Louise O Neill on rape culture.

It's just another SJW conflation buzz word. I had cheese on toast for breakfast. Therefore we have a cheese on toast culture. It doesn't matter one bit if everybody else in the history of mankind hates cheese on toast, the fact I ate one is enough to mean we have a cheese on toast culture.
So literally everything any human has ever done we can start talking about the "problem with the -something- culture". It's just a new way of arranging old words and pretending you can smear campaign.

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Talk about the dumbing down of a word which used to represent one of the most violent assaults on a person.

We've reached a stage now where people think a tweet is literally (yes, literally) an assault. Try The Guardian opinion pieces for example.

Poor Uncle Tom

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed, though the plan behind using such a loaded term is precisely to engender paranoia, even mild panic. Akin to shouting "Shark!" on a beach. The politic behind such things wants to raise a mild panic to slide in their dafter philosophies underneath.

Sounds like the plot to a particularly badly written episode of Criminal Minds, tbh. But I've no doubt you are right but I think all concerned at this level are just the puppets not the masters.

This country is surprisingly quite high - 38th - with regards to rape, but well below the African countries that have literally epidemic levels.

Having said that, how reliable are the statistics? It is difficult to believe that countries like Uganda and Sierra Leone are so far below rates in neighbouring countries. Especially SL which is one dangerous kip.

appfry

Theres a rape culture in County Louth.

Oh wait. Thats as random as saying there is a rape culture in Ireland.

conorhal

mzungu wrote: »

I did find it interesting that the UCD case did not get a mention in the documentary. In the interests of making an unbiased documentary (I know, I know, asking for too much), why was there not a need to mention why rape culture hysteria incorrectly labels an entire faculty as perverts when nobody (not even the original author of the college newspaper article) actually saw this Facebook group. That is one of the dangers of the rape culture myth, it ends up targeting people who have nothing to do with the act itself. A bit like the lynchmob mentality of the Salem witch trials given a modern makeover with a touch of reefer madness thrown in there too.

Questioning rape culture hysteria is rapidly becoming a new form of secular heresy for which you can get burned at the stake, a lot of the current so called 'equality' legislation that is being pushed through the Dail smacks of of an updated SJW version of the redundant blasphemy laws we're trying to ditch.

'Rape Culture' as a phrase reminds me of the phrase 'misogyny'. Two VERY strong in their actual meaning but in recent times have been diluted by deranged feminists in the media. And sadly, I do see a lot of women being influenced by it.

They used to use the word 'sexism' or 'sexist' but they have replaced it with 'misogyny' as if it has the same meaning. Sexism is a trait of a misogynist. Particularly in the last 2 years I am hearing/reading that word a lot. Misogyny always meant the hatred of women. But basically nowadays an unwanted compliment or disagreeing with a feminist labels you as being one. Only if you are a man of course.

To me, there are very few actual misogynists in the world. Those who are have mental issues.

Louis O'Neill and Una Mullally are a disgrace to women, the media and grossly offensive to men.

Labelling yourself a feminist does not should not mean you can get away with misandry.

lawlolawl

osmiumartist wrote: »

We've reached a stage now where people think a tweet is literally (yes, literally) an assault. Try The Guardian opinion pieces for example.

Look at the situation with the Trump pussy grabbing audio.

The utter rage at a silly thing a man said years ago is bewildering to me.

We've gotten that delicate as a society that people actually get hurt by words that aren't even vaguely targeted at them.

Saw somewhere as well men in US are more likely to be raped than women. Although that is based mainly on the high rate of rape in prisons. Several hundred thousand a year apparently!

No wonder the crime rate is falling!

Bonniedog wrote: »

Saw somewhere as well men in US are more likely to be raped than women. Although that is based mainly on the high rate of rape in prisons. Several hundred thousand a year apparently!

No wonder the crime rate is falling!

Yep, I read that too. More men are raped in the US than women. However, because it is men doing the rape its a stat dismissed by feminists.

Dr Jakub

Deleted User wrote: »

It is remarkable, and a little depressing, to see how many limit rape culture to the specific act of rape and simply refuse to accept that it is the language of normalisation of rape, of sex and violence, of objectification and degradation.

And asking for people to refrain from such language or behaviour is not insulting to the actual victims of rape. The victims of rape I know would be upset by some crude frat boy type jokes involving sex and violence, upset by being cornered by some fellow pawing them, upset by references to the objectification of women.

So if I look at a girl and say to my friends 'Jesus lads she's some ride' I'm a cultural rapist?

lawlolawl

Dr Jakub wrote: »

So if I look at a girl and say to my friends 'Jesus lads she's some ride' I'm a cultural rapist?

Something, something, something MALE GAZE!

How dare you notice that she is good looking without getting express written permission to do so from her first. You utter man-bastard, you practically ravaged her right there in the middle of the street.

Dr Jakub wrote: »

So if I look at a girl and say to my friends 'Jesus lads she's some ride' I'm a cultural rapist?

I was never a wolf whistler or a chat up kinda bloke. However, after a couple pints (and way out of hearing distance) I have often muttered to a friend, "wow, the legs on your one" or more recently, "you can actually see her ass". Does that make me part of this rape culture too or am I merely a healthy heterosexual guy distracted by a female displaying what people find attractive?

conorhal

Dr Jakub wrote: »

So if I look at a girl and say to my friends 'Jesus lads she's some ride' I'm a cultural rapist?

Probably, they seem intent on criminalizing being a sexual being.

Dr Jakub

lawlolawl wrote: »

Something, something, something MALE GAZE!

How dare you notice that she is good looking without getting express written permission to do so from her first. You utter man-bastard, you practically ravaged her right there in the middle of the street.

Truly I am sub human. But it's not too late, I've signed up for a consent class. A blue haired anti-sex lesbian feminist will instruct me on how to be a real man.

py2006 wrote: »

I was never a wolf whistler or a chat up kinda bloke. However, after a couple pints (and way out of hearing distance) I have often muttered to a friend, "wow, the legs on your one" or more recently, "you can actually see her ass". Does that make me part of this rape culture too or am I merely a healthy heterosexual guy distracted by a female displaying what people find attractive?

You're up there with Stalin and Hitler if you ask me

Bonniedog wrote: »

You're up there with Stalin and Hitler if you ask me

Well, I have achieved all I can...

[Deleted User]

ash23 wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd call it rape culture here but there is definitely a need for talk about consent and what is and is not acceptable behaviour when dealing with people you are sexually interested in.

I'm sure I'm not the only woman who has had to physically push a man away from me. Nor the only one to be grabbed on the arse or boob by a randomer in a pub/club. It was a common enough occurrence when I was mid teens up to my early twenties. I've felt threatened when walking home late by groups of men catcalling. I've had a man wait for me after work and try to convince me that I really needed to get into his car. An offer of a lift is fine but a "no thank you" should be accepted as opposed to him driving along side the path until I actually threatened to call the guards. Then I was called a f**king b*tch.
I've had men flash their penis at me in the pub "for a laugh". Dick pics sent unsolicited and unwanted.
I've had older men leer at me and make sexual comments about me. I worked in pubs when younger so probably was more likely to encounter that behaviour but this stuff happened both in work and out.

My 13 year old daughter was at a teen disco where she was grabbed by the arse a couple of times. One poor girl there was left traumatised when a group of boys lifted her dress and flashed her underwear to the entire crowd.

I am a woman. And I only have a daughter. So my experience is from a woman's perspective. I am aware that women can behave in a similar way so I'm not suggesting that it's just men who are the problem.
But I know I've raised my child to know she should never lay a hand on a person without their consent. She should never try to intimidate or humiliate someone to show off and I think that is lacking somewhat in society as there is still a definite prevalence of that behaviour in younger people imo.

No you didn't experience any of that. The is no rape culture in Ireland. Or flashing ones penis is not part of rape culture. Or something about lots of actual rape in Africa so what you experienced is fine and it apparently upsets people to suggest that what you experienced is classic rape culture. It's ironic that the strongest language on this thread comes from those who deny that stuff exists in Ireland, or say because it is not universal it means it can't even be talked about and seem to get quite angry about it.

Incidentally, I've seen exactly what you've experienced, and female friends of mine have gone through the same, and worse.

py2006 wrote: »

Yep, I read that too. More men are raped in the US than women. However, because it is men doing the rape its a stat dismissed by feminists.

Same story with murder victims. The vast majority are men murdered by men, but apparently we have a "culture" of violence towards women.

Deleted User wrote: »

It's ironic that the strongest language on this thread comes from those who deny that stuff exists in Ireland, or say because it is not universal it means it can't even be talked about and seem to get quite angry about it.

Nah, most of the bluster is from those who take a few anecdotes and pretend it's the norm across the country, which is what it would have to be to be defined as a "culture". There would also have to be a "rape" involved, which none of these anecdotes have.
Rape? No.
Culture? No.
That's pretty much it.

osmiumartist wrote: »

Same story with murder victims. The vast majority are men murdered by men, but apparently we have a "culture" of violence towards women.

Actually, and I could be wrong here, I think the prison rape situation in the US is actually were the term, 'Rape Culture' comes from.

Dr Jakub

osmiumartist wrote: »

Same story with murder victims. The vast majority are men murdered by men, but apparently we have a "culture" of violence towards women.

We have a murder culture in this country. However you don't have to commit murder to be part of the problem. All men are murderers.

ash23

osmiumartist wrote: »

Nah, most of the bluster is from those who take a few anecdotes and pretend it's the norm across the country, which is what it would have to be to be defined as a "culture". There would also have to be a "rape" involved, which none of these anecdotes have.
Rape? No.
Culture? No.
That's pretty much it.

To be fair what I've described is pretty common in varying degrees. The intimidating, unwanted groping and relentless pursuing or not taking no as an answer is fairly common on a night out for women.
Last night I was out with two female friends and we ended up leaving a pub because some guy was pestering us despite us telling him we were all in relationships.
The time before that I was with my sisters and one had her bum grabbed. In fact it's more rare that nothing happens. Less and less as we get older and therefore I assume the mentality of grabbing and harassing women fades as these men mature but hearing my daughter discuss it is horrible
What do I tell her? That it's lad culture? Locker room talk/action.
Or do I teach her that it's unacceptable and disrespectful and she shouldn't tolerate it. But then she is called a man hating feminist etc so what do we do about this behaviour?

Unearthly

First time I've ever heard of rape culture and its definition.

Has me thinking though. So say if I'm out and about, and a woman I find attractive touches me on arm in a flirting manner, does the fact that I find her attractive count as consent and therefore I wasn't culturally raped?

Or the opposite. Some woman who I don't fancy touches me on arm. Was i culturally raped?

Or am I the cultural rapist? They may have just been friendly with no intention of flirting and I culturally raped them by even thinking of something more.

Actually I know the Answer, it's all bollocks, feck off with your 'rape culture'

ligerdub

Deleted User wrote: »

No you didn't experience any of that. The is no rape culture in Ireland. Or flashing ones penis is not part of rape culture. Or something about lots of actual rape in Africa so what you experienced is fine and it apparently upsets people to suggest that what you experienced is classic rape culture. It's ironic that the strongest language on this thread comes from those who deny that stuff exists in Ireland, or say because it is not universal it means it can't even be talked about and seem to get quite angry about it.

Incidentally, I've seen exactly what you've experienced, and female friends of mine have gone through the same, and worse.

Yet you offered up some old comments...I.e. words, by an English TV presenter, in England, to support your arguments.