

diograis wrote: »

Their electoral process with college votes and all that craic means that the popular vote doesn't necessarily win someone the presidency. If they had a fair electoral process, this election wouldn't be decided by uneducated white men in Pennsylvania or Ohio.

It's frightening that nearly half the country see fit to elect someone like that, I mean the 3 presidential debates were so ridiculous they were almost beyond satire. Clinton was running circles around Trump, it's almost as if he's trolling.

Is it anymore stupid than almost putting Fianna Fáil back into power almost the minute the recession they engineered was coming towards an end? The Americans don't have a monopoly on idiots.

Donald Trump

gosplan wrote: »

How is that connected to Clinton?

It's well known that she's the Keith Flinnt of the US

Oh, and in relation to the original question whether American voters are stupid enough - I think so and I feckin hope so!

ligerdub

diograis wrote: »

If they had a fair electoral process, this election wouldn't be decided by uneducated white men in Pennsylvania or Ohio.

Hilarious deduction, as if they had no say in the matter! I'd also love to see what the reaction would be if the "uneducated" black woman vote was an over the top move!

dresden8

Why would anyone vote for the status quo when they status quo is fncking you over.

The great and the good are determined to drive down incomes for the proles and keep all the money to themselves.

The "establishment" have forgotten the bread part of "bread and circuses".

Oldest political lesson right there.