kumate_champ07 wrote: » actually because people pay big money to hunt them the game keepers can invest in breeding programs to increase the populations I dont listen to his hunting podcasts but Joe is only pro 'ethical' hunting. to my first point, the only other exception is when endangered animals are poached because villages are literally starving, the poachers are at risk of being shot dead when doing this but they take the risk
wonderfullife wrote: » Yeah i'm just ethically opposed to it. I really hope they could find other investment sources for breeding programs than allowing rich tourists to come butcher them. I just tweeted Joe sarcastically saying i'd be impressed if they hunted a wild lion bare-handed. Mind you, i'm a hypocrite in my views on this subject. I love chicken. I should probably be opposed to hunting/culling all animals if i'm being consistent. Something just feels off to me that you can have less than 400 of a species alive and people can just pay 50 grand and they let you shoot one of them through the eyeball with a crossbow or rifle.
Gamebred wrote: » Here we go the McGoat thread about to turn into a hunting debate wait till the hippys come along.
jcd5971 wrote: » Seriously chickens??? Any chance this thread could maybe get even slightly back on track. I'm thinking alvarez is underestimating mcgregor, he just assumes that conor will gas out and it's easy pickings from there, seems silly to me. Then again maybe he is playing us all and is preparing perfectly who knows.
kumate_champ07 wrote: » interesting fact, 1 of the guys in Conors entourage owns a chicken farm (eggs)
wonderfullife wrote: » Conor did have a cardio dip in his last 2 fights around the exact same stage. 2 incidents barely constitutes a trend, let alone evidence of a cardio problem. Moreover, both fights were at 170lbs - plain as day this is not his weight category and it's a function of basic physics that his cardio will be much better at lower weights. Not just physics, he fundamentally has to do more cardio to lean his body out to make the lower weights. My personal opinion is that his cardio dips at the end of every single round (including the first). His explosive style of fighting and the volume he throws is exceptional. I believe he's in the top 10 all-time for output/strikes thrown. That's very difficult to maintain for 5 minutes. He tends to start fast in every round and fade slightly towards the end of the round. I don't think any amount of cardio can fix this without a style adjustment. It's testament to his conditioning that he can use the minute to recover in between rounds. He's clearly an extremely fit fella.
Gamebred wrote: » He doesnt have a cardio issue,anyone who beats Diaz over 5 rounds doesnt have one simple as that, He punched himself out in the first fight no man alive would've sustained that output winging punches for 8 minutes straight,sure it looks like he gassed by rd 3 of the 2nd Diaz fight but round 4 he won easily enough so the cardio is there and I expect it to be even better now,although a grappling match will tire you more than striking so himself and Eddie could get tired if its played out grappling.
newbbieb wrote: » But i think the heat and humidity played a factor in the Vegas fights where he gassed.His Holloway fight was in Boston i believe which like NY has a more suitable temperature for Conor,and he showed no cardio issues for a 3 round fight with plenty of action.
wonderfullife wrote: » If you're sad enough and insomniac enough (cough = me) watch every one of his fights that made it past the first round. His output at the end of Round 1 significantly drops from his output in the first 4 minutes. This holds true in the Holloway and Diaz fights where he got to Round 3. Obviously it's comparing apples with oranges because Mendes held him down for large parts of the fight, and Conor held Max down for periods, and Nate Diaz 2 was at 170lbs. I agree he will be very fit this time around and cardio even better. I just feel he can't keep throwing the volume he does and not experience small dips at the end of each round.
wonderfullife wrote: » If you listen to the corner audio of the fight, Owen Roddy says "that hurt him" about that teep.
wonderfullife wrote: » You want Conor to abandon his karate-based, striking attacks to become a muay-thai specialist.... purely because Cowboy landed a knee that winded Eddie? Jesus wept. Conor winded Nate in the rematch with a TEEP!!! a TEEP! Nate buckled over and took 4 steps backwards. From a traditional karate stance.
Lukker- wrote: » I think Eddie will go for singles rather than doubles, that front leg is just there for the taking with Conor's wide stance.
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Gamebred wrote: » I'd be more worried about Eddie using his elbows on the fence tbh,Conor will over hook try turn him onto the fence and break the clinch back and get it back to the centre of the cage,as most know though Eddie will scoop the double a lot better than Nate could.
wonderfullife wrote: » If you're sad enough and insomniac enough (cough = me) watch every one of his fights that made it past the first round. His output at the end of Round 1 significantly drops from his output in the first 4 minutes. This holds true in the Holloway and Diaz fights where he got to Round 3.
Muahahaha wrote: » Seen this point posted a few times over the Diaz loss. But I dont get it- surely the MGM is fully air conditioned as is the house he lives in Vegas and the cars he travels in too. So you get a blast of heat walking from house to car and car to gym or venue. Its hardly going to effect cardio that much? (Im not expert on cardio conditioning tbh but it seems unlikely to me)
kumate_champ07 wrote: » theres a track cycling event called the 'elimination race' where you sprint every 500m(2 laps), last across the line is eliminated, this goes on until 1 remains. the race starts with 20+ people. you are using fast twitch muscle fibers but theres also not alot of recovery time, you cant really slow down much between sprints, the pace is 50-60km/h for 10km if you make it to the last few my point is its possible to adapt to allow short burst of high power while being conditioned to recover more efficiently to go again without tiring
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Nate's corner reacted similarly too. One of them in a monotone voice said 'Fcuk. Fcuk. That hurt him a little bit" on witnessing it. Was the only point in the whole fight his corner expressed concern in fact. I think but for that kick, the way Nate was pressing and landing, and especially considering the round that just preceded it... Conor may very well have went on to lose the fight.
Mellor wrote: » I don't specifically remember that kick. But a teep is a muay thai technique, not a karate technique. As you probably know. Not saying he will be throwing those knees like cowboy, I just think it's a weird technique to focus on in terms of muay thai vrs karate base. Remember that arcing elbows KO that Travis Brown finished Gonzaga with. Conor won in the exact same fashion against an opponent a few years previous. If Eddie doesn't land the TD clean, dropping for a double against the cage is a risky move against a taller dynamic striker. In McGregor Diaz II, his output increased in Rd2, and peaked in round 4. Noteworthy imo. Rounds 3 and 5 were low.
wonderfullife wrote: » I think the big difference wasn't so much the temperature and humidity but more the period of acclimatising. They went out 8 weeks in advance for the rematch. They went out 2 weeks in advance for the first loss. You're dealing with many factors when it comes to Vegas. Obviously heat/humidity when walking around are small factors. The elevation above sea level is 600 feet higher than Dublin too. These are all small factors. But i definitely think it's advisable to go out early to any hot climate.
Muahahaha wrote: » Im as insomniac as you tonight Wonder, just cant sleep I dunno. Vegas being 600 feet above Dublin would mean nothing as Dublin is at sea level. Wicklow and Vegas would share a similar altitude. Altitude doesnt come into it till you are at 8,000 feet and above. I climbed to 21,000 feet in Nepal a few years back over the course of 18 days. Had about 50% oxygen available to my lungs at the top of the mountain and although breathing wasnt comfortable the human body acclimitises to it to adjust. On the heat I do agree that 2 weeks is a little late to leave an adjustment in temperature & humidity. I think most Irish people who go to a very hot country on a 2 week holiday feel the heat a lot but most will say that at the end of the two weeks they had gotten used to it. And lets not forget that max temperatures in Vegas in March (when the first Diaz fight took place) are a high of 21 degrees with a low of 12 at night. So not too unlike a very good summers day in Ireland. I just cant see how the March temps were a contributor to the Diaz loss, I would put it more down to Conor being so used to finishing opponents in under 10 minutes. When that didnt happen with Nate he had no more left to give. But after the second fight all that had changed, he looked as fresh as a daisy considering he was just out of a 25 minute war. And he won that war in August when outdoor temperatures would have been as high as almost 40 degrees.
wonderfullife wrote: » I love when Mellor gets online i just think of the sun in Australia while it's p1ssing it down here :pac:
I think you're mentioning the Steve O' Keefe fight where he ended up unconscious while dropping for a double and Conor cracked him with multiple unanswered elbows.
Yeah sorry i didn't mean to start a karate v muay thai debate. My point, which i made a balls of, is using an example of knees from Cowboy isn't very helpful from Conors perspective. Cowboy stands orthodox and is far taller. Conor requires a lot more explosive energy to land a similar knee. Why waste that energy when a teep can also wind your opponent. I just don't see knees in the game plan in open-Octagon space.
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Ush1 wrote: » Front kicks(teeps) are used in karate extensively.
