Why are men dropping out of society? - mod note in 1st post

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midnight city

Permabear wrote: »

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Have you noticed anyone in authority or the media raising this as an issue. I haven't. Its almost celebrated that girls are outperforming boys so much.

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intheclouds

Rory28 wrote: »

if the taxpayer is paying then yes. the courses available for grants should be of benefit to society not just because they want to spend 4 years putting off growing up so they can "study" liberal arts or something.

Seriously?

You think arts and humanities are of no benefit to society?

Thankfully youre not in charge of deciding these things.

midnight city wrote: »

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My eng degree was 4 years hard work.

Anyways, the original point was that men were losing out as "breadwinners" because costs of living were high and wages low.
My point was that costs of living are lower, compared to the amount of conveniences we now have and the wages are only lower because it's generally accepted that a degree is the min standard to get a reasonably "professional" job.

There's plenty of threads around to discuss the merits of an Arts degree.

Permabear wrote: »

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I wonder what the gender split is like in apprenticeships and FAS courses. From my own experience they're heavily biased towards men. Would than not explain the 7% difference?

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Rory28

intheclouds wrote: »

And youre qualified to judge the quality of other peoples academic interests?

if the taxpayer is paying then yes. the courses available for grants should be of benefit to society not just because they want to spend 4 years putting off growing up so they can "study" liberal arts or something.

intheclouds

silverharp wrote: »

it depends on the quality, as a taxpayer I dont really want to pay for someone whose thesis was Twilight fans and associated associated Youtube comments. get thee to a McDonalds and do something useful :pac:

And youre qualified to judge the quality of other peoples academic interests?

midnight city

eeguy wrote: »

The issue is that the goal posts have moved.

People complain that those with degrees are starting off on crappy wages. Yet degrees are the new leaving cert as minimum qualifications go.
If you can't go to college you're almost resigned to living in a min wage job or the dole

3 year hons degree should be standard from now on. Make them work harder during those 3 years. Less of the 15 hour weeks nonsense. 4 years is too much time and can act as a hindrance to those who may want to change career.

Rory28

Wanderer78 wrote: »

access to education is extremely important in reducing inequality so much so, i believe third level should be free for all

I would rather they priced the courses differently. Actual courses with employment prospects can stay the same price or drop it back down to pre recession prices but the likes of those arts courses or medieval literature should not cost the same as an engineering course. one is a job the other is a hobby and takes grant money away from the real courses.

silverharp

Wanderer78 wrote: »

access to education is extremely important in reducing inequality so much so, i believe third level should be free for all

it depends on the quality, as a taxpayer I dont really want to pay for someone whose thesis was Twilight fans and associated associated Youtube comments. get thee to a McDonalds and do something useful :pac:

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eeguy wrote: »

The issue is that the goal posts have moved.

People complain that those with degrees are starting off on crappy wages. Yet degrees are the new leaving cert as minimum qualifications go.
If you can't go to college you're almost resigned to living in a min wage job or the dole

access to education is extremely important in reducing inequality so much so, i believe third level should be free for all

Wanderer78 wrote: »

some good points there but we have a growing inequality problem not just here in ireland but in many countries across the globe, america being one of the worst. neoliberal and free market economic policies are failing us badly.

The issue is that the goal posts have moved.

People complain that those with degrees are starting off on crappy wages. Yet degrees are the new leaving cert as minimum qualifications go.
If you can't go to college you're almost resigned to living in a min wage job or the dole

Permabear wrote: »

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its a difficult argument but our current policies are driving up the cost of living and or exposing us all particularly the most vulnerable in society. theres tons of evidence that these kind of policies are failing globally now. i think we need to implement some sort of middle ground, i.e. part protectionism and part free market, the only thing is, im not sure this has been implemented successfully anywhere.

Mr Arrior

Ya can't blame women for our problems. I wish I would get more attention from women but I know I'm not confident enough to get the desired attention. One of the biggest problems men face is mental health and ya can't blame women for that.

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Permabear wrote: »

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some good points there but we have a growing inequality problem not just here in ireland but in many countries across the globe, america being one of the worst. neoliberal and free market economic policies are failing us badly. its time to move on from these ideologies or we could eventually end up in a serious war again.

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Wanderer78 wrote: »

We could still have our mod cons if we had more control of our monetary and financial systems

Shoulda coulda woulda.

Anyone who lives in rural Ireland will tell you that nearly all jobs have moved to the cities and large towns. Rural factories and employers have been put out of business by recession and so too all the services that depended on them.

There's huge migration to Dublin and commuter towns, along with Cork and Galway, and so, property and rent have increased.

You can blame whoever you want, but that's the reality right now and it's not looking to change for the next 5 years.

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Also, things in the past weren't rosy. If you wanted to go back to the "good ol days" then get rid of all your modern comforts. Think of the money you'd save with no Internet, phone bill, reduced ESB and gas bill etc.

We could still have our mod cons if we had more control of our monetary and financial systems

Potatoeman

psinno wrote: »

Clearly they need to work on their telepathy skills.

The usual response is that they don't want to seem desperate. It's not a great idea to expect a guy to approach a group though. It's seen a having to entertain everyone rather than talking the the woman you are interested in.