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The Garda Strike

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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda-strike-now-more-likely-as-gra-rejects-offer-1.2849933

Didn't see a thread on this but if I was a criminal i'd be preparing for Christmas.

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Galwayguy35

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Garda should be well payed. No excuses.

I came from Lithuania where police getting payed very very badly. It ended up in complete corruption. Everything is bought and you get away with everything, just depends how big your pockets are.
So what their are not getting in wages, they making it up in bribes. Traffic police will be catching you and looking for smallest thing to fine you and demand bribe, not to keep up the safety of the road.

Pau the garda ffs, I don't want to live in that nightmare again.

Be prepared to pay more tax so, because that's where the money has to come from.

We're still borrowing more than we take in, an inconvenient truth the unions don't want to mention.

maryishere

tayto lover wrote: »

Unions are very important.

And there are many jobs gone abroad from Ireland because of unions. Few in the private sector join them. Many American multinationals loathe them and do not have them.

Little CuChulainn

maryishere wrote: »

And there are many jobs gone abroad from Ireland because of unions. Few in the private sector join them. Many American multinationals loathe them and do not have them.

Have you seen the conditions and rights of workers in America? It's disgraceful what employers can do over there.

tayto lover

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Be prepared to pay more tax so, because that's where the money has to come from.

We're still borrowing more than we take in, an inconvenient truth the unions don't want to mention.

I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax to pay our frontline services like nurses, firemen and gardai. We want the best people in those services.

Dyr

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Garda should be well payed. No excuses.
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Gardai are well payed

Boggy Turf

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We're still borrowing more than we take in, an inconvenient truth the unions don't want to mention.

Yes, we have been essentially borrowing to pay their wages for years while kicking the pension liability can down the road.

maryishere

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Garda should be well payed. No excuses.

I came from Lithuania where police getting payed very very badly.

Bet they do not get €67,808 per year on average in Lithuania?
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/dan-obrien/dan-obrien-facts-about-how-much-garda-are-really-paid-must-be-central-in-talks-35184317.html

Quote: On retirement after 30 years the garda is entitled to a tax-free lump sum of €79,233, and an annual pension of €26,411.
Ms Daly said the value of this retirement lump sum was €1.12m, of which the State will have contributed €1m.
Quote:
But the garda will only have contributed €110,000, or 10pc, to their pension even after the imposition of the pensions levy, according to research carried out by actuary Fiona Daly of Rubicon Investment Consulting.

Widdershins

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Garda should be well payed. No excuses.

I came from Lithuania where police getting payed very very badly. It ended up in complete corruption. Everything is bought and you get away with everything, just depends how big your pockets are.
So what their are not getting in wages, they making it up in bribes. Traffic police will be catching you and looking for smallest thing to fine you and demand bribe, not to keep up the safety of the road.

Pau the garda ffs, I don't want to live in that nightmare again.

There's no question of not paying them and they are paid fairly well. Better than the other public sector workers according to another poster. If we have to pay them more again just so they don't start extorting money out of us and expecting bribes there's something very wrong with them and very wrong with us if we can be frightened into it. If they have a fair claim to pay restoration that is fair enough but we should never think about bowing down to the in case they go totally corrupt!
More accountability, and protection for whistleblowers is what's needed in your country, not just more money.

tayto lover

maryishere wrote: »

And there are many jobs gone abroad from Ireland because of unions. Few in the private sector join them. Many American multinationals loathe them and do not have them.

Few join them because their employers do not allow it. Do you know why?

Little CuChulainn

maryishere wrote: »

Bet they do not get €67,808 per year on average?
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/dan-obrien/dan-obrien-facts-about-how-much-garda-are-really-paid-must-be-central-in-talks-35184317.html

Quote: On retirement after 30 years the garda is entitled to a tax-free lump sum of €79,233, and an annual pension of €26,411.
Ms Daly said the value of this retirement lump sum was €1.12m, of which the State will have contributed €1m.
Quote:
But the garda will only have contributed €110,000, or 10pc, to their pension even after the imposition of the pensions levy, according to research carried out by actuary Fiona Daly of Rubicon Investment Consulting.

all of those figures have been rubbished already on the thread.

tayto lover

maryishere wrote: »

Bet they do not get €67,808 per year on average?
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/dan-obrien/dan-obrien-facts-about-how-much-garda-are-really-paid-must-be-central-in-talks-35184317.html

Quote: On retirement after 30 years the garda is entitled to a tax-free lump sum of €79,233, and an annual pension of €26,411.
Ms Daly said the value of this retirement lump sum was €1.12m, of which the State will have contributed €1m.
Quote:
But the garda will only have contributed €110,000, or 10pc, to their pension even after the imposition of the pensions levy, according to research carried out by actuary Fiona Daly of Rubicon Investment Consulting.

You're in the wrong job mary. Re-educate yourself and aim higher.

Boggy Turf

Widdershins wrote: »

A rare occurance-a garda being gunned down

23 Gardaí have been murdered since 1922. 1 every 4 years on average.
9 of those were during the 1920s. So 1 every 6 years on average since 1930.

Donal55

maryishere wrote: »

And there are many jobs gone abroad from Ireland because of unions. Few in the private sector join them. Many American multinationals loathe them and do not have them.

And there are many jobs gone from Ireland who were non union, a la Dell.
And their former employees weren't long about running to Siptu looking for advice and negotiation on redundancy payouts.

wpd

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Garda should be well payed. No excuses.

I came from Lithuania where police getting payed very very badly. It ended up in complete corruption. Everything is bought and you get away with everything, just depends how big your pockets are.
So what their are not getting in wages, they making it up in bribes. Traffic police will be catching you and looking for smallest thing to fine you and demand bribe, not to keep up the safety of the road.

Pau the garda ffs, I don't want to live in that nightmare again.

The Garda are well paid in the main. the starting salary is low however they are being selective telling you what allowances they get. they get 34 holidays! they can retire after 30 years with a large lump sum and approx 33k per year pension.

This does not stop there being issues with the policing in this country and the selective application of it.

Personally i would like to see more Garda on the streets and a major culture change in the organisation as well as an outside commissioner

Also there are plenty of garda taking actions and winning compensation in the courts for being injured doing their job so why should this
be factored into their pay if they are taking legal action to be compensated. plenty suffer nothing more than paper cuts during their whole career

tayto lover

Boggy Turf wrote: »

23 Gardaí have been murdered since 1922. 1 every 4 years on average.
9 of those were during the 1920s. So 1 every 6 years on average since 1930.

We were told earlier and given a link and the number is 87.

Donal55

Boggy Turf wrote: »

23 Gardaí have been murdered since 1922. 1 every 4 years.
9 of those were during the 1920s.

I'd say more Irish soldiers have died in the same period. Should they go on strike also? And their pay and conditions are worse than a guards.

maryishere

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

all of those figures have been rubbished already on the thread.

No they have not, because they are from the governments own C.S.O.

Quote: The Central Statistics Office (CSO), an independent state body whose impartiality and professionalism nobody calls into question, publishes figures every three months on pay levels across the economy. It provides average hourly and weekly figures. Eight broad categories of public servants are included - from health and education workers to civil servants and gardaí.

The latest average earnings for this year and the figures for the same period in 2008, just before the economy crashed, are illustrated in the accompanying charts.
On an weekly basis, gardaí are the best paid public sector workers by a distance. They earned on average €1,304 per week in the second quarter of this year (or €67,808 on an annual, 52-week basis). That compares with an average of €906 across the entire public sector and €645 across the private sector. It is worth underscoring the point: average Garda weekly pay is currently almost 50pc higher than across the rest of the public sector. It is 102pc higher than the average in the private sector.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/dan-obrien/dan-obrien-facts-about-how-much-garda-are-really-paid-must-be-central-in-talks-35184317.html

Widdershins

Boggy Turf wrote: »

23 Gardaí have been murdered since 1922. 1 every 4 years on average.
9 of those were during the 1920s. So 1 every 6 years on average since 1930.

That's very sad, but I was making a comparison. It's not without risk. It's not the most risky.

Boggy Turf

Donal55 wrote: »

I'd say more Irish soldiers have died in the same period. Should they go on strike also? And their pay and conditions are worse than a guards.

I am not defending the Gardaí. I think they are a disgrace.
Some people would have you think they live in constant fear of getting shot.
I would imagine they are much more worried about being proven corrupt.

Donal55

maryishere wrote: »

No they have not, because they are from the governments own C.S.O.

Quote: The Central Statistics Office (CSO), an independent state body whose impartiality and professionalism nobody calls into question, publishes figures every three months on pay levels across the economy. It provides average hourly and weekly figures. Eight broad categories of public servants are included - from health and education workers to civil servants and gardaí.

The latest average earnings for this year and the figures for the same period in 2008, just before the economy crashed, are illustrated in the accompanying charts.
On an weekly basis, gardaí are the best paid public sector workers by a distance. They earned on average €1,304 per week in the second quarter of this year (or €67,808 on an annual, 52-week basis). That compares with an average of €906 across the entire public sector and €645 across the private sector. It is worth underscoring the point: average Garda weekly pay is currently almost 50pc higher than across the rest of the public sector. It is 102pc higher than the average in the private sector.

The same CSO which said we had 25% growth?

suicide_circus

let's just borrow more money and pile it on the national debt that our grandkids will still be paying (with interest) when we're all long dead. little bastards.

tayto lover

New pay offer made tonight. Some nice little extras offered. Is it enough though?
I wonder if they'll take it?

drunkmonkey

tayto lover wrote: »

New pay offer made tonight. Some nice little extras offered. Is it enough though?
I wonder if they'll take it?

Hope not, hoping for a good long lock in tonight...

Sgt. Bilko 09

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If you live in a rural area it's no difference if they strike for a week, you'd never see a Guard anyway.

If there was fun sign avail able that could change but that doesn't look like it's happening. I suppose Dubliners take that for granted...

tayto lover

lada_driver wrote: »

23 murdered since 1922 amongst tens of thousands

i like those odds

87 died serving the state. I found a link -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Garda%C3%AD_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

Boggy Turf

tayto lover wrote: »

New pay offer made tonight. Some nice little extras offered. Is it enough though?
I wonder if they'll take it?

I don't think it matters anymore, their reputation is damaged, even further.

maryishere

Donal55 wrote: »

And there are many jobs gone from Ireland who were non union, a la Dell.

Exactly. Union jobs or non union jobs are all vulnerable in the private sector, and hundreds of thousands lost their jobs or had to emigrate in the past 9 years.

Security and pension are huge perks for Gardai, worth tens of thousands per year.

Amanda.ie

tayto lover wrote: »

New pay offer made tonight. Some nice little extras offered. Is it enough though?
I wonder if they'll take it?

Probably not. It will have to be substantial and they will have to sign up to LR

Boggy Turf

tayto lover wrote: »

87 died serving the state. I found a link -
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-police-earn-right-to-strike-in-landmark-decision-by-european-body

Different to being killed in the line of duty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Garda%C3%AD_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

And different again to being murdered (1 every 6 years since 1930 on average)

Donal55

tayto lover wrote: »

New pay offer made tonight. Some nice little extras offered. Is it enough though?
I wonder if they'll take it?

I look forward to ICTU putting the boot in for everyone else when this is resolved.