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S2S Cycleway - northside

mrcheez

According to http://www.clontarf.ie/news/s2s-cycleway-information-meeting works must begin before the summer as otherwise it'll be shelved for another year.

So by my reckoning we should start to see some builders in the area in the next month or so.

Anyone got an update on whether this is starting this year?

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Veloce150

The bike path is raised up away from the road so cannot be used for parking on.

That's very close to the road, at night, cyclists heading outbound will be be dazzled by oncoming car headlamps to their left & vice versa.

mrcheez

cdaly_ wrote: »

I hope they put in anti-car kerbs or it will end up being a St Annes carpark...

How do you mean? The bike path is raised up away from the road so cannot be used for parking on.

Even with the asphalt layer, it's still too high to drive up onto, plus the width of the road means that any parking on it will obstruct traffic.

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cdaly_

I hope they put in anti-car kerbs or it will end up being a St Annes carpark...

Seanmk1

The final surface will be asphalt. They have it about halfway done.

They've been working late at night all week, but I don't know if it has been 24 hours.

mrcheez

magicbastarder wrote: »

is that the final road surface? i.e. is it still concrete?

The cycle lane actually looks pretty small from that angle. I'll record it when I cycle on it next (assuming someone has knocked down the barrier again)

It's approx 3-4 average footpaths wide.

The road surface is still being worked on but I think the cycle surface and footpath is finished.

Seanmk1

magicbastarder

is that the final road surface? i.e. is it still concrete?

Seanmk1

Here you go

mrcheez

monument wrote: »

Maybe it's for all of the finishing touches to be done, but they told me February: http://irishcycle.com/2016/09/19/missing-link-on-northside-s2s-dublin-bay-cycle-route-due-to-be-finished-in-february-2017/

The guys in 360 Cycles plus some local councillor leaflets said it was due to be finished in Oct hence the road closures, but perhaps that is just without the finishing touches. To me it still seems very ambitious to get it done in Oct unless they plan on working 24 hours.

Chuchote wrote: »

Photo, please?

My vid camera battery died before I got a chance

Perhaps someone else is heading that way today?

Chuchote

mrcheez wrote: »

So I had a quick spin on the newly laid (unopened) section opposite St Anne's Park last night and I'm well impressed with the more-than-ample width given to the bike lane.

You could easily get 4 (5?) flat bar bikes riding side-by-side along the stretch.

Flashy aluminium street lights too ... very classy

I doubt they're going to continue the same bike lane width all the way down to Wooden Bridge though? Also I would be very surprised if they managed to actually complete it all in October as planned (I reckon at least another 2 months).

Photo, please?

monument

mrcheez wrote: »

So I had a quick spin on the newly laid (unopened) section opposite St Anne's Park last night and I'm well impressed with the more-than-ample width given to the bike lane.

You could easily get 4 (5?) flat bar bikes riding side-by-side along the stretch.

Flashy aluminium street lights too ... very classy

I doubt they're going to continue the same bike lane width all the way down to Wooden Bridge though? Also I would be very surprised if they managed to actually complete it all in October as planned (I reckon at least another 2 months).

Maybe it's for all of the finishing touches to be done, but they told me February: http://irishcycle.com/2016/09/19/missing-link-on-northside-s2s-dublin-bay-cycle-route-due-to-be-finished-in-february-2017/

mrcheez

So I had a quick spin on the newly laid (unopened) section opposite St Anne's Park last night and I'm well impressed with the more-than-ample width given to the bike lane.

You could easily get 4 (5?) flat bar bikes riding side-by-side along the stretch.

Flashy aluminium street lights too ... very classy

I doubt they're going to continue the same bike lane width all the way down to Wooden Bridge though? Also I would be very surprised if they managed to actually complete it all in October as planned (I reckon at least another 2 months).

cdaly_

odyssey06 wrote: »

Strange, the birds have been doing fine for 50 years without a screen... And couldn't the screen be horizontal?
Does the EIS say anything about the impact of projected sea levels on bird habitats?

There's been a wall along the road edge for as long as I've been passing that way. I presume that has provided the screen thus far.

odyssey06

buffalo wrote: »

I never realised Clontarf was on the Atlantic...

Well, technically, the Irish Sea is an arm of the Atlantic Ocean but that's me being clever after the fact... Ah, I was trying to make a more general point that the concept of a scenic drive is established in Ireland as a tourism booster ...

buffalo

odyssey06 wrote: »

(2) What's the point of encouraging the Wild Atlantic Way and Achill Atlantic drive?

I never realised Clontarf was on the Atlantic...

Mercian Pro

odyssey06 wrote: »

Strange, the birds have been doing fine for 50 years without a screen... And couldn't the screen be horizontal?
Does the EIS say anything about the impact of projected sea levels on bird habitats?

Feel free to read all 482 pages of it - Raam has posted a link to it on the previous page.

odyssey06

Mercian Pro wrote: »

From the 2009 EIS:
"The entire promenade will have an opaque screen of 90 cm height to break the outline of users (walking or cyclists) and hide (most) dogs from the view of birds on the flats below."
Now you know why it's not glass;)

Strange, the birds have been doing fine for 50 years without a screen... And couldn't the screen be horizontal?
Does the EIS say anything about the impact of projected sea levels on bird habitats?

Mercian Pro

From the 2009 EIS:
"The entire promenade will have an opaque screen of 90 cm height to break the outline of users (walking or cyclists) and hide (most) dogs from the view of birds on the flats below."

Now you know why it's not glass;)

odyssey06

mrcheez wrote: »

Wouldn't that be a target for the kids that smash bus shelters?

I'm assuming that flood defence glass will be made of tougher stuff than the bus shelter one... which seems to be a racket for whoever has the contract with Dublin Bus to replace the glass.

I think the glass could have been a feasible solution to the particular stretch that was already done ... but now it becomes important for the rest of the line. The technology here has moved on since DCC's cursory investigations in 2011.

traprunner

I think the glass walls should be erected and then the property tax in the area increased 4 or 5 fold to pay for it and the upkeep. Also, an additional tax on the sale of property in Clontarf to pay for future flood defences would be great too.

mrcheez

lennymc wrote: »

^^^ those glass flood defences appear to be mounted on a wall (that to me, looks about the same height as the wall in clontarf).

Just saying.

Wouldn't that be a target for the kids that smash bus shelters?

Leroy42

lennymc got in before me.

So they have actually made the flood defences even higher over there, using glass to increase the height. In Clontarf they are saying that the height of the wall itself is sufficient for now and many years to come.

lennymc

^^^ those glass flood defences appear to be mounted on a wall (that to me, looks about the same height as the wall in clontarf).

Just saying.

odyssey06

Wells Next to Sea, use of glass flood defences... I would not consider it a fanciful solution, more expensive perhaps but then so are property tax and commercial rates in Clontarf versus average Dublin rates.
http://www.floodcontrolinternational.com/CASE-STUDIES/case-study-wells.html

If the sightlines of people in motor vehicles should not be considered:
(1) Their sightline shouldn't be included in planning documents stating that there will be minimal impact on ALL sightlines
(2) What's the point of encouraging the Wild Atlantic Way and Achill Atlantic drive?

But I'm not trying to make this into a car v cyclist scenario. This is another round in the Clontarf flood defences battle, this time it's the sightline of motor vehicles; next time it'll either be the sightline of cyclists, or else both cyclists & pedestrians will be isolated and hidden from view of the road. Nearby Fairview Park is already a no-go area after dark, we don't want Clontarf Promenade to turn into another one.

Leroy42

odyssey06 wrote: »

I suppose with everything we know of DCC, it was silly to expect Dublin to have flood defences of the same standard as such world famous locations as Wells Next to Sea, Norfolk, England.

I don't see any glass walls on their flood defences?

OK, 'silly' is the wrong word. Fanciful is probably better. What you have is people sitting in metal vehicles, driving on tarmac roads complaining about a concrete wall. A concrete wall that if they got out and walked would cause no problem at all.

But instead they want to have a glass wall put up. Anyone with a shower door will know that glass is very hard to keep clean. Water, salt, debries from the water. Bird sh1t, algae etc. So, as the letter points out, on top of the additional money required to buy and install the wall, it would then require even more money to maintain.

mathie

Leroy42 wrote: »

The residents seem to be complaining because flooding hasn't occurred in that particular area. They are of course conveniently forgetting that building extra flood defences along anywhere on the stretch will have a knock on effect on other parts and completely failing to take into account the almost certain (I leave the 'almost' there for anyone still not convinced) sea levels rising in the future which will necessitate forward planning.

As the response itself points out, forward planning isn't exactly what DCC (or any CC for that matter) are noted for so in this aspect they seem to have taken the view to better be safe than sorry.

I think they put the whole glass wall arguement to bed for the silly notion that it is.

Why is it a "silly notion"?

odyssey06

Leroy42 wrote: »

I think they put the whole glass wall arguement to bed for the silly notion that it is.

I suppose with everything we know of DCC, it was silly to expect Dublin to have flood defences of the same standard as such world famous locations as Wells Next to Sea, Norfolk, England.

Leroy42

The residents seem to be complaining because flooding hasn't occurred in that particular area. They are of course conveniently forgetting that building extra flood defences along anywhere on the stretch will have a knock on effect on other parts and completely failing to take into account the almost certain (I leave the 'almost' there for anyone still not convinced) sea levels rising in the future which will necessitate forward planning.

As the response itself points out, forward planning isn't exactly what DCC (or any CC for that matter) are noted for so in this aspect they seem to have taken the view to better be safe than sorry.

I think they put the whole glass wall arguement to bed for the silly notion that it is.

buffalo

Leroy42 wrote: »

Pretty succinct and thought out.

As far as I can see, the time line has been this:
1 flooding along the coastline, residents complain
2 DCC starts building flood defences, residents complain
I'm betting next is:
3 see step 1

Squeaksoutloud

The Part 8 for this project allows works over winter but just not in the estuary / nature reserve area. They are allowed continue up on the road with services footpaths etc. I think they were to build a wall further down near Bay restaurant but that wont be commencing until April I believe due to the restrictions.